Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Grog]

double post

 

[Grog]

Someone said it earlier in this thread, and I agree the largest threat to the FF franchise is if Fox decides it comes down to surfer or FF and not one movie of each. I don't think this film is strong enough to get both made. Having said that, I still lean toward them choosing the FF over the surfer because of the younger demographic star power they have under the FF contract.

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[Grog]

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[Tony Stark]

The movies have put a little too many silly moments, and the main ones I have are the ones that happen at bad times. Best example in this one is when Ben and Reed get blasted into the wall when Doom gets the power. Too Looney Tunesish right there.

Saying less silly doesn't mean dark and gritty.

I thought that scene was hillarious.

 

[Grog]

Someone said it earlier in this thread, and I agree the largest threat to the FF franchise is if Fox decides it comes down to surfer or FF and not one movie of each. I don't think this film is strong enough to get both made. Having said that, I still lean toward them choosing the FF over the surfer because of the younger demographic star power they have under the FF contract.

As an informal pole, does anyone think this movie will

 

[Grog]

Someone said it earlier in this thread, and I agree the largest threat to the FF franchise is if Fox decides it comes down to surfer or FF and not one movie of each. I don't think this film is strong enough to get both made. Having said that, I still lean toward them choosing the FF over the surfer because of the younger demographic star power they have under the FF contract.

As an informal pole, does anyone think this movie will gross

 

[Grog]

Someone said it earlier in this thread, and I agree the largest threat to the FF franchise is if Fox decides it comes down to surfer or FF and not one movie of each. I don't think this film is strong enough to get both made. Having said that, I still lean toward them choosing the FF over the surfer because of the younger demographic star power they have under the FF contract.

As an informal pole, does anyone think this movie will gross less than $275

 

[Spider-Fan]

I thought that scene was hillarious.

Funny, yes, but it is a mood breaker. Too cartoonish for that point in the movie where we are supposed to face the end of the world.

 

[X-Maniac]

Thank you!! If someone can't see that this isn't a direct translation from the comics, then they don't want to see it. It's the direct tone from the comics!

Some of the tone seems directly lifted, but there is a distinct lack of serious drama especially in devastating events like Sue dying, Galactus's tendrils approaching the earth. The EXACT tone of the original comics wouldn't work in a mainstream movie. The FF movies just need a little more craft and depth in them. This second one was much better than the first one - the amount of action was fine, the amount of comedy was a little too much, the editing was the usual Fox job of hiring Edward Scissorhands in to do it.

 

[Tony Stark]

Grog is a bot!

 

[Carp Man]

Thank you!! If someone can't see that this isn't a direct translation from the comics, then they don't want to see it. It's the direct tone from the comics!

The critics say this movie is directed at kids. Well no ****. The FF was not written for adults. Adults were not buying comics. KIDS were. When will people get it thru their heads. The comic was written with kids in mind, not adults. and the films are written to kids, and we adults who were kids once. Both of these films I went in as that kid sitting reading his 1st FF comic, and having a blast. If you don't or can't go in and watch it as a kid would, you'd hate it. It has to reach that inner child, or it won't work.

 

[Hiruu]

Someone said it earlier in this thread, and I agree the largest threat to the FF franchise is if Fox decides it comes down to surfer or FF and not one movie of each. I don't think this film is strong enough to get both made. Having said that, I still lean toward them choosing the FF over the surfer because of the younger demographic star power they have under the FF contract.

As an informal pole, does anyone think this movie will gross less than $275

Count me down as saying no.

 

[Spade]

Wow. Unlimited postage.

I think Fox should work with what's interesting and not what's become the subject of so much ire, younger demographic or not. They went for that in this film, and now they're suffering for it. As for the overall gross? Hard to say. This film is doing pretty poorly, and I don't think anything will rectify that at this point. The most to hope for is that the worldwide release grosses enough to really pull through. At this rate, the profit margin for the movie will probably be dampened by the fact that this was a $200 million budgeted film.

 

[Kelly]

The critics say this movie is directed at kids. Well no ****. The FF was not written for adults. Adults were not buying comics. KIDS were. When will people get it thru their heads. The comic was written with kids in mind, not adults. and the films are written to kids, and we adults who were kids once. Both of these films I went in as that kid sitting reading his 1st FF comic, and having a blast. If you don't or can't go in and watch it as a kid would, you'd hate it.

Ummm, no I have to say I watched it as an adult....thank you.

 

[Bishop2]

3) Make Reed a bit tougher - he seems so different to the comics. I think Ioan's American accent makes the character sound drippy, apathetic, half-hearted....

Reed has his tough moments in the comic, but they're not that frequent. More often than not he's just lost in thought. But Ioan, instead of making the character a technological bore, also provides the sense of humor we most recently saw in the Mark Waid run.

 

[Grog]

Grog is a bot!

Sorry. Don't know what happened up there... just submitted once.t:

 

[X-Maniac]

The critics say this movie is directed at kids. Well no ****. The FF was not written for adults. Adults were not buying comics. KIDS were. When will people get it thru their heads. The comic was written with kids in mind, not adults. and the films are written to kids, and we adults who were kids once. Both of these films I went in as that kid sitting reading his 1st FF comic, and having a blast. If you don't or can't go in and watch it as a kid would, you'd hate it.

But the same argument goes for all comicbooks - X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. The comics weren't written for four-year-olds, they contained adult themes, adult writing, deep issues. Parts of the FF2 movie - Torch's joke about a rockslide, Surfer being tortured - are not for children.

Personally, i thought the movie's main problems (aside from poor marketing here in the UK) were too much camp spoofy humour and editing that made the dramatic events zip by too quickly.

 

[Carp Man]

Ummm, no I have to say I watched it as an adult....thank you.

You missed the point then. I'm talking about those who critsize the movie for being geared to kids. That's what The FF comic was, geared at kids. And the movies reflect that. That's why I say Story understands what FF is all about. He's a kid at heart, and he remembers.

 

[Hiruu]

Wow. Unlimited postage.

I think Fox should work with what's interesting and not what's become the subject of so much ire, younger demographic or not. They went for that in this film, and now they're suffering for it. As for the overall gross? Hard to say. This film is doing pretty poorly, and I don't think anything will rectify that at this point. The most to hope for is that the worldwide release grosses enough to really pull through. At this rate, the profit margin for the movie will probably be dampened by the fact that this was a $200 million budgeted film.

lol...okay.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Wow. Unlimited postage.

I think Fox should work with what's interesting and not what's become the subject of so much ire, younger demographic or not. They went for that in this film, and now they're suffering for it. As for the overall gross? Hard to say. This film is doing pretty poorly, and I don't think anything will rectify that at this point. The most to hope for is that the worldwide release grosses enough to really pull through. At this rate, the profit margin for the movie will probably be dampened by the fact that this was a $200 million budgeted film.

Explain that 200 mil figure. The production budget was 130, and there is no way marketing was 70 mil.

 

[Bishop2]

I think Fox should work with what's interesting and not what's become the subject of so much ire, younger demographic or not. They went for that in this film, and now they're suffering for it. As for the overall gross? Hard to say. This film is doing pretty poorly, and I don't think anything will rectify that at this point. The most to hope for is that the worldwide release grosses enough to really pull through. At this rate, the profit margin for the movie will probably be dampened by the fact that this was a $200 million budgeted film.

The budget was either $125 or $130 million depending on your source of choice. Not close to 200.

 

[Carp Man]

But the same argument goes for all comicbooks - X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. The comics weren't written for four-year-olds, they contained adult themes, adult writing, deep issues. Parts of the FF2 movie - Torch's joke about a rockslide, Surfer being tortured - are not for children.

Personally, i thought the movie's main problems (aside from poor marketing here in the UK) were too much camp spoofy humour and editing that made the dramatic events zip by too quickly.

Poor marketing ? Allready made 15.7 in the U.K. Poor indeed.

 

[Kelly]

But the same argument goes for all comicbooks - X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. The comics weren't written for four-year-olds, they contained adult themes, adult writing, deep issues. Parts of the FF2 movie - Torch's joke about a rockslide, Surfer being tortured - are not for children.

Personally, i thought the movie's main problems (aside from poor marketing here in the UK) were too much camp spoofy humour and editing that made the dramatic events zip by too quickly.

You look at the F4 comics of today, and there is plenty of drama...."child custody", "spousal abuse", all kinds of issues of today's society. To think that it is only written to a kids point of view is crazy.......and much more of that tone could have been put into the movie as a whole. I enjoyed the funny parts, but I can agree with some that some did go over the top.....89 minutes is not enough time to bring much drama and exposition to any movie.....and that, in my opinion, is where the main problem was as far as the story is concerned.

 

[Bishop2]

You look at the F4 comics of today, and there is plenty of drama...."child custody", "spousal abuse", all kinds of issues of today's society.

Are we talking about Marvel Knights 4, or as it was later called, "Four"? I read that book. It wasn't bad. It had maybe three really good stories, a couple of decent ones and a few that were really, really bad. But the tone was, for the most part, wildly divergent from anything in the traditional FF books. The employee of FF Inc. getting sexually assaulted. Reed allowing two Inhuman kids to be abused and warped on the moon because of the political implications of intervention. Very serious, very dark, but very unlike most FF stories. Then again, that was the point. It was a Marvel Knights series. They're supposed to be... grimmer.

Now, the recent Mark Waid run... that's pretty much CORE FF, and some of the best the comic's ever seen. Even when Manhattan is being flung towards the SUN, even when Sue is threatening to sacrifice her life for the greater good... Ben and Johnny are STILL making cracks to diffuse the tension.

 

[Hiruu]

But the same argument goes for all comicbooks - X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. The comics weren't written for four-year-olds, they contained adult themes, adult writing, deep issues. Parts of the FF2 movie - Torch's joke about a rockslide, Surfer being tortured - are not for children.

Personally, i thought the movie's main problems (aside from poor marketing here in the UK) were too much camp spoofy humour and editing that made the dramatic events zip by too quickly.

I'm somewhat confused about any compliants about this film in the UK...it open 30% bigger, and dopped only 48% after opening, so I don't follow your comments. If the film had performed like this in the USA, Fox would have greenlighted the sequel today?