Bought/Thought November 26th, 2008

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Final week of the month, and the biggest for me, easily; also easily the best, so the four titles I was most interested in writing about:

Captain America #44

This new arc is a lot quieter than the mega-arc that preceded it; it's a bit reminiscent of the readjustment in Brubaker's Daredevil after the first big story ended, although I liked "The Devil Takes A Ride" a lot less than this, which is still quite good. Bucky and Natasha (I wonder when we'll get more on Sharon and Sam, who have been absent from the solicits lately) are on the case of whatever Batroc stole last issue, which is apparently something the UN wants to keep secret; and it's related to a mystical-looking villain (who looks a lot like Phantom Stranger, actually) from the past. Luke Ross continues to do a great job on art, while Brubaker's writing is his usual low-key proficiency. Good, solid stuff. And Batroc is a surprisingly credible foe now, unlike his usual goofiness.

Daredevil #113

"Lady Bullseye"'s third issue brings Daredevil and the title villain face to face for the first time; as debut fights go, it's a very good one. Brubaker dedicates a good space of pages to it, and, as with Captain America #33, he can plot a great blow-by-blow fight scene. LB has been a big success so far as a new character; Brubaker does a good job showing how her method of operation mixes Bullseye and the Hand (I'd be interested to know how they ended up recruiting her, as she doesn't seem the type, really). Matt's personal life continues to be a mess; I'll be interested to see if Brubaker is really going to take Milla out of his life permanently (knowing Matt's luck, she'll get better and come back just when he's decided to move on with Dakota). And White Tiger II appears, and gets the "Murdock treatment" in record time.

Incredible Hercules #123

Oh, never change. This is now clearly my favourite monthly title (sorry, Cap; you had a good three-ish year run). "Love and War" hits its midway point, as Herc and Namora continue on the Amazons' trail, and Cho gets lucky with Delphyne; though, based on what happens next, Cho may be a Matt Murdock in the making (not that I believe she's actually dead; that's a classic Doctor Evil moment right there). There isn't actually a whole lot of Herc himself this week, but a lot of the supporting cast, and the villains. Herc actually seems pretty attached to Namora (and she to him); be interesting to see how this goes, since if they want to keep her around they'll have to share her with Agents of Atlas (though Athena apparently works for them). And the main villain of the series is unveiled; it's who you'd expect. Henry's art isn't up to Sandoval's, but it's very good, and his facial expressions are fantastic.

Wonder Woman #26

And across the universe, comics' other Greek hero begins a new arc (which was trailed in DC Universe #0 in June, thanks to DC's typically dumb marketing), debuting Genocide, allegedly Diana's version of Doomsday. She's a weapon created by the Secret Society, now run by Doctor Minerva/Cheetah; and she's evil, as every character around will tell us (the chief scientist, T. O. Morrow, is in hysterics over it). The verdict is still out on Genocide as a whole, but the story really hasn't sold me so far on this being a massive escalation of threat; the beatdown Diana receives doesn't come across as being noticeably bad compared to some past ones. Perhaps it's partly due to the art, which, while great, is of a soft and pleasant appearance that doesn't really convey brutality viscerally (compared to say, McNiven's depiction of Iron Man punching Cap in Civil War #3, which is my gold standard for that). But the fight is still very good, particularly Diana's introduction of herself and Genocide's handling of a hostage. Elsewhere, there's some stuff with Nemesis and the DMA I don't care about, and the return of the Greek Gods, who seem to have little idea who they are; and DC-Athena is a whole lot less together than Marvel-Athena now, it would seem.
 
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Batman 681: Good ending to RIP, which sums up why Bruce Wayne is the ultimate badass. IMo, I'm guessing people dont like this arc because A. Bruce Wayne's getting replaced and B. people apparently dont like to think when reading a comic.
 
X-Force- PICK OF THE WEEK! Kyle and Yost have just perfectly captured a great team dynamic with this book. Every character is just fun to read. Domino and Vanisher were both great in this issue. 9/10

Daredevil- Speaking of great supporting casts, Brubaker is doing a phenomenal job with Matt's. I love seeing Danny and Carlos, and Lark is killing on the art. My only qualm is that the inks on the first few pages were a bit too dark. They improved drastically as the issue went on, though. The scenes in the rain were fantastic. 9/10

Transformers: All Hail Megatron- McCarthy is still taking his time, but the slow build is ok, because I think we're really building to something. We're still getting hints to what's happened since Furman's run, and I'm happy for that. The characterization of Jazz has to be some of the best I've seen in a good long time, Kup is great (although the fake stogie is unnecessary) and Guidi continues to do a great job. Little details, like Roadbuster scraping against the ceiling, are very nice. The moment with Ratbat and Spike gave me some flashbacks to the old "Carwash of Doom." 9/10

Ultimate Spider-Man- Great end to this arc. Everything is wrapped up perfectly. The ending is a great segway for Ultimates 3, and it still ties back to the USM game. It's nice having
Gwen
back, and I really liked Peter and Tony's interaction. Immonen rocks with the crazy symbiote action, too. 9/10

Captain America- Not bad. This arc is just decent, but I'm not really sure why I should care about that last page. Anyone I should recognize? 8/10

Hulk- More brainless fun. I like Moon Knight in this arc more than I do in his series. It's creepy hearing Rulk talk about sex. 8/10

Runaways- Pretty much filler. Lots of talk, but next to nothing happens. Ho hum. 5/10

Also Bought: Marvel Select Bucky Cap. Went with the maskless variant, but it was a tough call. The leg posability SUCKS. Still cool, though. Might grab Anti-Venom, too.
 
Captain America and Daredevil were both amazing.The plots are moving along at the right pace,great cliffhangers and both had some fantastic action sequences.Hollingsworth's colors have been more vibrant during this LB arc,and it works since this seems to be a more upbeat (as upbeat as DD can get) superhero story.It looks like we're getting ****loads of cameos.Bring on Wolvie and Shang Chi I hope!

Hercules had a great deal of exposition and setup,more than usual in fact.Still a great book though,loved the big concepts about Atlantis and all.

Thor:Man of War was the best of the 3 one shots penned by Fraction.This one was really balls to the wall action,more than the previous two issues.Clay Mann is a serious talent,amazing how he can go from hard edged street level visuals in DD to 2 gods doing battle in hell with winged horses and ****.
 
Batman 681: Good ending to RIP, which sums up why Bruce Wayne is the ultimate badass. IMo, I'm guessing people dont like this arc because A. Bruce Wayne's getting replaced and B. people apparently dont like to think when reading a comic.

No,I think it's more along the lines of telling a story with no payoff or resolve for the readers after all the clues and seeds that have been dropped.Throw in some pinup art with no sense of storytelling at times and fans have every reason to despise this issue.

And seriously,a helicopter crash?That's just lazy,Krusty the Clown did it a hell of alot better.

Judging from your username,you're going to come back and defend this issue like crazy,so I'll just stop there.:woot:
 
Can you give me a breakdown in spoiler form?

I'm getting 50/50 results about this issue and I won't get to my comics until after the weekend...

:csad:
 
Holy crap! This week's comics came out on Wednesday?! If I hurry, I can make it to the store before they close in an hour...


Who am I kidding? I'll make the comic shop my only shopping destination on Friday. I hope they have another 25% off trade paperback sale...
 
Yeah, what's the ramifications to come from "R.I.P."? I don't read Batman comics but I'm really curious as to if anyone died or anything big happened. I tried reading the issues to find out myself by I was sooooooo lost as to what was going on in the pages of the first couple parts that I had no clue what I was reading.
 
The day before Thanksgiving and we have a hearty helping of comics this week to finish off Thanksgiving. As usual, ASTONISHING WOLF-MAN is running a bit behind, and full spoilers ahead.

Dread's Bought/Thought for 11/26/08:

END LEAGUE #6:
Here we are, 6th issue and usually the obligatory "trade break", only this arc is going onward. While not a bad piece of work, it would easily be the "dud" of the week for me. The problem here is I simply don't feel for any of the characters. They just exist as recognizable achetypes and aside for codenames, powers, and a spiffy one liner or two I just don't feel many of them. Astonishman got the lion's share, but he's been dead for about 3-4 issues now. Prairie Ghost started to get some, but he's been mostly off panel for two issues. Now we are delving into Codename Black, who is basically Batman with a spookier motif. Unfortunately, the scene in which he argues with his mother and brother Peter about carrying on their wicked father's legacy (or not) just reminded me too much of HEROES, albeit unintentionally. Remender clearly has a story here, and it is a bleak superhero epic about the last team of heroes left in a world where the bad guys won, but the characters are just cogs in the story. I feel no sense of urgency about whether Black can save his friends because they're barely characters to me. Plus, last issue it was revealed the "hammer" he is chasing after that Smiling Man offers is a fraud, so there's some oomph taken out of the climax.

Canete's taken over as full time artist now and his style has a flair all it's own. I think I preferred the last artist, though, and it isn't enough to bring the work above mediocrity. I usually like seeing how stories end, but I may not have more than another issue or two in me. After a decent premise, this has proven to be underwhelming. Remender would have been better off cutting his team roster in half and really making us care about the heroes as they live through nightmares. Without that emotional investment, it is just akin to a slasher movie where you mindlessly watch the action and count down until someone "gets it".

UMBRELLA ACADEMY: DALLAS #1: After what seems like forever, the next installment of Gerald Way & Gabriel Ba's quickly British superhero team unfolds and unlike END LEAGUE, this team has loads of character in it's characters. Of course, the tone is entirely different. This issue isn't as quicky as the debut issue of the last installment, but that is to be expected. The characters and their universe have already be introduced and this is a continuation of their story.

A quick fight in the past in the era of JFK against the Lincoln monument (which is a fun gag, although POWERPUFF GIRLS, DEXTER'S LABORATORY and SOUTH PARK have already done similar gags). The team is still reacting to the Apocalypse Suite last time around. Spaceboy appears to be sitting around with the munchies, gaining wait. The crazed Seance is on an all time high after saving the world and has a new dose of confidence. Rumor has lost her voice (and thus her power) and insists on her sister White Violine reliving the horror she wrought. Krakken is still out busting heads. And the time travelling Number Five is losing money on the track and dodging more soldiers from the Time Police. And the monkey is still dead, and quite cross about it.

Some could say that so far, it is typical of a sequel; it isn't fresh as it used to be, since there are expectations now, and it is trying to provide more of what the last story did. I disagree. I think UMBRELLA ACADEMY is a fun, quirky little superhero series and it is ten times better than a slew of Big Two books out there. Plus, it actually sells in the Top 100, which is amazing for a non-Whedon or Star Wars Dark Horse book. Ba's art is great and really helps nail down the look of the book here. I could easily see this as a quirky ADULT SWIM type series. Rumor "talking" via notepad is actually a more interesting vehicle than I imagined.

The last volume should be out on trade so if you're into superheroes and haven't given this a try, I recommend it. I mean, it beats buying HULK or something.

BLUE BEETLE #33: A dead book walking, being canceled after issue #36. A lot of emoting has been had on this forum about it, as this was one of DC's few healthy titles and characters left. After all, without BLUE BEETLE, all that is left for Jaime Reyes is TEEN TITANS, where he is liable to be raped or killed (or have a member of his family raped or killed). DiDio for once can't really be blamed for this; the book has lasted way longer than it should have; it was barely selling 15k by issue #19 and as of Sept. 2008 was selling barely over 12k with sales slipping 1-3% a month. At #161 in the Top 200, books like INVINCIBLE, AVENGERS: FAIRY TALES, and SPIDER-GIRL outsold it. Some retailers at THE BEAT argued the final nail in the coffin was the "all Spanish" issue, where they claim many readers simply left the issue on the stands and never looked back. Looking at harder numbers, the book had been in a slow and steady sales decline for two years; after a brief spike from SINESTRO CORPS, it fell like a stone. However, the drop in sales from issue #26 (the all-Spanish issue) to #27 was 3.5%, which was the biggest one issue drop the book had seen in 3-5 months. Frankly, I was surprised Sturges & Alberquerque got another arc considering how dire the sales were. Obviously appearing in TEEN TITANS (which sells 41k within the Top 60) didn't do much to boost BLUE BEETLE's sales. Some speculate that him appearing in BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD could have helped, but I frankly doubt we will see a sale increase from Nov. - Dec. 2008.

No, what killed this book was simply being a well written, well drawn, relatively light hearted and witty superhero saga in an age, era, and especially a company that worships interconnected bleakness, hack-shock value work, and endless crossovers. There are few books that are like CAPTAIN AMERICA; good books that happen to also sell well. Usually it is one or the other.

Still, as Yogi Berra would say, "It ain't over 'til it's over", and Blue Beetle still has some issues left.

The aforementioned Teen Titans appear in this story, although honestly I don't know why they are there besides to provide some (admittedly fun) banter with Peacemaker. The Titans officially appear to help Blue Beetle defend El Paso as he has to contend with not only a magnetic pulse that is empowering random crooks and screwing with his scarab's sensors, but a powder keg of tension from the populace regarding border security. A lot of people think that Marvel is the company that writes about current social topics and DC sort of twiddles their thumbs, but this issue is very relevant in BLUE BEETLE. It was virtually ignored in our Presidential election towards the end simply because it was a hot button issue. Exploiting this tension, though, is the new Dr. Polaris, who is seeking to take over El Paso as if he is the new La Dama.

Paco and Brenda, meanwhile, manage to escape their situation with Mari as well as help get Beetle back on track to fight her father. In a way, Mari could be argued as being a "Mary Sue"; she has just appeared and has intertwined herself into the cast very quickly by creating a love triangle with Paco & Brenda and of course being the ever-endangered daughter of the big bad. But she manages to be quirky enough that she isn't nearly as boring as Layla Miller was in HOUSE OF M (who, before Peter David, was the definition of a Mary Sue). Dr. Polaris seemingly kills Beetle in the cliffhanger and the tag for the next issue cheekingly reminds us of the end. Alberquerque's art is awesome as always for the book and his name is even mentioned in the dialogue. Robin & Peacemaker get in some amusing tag team action.

It really, really sucks that BLUE BEETLE is ending, but in the big picture, a three year run that was good throughout is a very rare thing in today's day and age. The character won't be forgotten and for all we know, could be rediscovered in trade. And Jaime's wait from page to animation was not nearly as long as other characters. And at the very least, we will have a final showdown between Jaime and what may be his deadliest enemy yet. Can't wait to see how it all ends. Sturges has claimed a character will die by issue #36, and I kind of hope it is Mari, so the rest of the little "universe" is left intact by the end.

Completely random thought; I flipped through WONDER WOMAN this week, and was I the only one who looked at that last page and thought, "I guess Diana forgot her safe word?"

CAPTAIN AMERICA #44: CA reviews can get very boring; there is only so many ways to write the same thing. I know the book is good. You know the book is good. Is there really a point to more? If you're not enjoying the title, you're either a die hard Rogers fan bitter about the death, or haven't given it a try.

Very well. After another awesome Epting cover, part 2 of this 3 part story naturally continues with flashbacks and present action. After saving Chinese prodigy Zhang Chin in the 40's, Bucky returned to him by 1968, but by then he was the brainwashed Winter Soldier, cryogenically thawed out for covert Cold War assassinations and merc missions. In present day, a figure from that era, perhaps both Chin and his mysterious, demonic protector, are involved in a mission involving stolen U.N. items. This leads to Widow and New Cap investigating, and Buck walking into a trap set up by the mastermind as well as Batroc the Leaper.

Speaking of Batroc, honestly, THIS is how to make a villain cool. Brubaker hasn't made Batroc into a serial killer wearing black leather. He hasn't made him a hero. He even kept the orange and purple color scheme and the high school French words sprinkled into his speech. But what he has made Batroc is more professional. His outfit is more functional, but not in that obnoxious Bryan Hitch way (thanks, Luke Ross, who is filling in for Epting fine). With Brubaker's sense of action pacing, his high flying savate is actually very interesting. And Batroc knows fighting styles to know when he is fighting the same man twice regardless of a mask. And fights atop moving vehicles always equal cool. Brubaker's always managed that balance between espionage and balls-to-the-wall action pacing, and can actually PACE IT (instead of, oh, Bendis, who seems to delight in one cluster**** group Royal Rumble after another), and always has artists in Epting, Perkins, or Ross who can draw it elegantly.

I haven't the foggiest who the "mystery man" is, but I like his creepy design, and I am sure the last issue will explain it all. After the long grind of the Red Skull story a three issue arc is a nice breather. I also am enjoying that Buck & Widow are now a couple and all but partners in their crusade. The tone of the story of course is that Bucky may be Captain America now, but he did have that dark past that he sometimes uses for his missions for intel, but also can come back to haunt him. As a former manipulated spy, Romanov fits into his life very well. DC keeps trying to rip this run off with some of their Batman stories, and that is all they can do; TRY.

Not everything has to be a grand conspiracy and I am enjoying this newfound adventure as the era of New Cap boldly continues. Still hope Brubaker plans to stay past issue #50. I can't imagine the franchise without him anymore. Hell, without him, I was never inclined to leap aboard.

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #7: After the obligatory "dark secret that splits the team asunder before issue #12" storyline from SECRET INVASION (which, to be fair, was still pretty darn good), we have a reorganized team roster, as shown on the cover. Yes, sometimes a cover IS still accurate.

After finding out that Peter Quill had Mantis "teep" into the thoughts of the various members to have them assemble ASAP, Drax & Quasar split to search for Drax's adopted daughter Cammi, Warlock & Gamora are investigating the Universal Church of Truth, and Peter Quill is now the prisoner of Blastaar (who has apparently regained power in the Negative Zone). This leaves Rocket Raccoon to "lead" a squad consisting of everyone who is left (Mantis, Groot, and Major Victory) alongside Bug. Missing from the debut, Bug even pokes some fun at some fans asking about him at various online juctures by teasing, "I didn't make the original cut"? Naturally, I don't expect this line up to remain as it is for long, and am glad the rest of the characters have not been forgotten. Adam Warlock seeks to actually LEAD the Church once he exposes it's secrets, Gamora actually doesn't look too bad in short hair, and Phyla learns a hint that "Heather", i.e. Moondragon, may actually not be dead. To be fair, some people have been calling Moondragon's return since Ultron killed her in ANNIHILATION CONQUEST. Me? I was never a fan of Heather and always thought that it was about time after some 40 years of fighting the Avengers, that Ultron finally managed to actually kill one of them. DnA's trademark snappy dialogue is still as fresh as ever with Rocket's squad, even though Groot's catch phrase has long since worn out it's welcome.

Starhawk also reveals more secrets about the unraveling of time and space as well as his/her purpose. It ties things into the old GOTG comic book series but in a way that isn't so heavy with lore that a casual fan like me isn't lost; I mean I know of GOTG from trading cards and handbooks, but that is about it. Victory finds himself stumbling upon Zom soldiers and Badoon strongholds just as in his own alternate future. Even some of the original GOTG are shown. Pelletier, as usual, is in his element with space comics and GOTG really allows him to draw all sorts of interesting characters, background, and battles.

While I was rather vocal about being annoyed at the typical "team break up" storyline, especially so soon after the team was formed and I got used to everyone, Abnett & Lanning are executing the story well; plus, by following all of the characters, it cements the team aspect even if not everyone is actually on the roster. Y'know, like an X-Men book, only actually good and not confusing. I am interested in how the old Guardians will link up with the new ones and how it all factors into WAR OF KINGS. Although honestly, I probably got a bigger kick out of the other Abnett & Lanning space book of the week.

NEW WARRIORS #18: Another dead book walking, this has fallen outside the Top 100 sales and will be finished by issue #20; still the longest run the NW franchise has had in ages, even if Grevioux chose to sink or swim with a cast of castoff X-Men. The cast, or at least what is left of them, are still stuck 30 years in the future where Night-Thrasher is still wanted by the feds and Iron Man has seemingly taken over the country and soon the world with an iron fist.

I think the major problem here is that the "Iron Man in danger of being a fascist" has sort of been back peddled in the comics for a good 7-8 months now at least. Marvel has tried to back off and make him more conflicted and less like Dr. Doom. The movie promotion had a great deal to do with that, as well as the end of CIVIL WAR polarization. But NEW WARRIORS' entire premise is still rebelling against Iron Man's Initiative and it's boot-stomping enforcement. Right now the only forces still harshly enforcing the SHRA against superheroes are the Thunderbolts, who Iron Man doesn't directly lead. There also is mention of secret U.S. take-over conspiracies, but honestly these stories feel like left overs from, generously, a half a year ago.

The major reveal at the end of the issue is, of course, Future Iron Man & Future Thrasher are not who they appear to be. Future Thrash is in fact a social security collectin' Tony Stark while "Iron Man" is in fact Dwayne Taylor, who claims that if he "killed Donyell, he would be killing himself". I am guessing the moral may be that by reviving Dwayne, he ends up becoming a worse armored tyrant than Stark would ever become, and thus Donyell's entire purpose since his car accident is for naught. While Dwayne Taylor always had his moments of darkness, claiming he would take over Stark's company and armor and essentially take over the world may be a bit much. I mean, this was a guy willing to turn against his adopted parents when they turned out to be evil (Chord, at least, was trying to redeem himself). This revelation may convince Donyell to allow his brother to rest in peace to not allow this future to come to pass, which is an outcome some long-term Warriors fans may not be happy with. Me? I doubted Dwayne would be returning; Marvel stretched things making a hubbub over Stamford then to revive Speedball (and make him Emoball). Reviving anyone else from that battle risks making CW look like even more of an overreaction story than it was.

The artist for the issue is Casey Jones. GOONGALA! No, seriously, that is his name, and I know they likely are not one and the same. Didn't Brown draw some of the last issues?

There is hinting that the X-Warriors may not be able to return home and could be stuck in the dystopian alternate future, and I hope that isn't the fate for all of them, least not Wondra/Jubilee. Det. Sykes is still getting used to hanging out with the semi-militant anti-SHRA vigilantes and still does not like cooperating with them, even when faced with no other options.

Honestly, the first issue of ADAM: THE BLUE MARVEL seemed to interest me more than NEW WARRIORS at this point and while I am glad Grevioux will have the chance to wrap up his run in the next two issues, I won't miss this title as much as, say, BLUE BEETLE. It has run it's course and I don't mind bidding farewell to it in Jan. 2009. I just hope Grevioux's work at integrating some of these C-List X-Men into the more Marvel superhero mainstream are not wasted in future appearances, especially Wondra.
 
Last, but certainly not least...

NOVA #19: Either this or CAPTAIN AMERICA #44 would be the best book of the week for me; take your pick. Honestly, the only downer to the issue can be gotten over right away; the cover. "THE CORPS IS BACK!"? Shouldn't it be, "THE CORPS ARE BACK"? You wouldn't say, "Look! There is the Green Lantern Corps" upon seeing them, you would say, "Look, there ARE the Green Lantern Corps". People sniffed at Marvel's "WHO DO YOU TRUST?" instead of "WHOM DO YOU TRUST?", but c'mon, us yanks never use the term "whom" anymore. But this seems more blatant. Me fail English, that unpossible!

Still, the fact that the eternal cynic such as myself can only nitpick the cover shows that the issue itself is good.

As soon as they arrived, the five new Nova Centurions team up with Nova Prime Richard Rider to take down the Serpent Society as they take a bunch of hostages in reaction to the Skrull Invasion (even villains get freaked out). You get your fast paced introductions a la' 90's comics rather than spending like 4 issues on each one and it still can work if you are a pro, and Abnett & Lanning are. Probably my favorite of the bunch is Fraktur, a distant cousin to Fin Fang Foom who has about the scariest female design I have seen for a heroine in a while. There'll be no internet hentai images of HER, folks. Rounding out the bunch are Irani the big-brained Rigellian, Morrow the wise-talking Mephistoid, Qubit the vague Skeets wanna-be construct, and Malik the Shi'ar, who of course is the most boring of all of them. They taken down the Serpents in under two seconds (and Irani STILL complains that it could have been done faster) and Nova gives a short press conference that is pretty awesome. While I prefer Nova being up in space and not on Earth, I have to admit it is kind of cool seeing him get some props from his home planet for once. DnA even remember about Justice.

The meat of the action takes place at Project PEGASUS, where both Darkhawk and Robbie Rider have some serious Human Rocket envy as Richard is the big man on science site; Robbie humorously complains about being stuck in the shadow of his brother in a way that seems both genuine and amusing without seeming full of over-the-top hatred as Millar or Bendis might have written it. And while Richard may have the lovely Dr. Necker (seriously, is that a Bond woman name!?) nipping at his shoulderpads, he takes issue with Worldmind recruiting Centurions behind his back. After all, losing Ko-Rel has factored heavilly in Nova's mind; especially because he practically slew her while under the control of the Phalanx.

Much as I and others predicted last month and after some solict leaks, Worldmind has taken issue with Richard's consistant practice of disobeying orders and endangering his AI to destruction, which Worldmind has a point with as he JUST got back online from a few issues of being fragged. While of course Richard has human reasons for disobeying and things usually "work out" at the end, that is considered too risky for Worldmind. Plus, Worldmind still fears for Nova's sanity with all that Nova Force power as well as wants the Corps rebuilt faster than Richard does. The five Centurions gathered already start to grow on Rich, but at the end of the issue when Worldmind has seemingly made every human on the PEGASUS base, including Robbie, a Centurion, the program has obviously gone too far. While it may be satisfying for Robbie to finally play at being a superhero, Nova would NEVER endanger him to such a life, nor would he want to haphazardly endanger others. It is one of those situations where both sides have a point. Richard doesn't want to "randomly" empower Centurions who either may not cut it or may die without the proper mindset, as Ko-Rel's death guilts him. On Worldmind's side, Richard is reckless and is dragging his rear about rebuilding the Corps, so Worldmind is doing what has to be done; plus, if not for empowerments out of randomness or emergency, Rider never would have been tapped (Dey crash landed on Earth on pure accident).

I did find it interesting that after all the past complaining about Worldmind "barking" at him (Richard often compared WM to his father), now he genuinely wanted Worldmind "back in his head". Also note that Nova stated that the Mole Man attack as depicted in the early issues of MIGHTY AVENGERS in 2007 as "last year". Ah, that wacky Marvel time. Still, you have to love DnA's use of continuity and past events for their stories, even in the details. Quasar is still taking a powder to "recharge" in the Quantum Flask, FYI.

Alves' art is stunning as always.

This looks to become a very interesting storyline. In that Mighty Marvel Fashion, just when the hero seems to be on cloud nine with a big head and massive fanfare from the masses, up comes a new problem that shakes him to his core. Richard and Worldmind often operate on two different angles, but both have had to work together. Now Worldmind is displaying more of a sense of independance and overruling of Richard's desires than he may have ever realized. Omnipotent alien AI's are always like that, of course. I honestly doubt Nova would destroy Worldmind or something, so I am interested in how it works out. Does Robbie stay a Centurion? How would the Rider family react? Does the poor bastard get himself killed and Nova suffers more tragedy? Oh, the possibilities!

After all, it is Nova's consideration for each and every life rather than thinking in alien "big picture" angles that makes him relatable and one of Marvel's greatest heroes at this point. This is a guy who has tried to save the entire universe all by himself one planet at a time. And all thanks to Abnett & Lanning taking the ball that Kieth Giffen passed and working wonders with it.

NOVA, like GOTG, saw a sales boost from SECRET INVASION, but so long as sales hold steady, it should last another year at least, I hope. Things are really getting interesting, and space Marvel continues to be a good place for good comics. Who'd have thunk it from Joe Q's tenure? The EIC who revived the space race?
 
Yea,I like the "new slate" type of feel that Cap has with this new arc.Everything is progressing and everything feels fresh again.Not to say TDOCA was bad or anything.
 
Yeah, what's the ramifications to come from "R.I.P."? I don't read Batman comics but I'm really curious as to if anyone died or anything big happened. I tried reading the issues to find out myself by I was sooooooo lost as to what was going on in the pages of the first couple parts that I had no clue what I was reading.

Spoilers/Ramifications for the conclusion of RIP:

The Black Glove is still a mystery, unless I'm just stupid and it went over my head, but it looks more and more like the Devil since he/she/it is referenced a lot. Dr. Hurt may or may not be Thomas Wayne or The Devil or Some other guy who's name they mentioned or maybe...all of...the above?

Joker leaves Arkham driving in an Ambulance, and get this, as he is driving down the bridge we weaves into the wrong lane and gets hit by the Bat mobile driven by Damien and Alfred off handily mentions that they just hit an ambulance.

Nightwing was faking all along. It was all part of the plan.

Batman knew Jezebel was evil after he he fell in love with her and apparently was just acting for the end part of their relationship. He also apparently knows everything about her family and has stolen several of the letters from her mother and father. Also, near the end Ninja Man-Bats attack Jezebel's jet.

Batman plans for everything. The issue starts with him buried alive, but he's prepared. He breaks out of the grave and starts breaking faces. Hurt gives him the choice to join The Glove, but Batman says Nah and does a wicked dive into the helicopter Hurt is escaping in. Huge explosion with Hurt proclaiming that The Black Glove always wins.

Fast-forward to the undefined future, Batman and Robin are missing. The Glove member who Joker dismembered is torturing a cop for some type of information (I forgot what exactly now) and states that Batman is dead and gone, BUT as he is about to finish off the cop a bright light shines in and as the cop smiles we see it's the bat signal. People are saying this is actually the beginning of issue 676 in which Batman & Robin are shown busting through a window proclaiming "You're wrong, Batman & Robin never dies!"

Also, apparently Batman knew this ordeal was coming all along, he just wasn't sure exactly how it would turn out, so that's apparently why all this plans are in place. Also at the end we see a flashback to the day Bruce's parent are murdered and apparently Zur-En-Arrh is also maybe a slur of Zorro in Arkham. This is sometime Thomas Wayne references. Not sure what this all means honestly, maybe a hint that The Glove was involved in the origin of Batman.

Anyway, I'm probably being a little overly harsh and sarcastic, but honestly, I was pretty disappointed, I was really into the story, but this is just...meh.
 
Spoilers/Ramifications for the conclusion of RIP:

The Black Glove is still a mystery, unless I'm just stupid and it went over my head, but it looks more and more like the Devil since he/she/it is referenced a lot. Dr. Hurt may or may not be Thomas Wayne or The Devil or Some other guy who's name they mentioned or maybe...all of...the above?

Joker leaves Arkham driving in an Ambulance, and get this, as he is driving down the bridge we weaves into the wrong lane and gets hit by the Bat mobile driven by Damien and Alfred off handily mentions that they just hit an ambulance.

Nightwing was faking all along. It was all part of the plan.

Batman knew Jezebel was evil after he he fell in love with her and apparently was just acting for the end part of their relationship. He also apparently knows everything about her family and has stolen several of the letters from her mother and father. Also, near the end Ninja Man-Bats attack Jezebel's jet.

Batman plans for everything. The issue starts with him buried alive, but he's prepared. He breaks out of the grave and starts breaking faces. Hurt gives him the choice to join The Glove, but Batman says Nah and does a wicked dive into the helicopter Hurt is escaping in. Huge explosion with Hurt proclaiming that The Black Glove always wins.

Fast-forward to the undefined future, Batman and Robin are missing. The Glove member who Joker dismembered is torturing a cop for some type of information (I forgot what exactly now) and states that Batman is dead and gone, BUT as he is about to finish off the cop a bright light shines in and as the cop smiles we see it's the bat signal. People are saying this is actually the beginning of issue 676 in which Batman & Robin are shown busting through a window proclaiming "You're wrong, Batman & Robin never dies!"

Also, apparently Batman knew this ordeal was coming all along, he just wasn't sure exactly how it would turn out, so that's apparently why all this plans are in place. Also at the end we see a flashback to the day Bruce's parent are murdered and apparently Zur-En-Arrh is also maybe a slur of Zorro in Arkham. This is sometime Thomas Wayne references. Not sure what this all means honestly, maybe a hint that The Glove was involved in the origin of Batman.

Anyway, I'm probably being a little overly harsh and sarcastic, but honestly, I was pretty disappointed, I was really into the story, but this is just...meh.

lol Wow.

As someone who's never read a Batman comic aside from the issue of "Knightfall" where his back was broken and the first issue or two of "R.I.P."....almost all of that just went over my head. :p

Thank you for the detailed info though!


So basically Batman and Robin are believed to be dead, but are probably not?
 
Oh, yeah, sorry I misunderstood you, yeah if you haven't been following Morrison's run on Batman you really won't have a clue what I'm talking about. Hell, I'm sure that there is more than a few who have been following and still don't totally understand it.

Anyway, yeah, from the way it ended that's how it looks, The Big Bad(s) believe Batman & Robin kicked, but BOOM there they are. Of course, which Batman & Robin is IT!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!-----Oh, who cares
 
Batman 681: Good ending to RIP, which sums up why Bruce Wayne is the ultimate badass. IMo, I'm guessing people dont like this arc because A. Bruce Wayne's getting replaced and B. people apparently dont like to think when reading a comic.

Don't be an idiot.
 
No,I think it's more along the lines of telling a story with no payoff or resolve for the readers after all the clues and seeds that have been dropped.Throw in some pinup art with no sense of storytelling at times and fans have every reason to despise this issue.

And seriously,a helicopter crash?That's just lazy,Krusty the Clown did it a hell of alot better.

Judging from your username,you're going to come back and defend this issue like crazy,so I'll just stop there.:woot:

I dont have to...you're obsessed with the story being about batmans death...thats how i know you, like so many other fanboys, dont understand the point of the story...because if you did, you'd know bruce wayne's story gets resolved in final crisis...NOT RIP
 
Don't be an idiot.

Thats the assumption i have to make, at least about the people reading RIP...apparently, when it comes to mainstream comics, people like twists, as long as they dont have to think about what those twists mean....which is why people like dini's run so much...its good story, but its run of the mill batman as well...
 
It's clear that Morrison has a vast intellect and that it reflects in his writing. Problem is, he has the knack of taking a simple premise, and making it complicated to the point of confusion. Morrison is hit or miss for most.
 
It's clear that Morrison has a vast intellect and that it reflects in his writing. Problem is, he has the knack of taking a simple premise, and making it complicated to the point of confusion. Morrison is hit or miss for most.

I understand that, but for me the last issue wasnt really confusing...in fact, it may be the simplest part of the entire arc.....for example,
its obvious that hurt isnt thomas wayne
, yet people still think its true...like morrison's said, the story is alot simpler if you stop thinking of this as some big event that will change everything, which is more a reflection of DC sucking than any storytelling problem.
 
At the end of the day, as soon as DC announced Gaimen to write 2 issues of "Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader", it was easy to deduce that Bruce would be killed/disappear only to have Dick take his place (yeah, yeah... we've already seen it in the Prodigal Son), and then after Gaimen's issues, we have a new & freshly rebooted Batman Universe (same as Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrw" and the Superman reboot), with Bruce Wayne back under the cowl... and a fresh new history to start over again... and again... and again...

:csad:
 
At the end of the day, as soon as DC announced Gaimen to write 2 issues of "Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader", it was easy to deduce that Bruce would be killed/disappear only to have Dick take his place (yeah, yeah... we've already seen it in the Prodigal Son), and then after Gaimen's issues, we have a new & freshly rebooted Batman Universe (same as Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrw" and the Superman reboot), with Bruce Wayne back under the cowl... and a fresh new history to start over again... and again... and again...

:csad:

No offense, but as a guy who supports the new spider man direction, isnt this a bit...hypocritical of you?
 
Last, but certainly not least...

NOVA #19: Either this or CAPTAIN AMERICA #44 would be the best book of the week for me; take your pick. Honestly, the only downer to the issue can be gotten over right away; the cover. "THE CORPS IS BACK!"? Shouldn't it be, "THE CORPS ARE BACK"? You wouldn't say, "Look! There is the Green Lantern Corps" upon seeing them, you would say, "Look, there ARE the Green Lantern Corps". People sniffed at Marvel's "WHO DO YOU TRUST?" instead of "WHOM DO YOU TRUST?", but c'mon, us yanks never use the term "whom" anymore. But this seems more blatant. Me fail English, that unpossible!


Actually, Corps is a collective noun. So, when referring to them as a collective, you treat them as one entity. Therefore, The Corps is Back is absolutely correct. To use the plural, you would say "The members of the Corp ARE back."

But the issue was great, and my favorite of the week. The last page was great, and is going to set up some great family psycho-drama.
 
re RIP, see what I posted on the DC forum:

From what I've read myself so far and what I've seen from #681 - I think this is a good story and a pretty good finish.

I think its clear the black glove is the organisation not an individual and Hurt is the 'devil'


Anyway I came across this post from a guy on the Dc boards, which I think sums things up pretty well and agrees with my interpretation on RIP - see what you think:

SPOILERS

Shoehead: Every now and then I'm reminded why this industry is unable to grow up. Comic fans need details spelled out. They don't want the experience, the art, the execution. They want a list of fact and events dumbed down and easily cataloged on Wikipedia. They want the bullet points.

This story was incredible. INCREDIBLE. I say that having just finished reading it. Yes, the spoilers are accurate. But actually reading the damn thing allows you to see what the original poster completely misses.

So go read it. Buy it, download it, whatever you do to support the industry, do it.

Don't want to? Fine. Here's the bullet points:

- As stated above, Hurt is the Devil, or the DC equivalent of of "pure evil". It's stated several times by several characters (Bruce, Hurt, Joker, one of the international Batmen). Batman set everything in motion with when he underwent Thogal. A quote: "In my attempts to see clearly in the deepest dark, in my efforts to go to the still eye of madness, did I open up myself to some pure source of evil?" Morrison said the villain was someone the world knew. Batman #666 was a huge clue.

Yes it's ambiguous. We aren't told specifically what the Devil this. Is it inhabiting the body of Mangrove Pierce? Who knows. But it's clearly not Thomas Wayne. Because THAT would have been a travesty worthy of this thread.

- The Black Glove is an organization of extremely rich individuals (such as Jezebel) who annually unite to torture, torment, and generally gamble with people's lives. It's also revealed that Jezebel's father "won" her and her mother in such a game. Think Salo, but not quite as extreme. The Devil gathered these individuals to destroy Batman. He even states, as they ask to flee when Batman arrives :"But you chose to be here. All of you gamblers, you high and mighty rollers...your sins have found you out."

- The big reveal isn't even covered by these spoilers. The last page features a conversation Bruce had with his father right before he was shot. It was alluded to earlier that Bruce felt there was a repressed memory, a "scar on his consciousness" when undergoing Thogal. That memory was what his father tells him on the last page. Bruce asks why he can't be Zorro and how cool it would be to watch Zorro come down the street.

His father's reply: "I'm not so sure Gotham CIty would welcome a masked man taking the law into his own hands, Bruce! The sad thing is they'd probably throw someone like Zorro in Arkham."

Bruce: "What?"

Exactly, Bruce. What happens when that memory returns to him? Can you imagine what that could do to a person parading as a masked man taking the law into his own hands, to know what his father really thought of his life's mission? Oh wait, that's right. It's much easier to understand Batman's spirit being crushed if his father had been some diabolical madman all these years...

Also: Zorro In Arkham. ZurEnArrrh. Morrison LITERALLY spells it out for us on the last panel.

- Jezebel is most likely dead. Talia is most likely hunting down and killing the members of the Black Glove (The cardinal is shown assassinated on a newspaper in the 6 month later section). I'm sure this is an arc Last Rites and beyond plans to carry.

- Bossu says "That's the last time that anybody WE know laid eyes on Batman for sure." Think he knows Superman? Or anybody in Final Crisis? If you know that Batman's fate is to be revealed in Final Crisis #6 going in (perhaps some memory of some sort returns), you know he survives the helicopter crash. It's just the last time most of Gotham sees him.

Oh and the last panel on the second last page? Most likely the new Batman and Robin (from the first RIP issue) coming to save the day.

Does that sound like a whole different book? Surprise. I highly doubt Morrison was asked to rewrite any part of this. Because I'm sure Didio had the same reaction I had: instant classic.
 

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