Superman Returns Superman Returns box office: an Explaination

[C. Lee]

It certainly is the explanation for both the BO results and me thinking the BO says nothing about the quality of a movie.

I've personally always said that BO has nothing to do with quality....many of the finest movies ever made have done poorly at the BO.

Or Citizen Kane, 2001, A Clockwork Orange, 8 1/2, Taxi Driver, Touch of Evil, etc.

As stated...these are not made for kids (in either age or mental ability).

 

[bgshw44]

But....in a discussion of why it didn't do as much box office as some expected....examples of kids not wanting to go to repeated viewings of it are one explanation.

My son is now 14 years old....we regularily watch comic based movies at the theater and at home on video....we have watched then all multiple times....except for SR.

The Superman character and world is "child friendly".....but SR didn't seem to connect with as many children as previous incarnations have. And that also seems to be one of the reasons it didn't have sensational box office.

hopefully WB will make singer lighten the tone and the color for the sequel. It had no magic like the origional because it was so serious

 

[AgentPat]

SR is not a children movie. Which I'm most glad for.

I'm glad that worked for you, but doncha think it's a problem if a movie about SUPERMAN doesn't have a HUGE appeal to children? I mean, really? Think about it.

There's a poster here who tends to fall asleep to my posts, but I've paid attention to his comments, and I distinctly remember him saying how much he was looking forward to taking a younger relative to SR and seeing the awe on the kid's face. It was ALL about introducing Superman to that child for him, and being witness to the reaction of something wonderful and new. Those comments were made almost two years ago, and now that I think about it, I don't recall that user ever posting about what the boy thought when he finally saw the pic, though I may have missed the post...

 

[El Payaso]

I'm glad that worked for you, but doncha think it's a problem if a movie about SUPERMAN doesn't have a HUGE appeal to children? I mean, really? Think about it.

I think about it and watch children superhero movie like Spiderman 1 and Fantastic Four and I realize how terrible they are, so no, no problem about it. In worst of cases STM and SII - if they are considered children movies - are still there. A time for more maturity was needed. Disney, Pixar and such will still release children movie so it's not like they don't have any movie to watch.

There's a poster here who tends to fall asleep to my posts, but I've paid attention to his comments, and I distinctly remember him saying how much he was looking forward to taking a younger relative to SR and seeing the awe on the kid's face. It was ALL about introducing Superman to that child for him, and being witness to the reaction of something wonderful and new. Those comments were made almost two years ago, and now that I think about it, I don't recall that user ever posting about what the boy thought when he finally saw the pic, though I may have missed the post...

I can't think of sacrificing or jeopardizing a movie's maturity and serious tone to please that poster's kid. Really, sorry. As said there's tons fo movies and cartoons out there for children.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

It's the same reason people care about Nielsen Ratings and critical reviews: they're yardsticks by which fans can assess the popularity and "worthiness" of the object of their affection. Because when that object is showered with praise by the public at large - as gauged by how much said public actually spends (money or time) on said product - then the fan feels vindicated for their fanship.

I just don't understand it. Why do you need a reassurance that someone else like's what you like. I mean I like SR but most people I know haven't even seen it because they hate Superman.

Admitting to liking POTC2 is easy; saying you liked Gigli is embarrassing. LOL

Saying you like Gigli is embarrassing more so for scenes like the ******ed guy talking about getting sex and having inspirational music playing on the score and Ben Affleck looking embarrassed saying the dialogue than how it did and the Box Office.

I understand wanting to se a sequel and worrying about it in that regard but why do you care about opening weekends and the drop on Sundays etc, the figure at the end of its run in the theater and its initial run on DVD is all that matters.

 

[AgentPat]

I think about it and watch children superhero movie like Spiderman 1 and Fantastic Four and I realize how terrible they are,

You thought S-M1 was terrible? Ooookay.

so no, no problem about it. In worst of cases STM and SII - if they are considered children movies

I don't think they're considered "children movies," but they do appeal to all ages.

A time for more maturity was needed.

I don't think anybody's arguing that. I could be wrong though.

Disney, Pixar and such will still release children movie so it's not like they don't have any movie to watch.

It's not about making a kid's film; it's about appealing to kids as well as adults. The Incredibles, anybody?

I can't think of sacrificing or jeopardizing a movie's maturity and serious tone to please that poster's kid. Really, sorry. As said there's tons fo movies and cartoons out there for children.

Huh? We're NOT talking about making a film for children; we're talking about making a film that appeals to them as well as their parents. There's a difference.

I just don't understand it. Why do you need a reassurance that someone else like's what you like.

Didn't say you do. But if folks want to argue their appreciation for something, it's easier when they have millions of people agreeing with them to back 'em up, or at least professional critics. Strength in numbers, perhaps? I dunno.

I like SR but most people I know haven't even seen it because they hate Superman.

They hate Superman? Hmm. That's a new one. I can understand not being interested or entertained by the character or the genre as a whole, but hating Superman? Um... why is that?

I understand wanting to se a sequel and worrying about it in that regard but why do you care about opening weekends and the drop on Sundays etc, the figure at the end of its run in the theater and its initial run on DVD is all that matters.

Me personally? Why do I care? Pffft! I could give a rat's patootie. LOL But it makes for interesting discussion. If the film truly bombed (it didn't) you wouldn't HAVE a sequel. Warners made enough coin from the franchise to warrant one, though it hasn't technically been greenlit yet, so I think celebration should be kept to a minimum until folks are standing in line at the theater with tickets in hand.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

They hate Superman? Hmm. That's a new one. I can understand not being interested or entertained by the character or the genre as a whole, but hating Superman? Um... why is that?

Well they mainly see all the stupid aspects of Superman and non of the postives. The laugh at his glasses desguise and that he works with reporters who can't tell that they are the same guy. Plus they watch the first Superman Movie and see Superman struggle to catch up with the two missles but ten minutes late flys around the Earth like 100 times a second. They also don't like who in the two first Superman movies he never faces in conseguences, he turns back time and the kiss.

Lois and Clark they just didn't like all the cheesy bits and they also don't like Smallville, they've never given a real reason for this, it just doesn't interest them.

But the core reason I think is his power, they aren't interested in someone who can do anything, the fact that the hero they prefer most is Spider-Man the guy who really struggles the most.

 

[Binker]

Oh great, not this again. Look, while I have read that and believe Singer will deliever that with the sequel, it was Pirates 2 that made SR lose out in the BO. I think thats the reason why Jult is the month TDK is coming out instead of June. Maybe it'll be the same once work begins for SR2.

But WB and Singer know the problems that came from SR and they'd be stupid not the fix them, which they stated they will.

Why can't people just shut up about all this and let it go?

 

[buggs0268]

There was a reason the last one was closed. First valid complaint gets this thread nixed as well. I recommend you all behave.

Yeah, I got a valid complaint, and why this thread should be closed just like it's predecessors.

It's author's theory is that the movie did not do the box office it was expected to, and really underperformed, based on it's release date. This is the third (but there might have been more) almost exact thread like this that this guy made. And it is blaming SR's bad performance at the B.O. on the date it was released. I have already shown that there have been multiple movies released on or just before the July 4th date that went on to be the biggest money maker of that year, or within the top 10 for that year, in the previous similar threads. But here we go again. MIB 1 & 2, Independance Day, Spiderman 2, Terminator 2, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Armegeddon, Apollo 13, Forrest Gump (2 days after) , The Firm, Die Hard 2, and others. That is only going back from here to 1990. It is a date that many studios fight over to get, and Warner's was the one who got it. Then they moved the release date a few days earlier to capitalize on the benefit of releasing a movie on that date. And now, for some reason, with the track record of all of the movies that have been released on that date becoming the biggest money makers of that year, Excel thinks it is the reason for it's downfall (one of the many excuses that he has given) and not the glaring truth that the movie did not resonate with the audience, did not have good Word of mouth, and died a horrible death, as it deserved to. Excel, if it truly is that that is a bad date for movie releases, then why have so many other movies succeeded being released on that date, and why is it all of a sudden SR is now in the grand scheme of cosmic space and time a victim to it?

How many excuses (made up or otherwise) will we have to read posts about from the people who liked this movie? How about the real excuse. It underperformed because it was not what the public wanted in a Superman movie. It lacked action and a story to draw them in. It had lapses of logic and plot holes. It was a self admitted chick flick and not an action flick. It did not have 1/10 of the charm and chemistry that the Donner films had. It had very little action. It did not resonate with people and it is evident from B.O. that it had bad legs and W.O.M.. Even in foreign territories, it would open up strong or mildy strong the first week, and then experience a big drop the following week. It did not connect with people. You guys feel it had quality. A lot of people thought it really lacked in that department. The CGI was also obviously CGI. It just failed to connect with the movie going audience. That is the real reason.

Drakon, please close this thread. It is a re-packaging of other threads that have been argued to death in the past. Furthermore, it's theme states an explanation when it is just mis-guided theory and not fact.

 

[buggs0268]

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[Armand Z Trip]

Yeah, I got a valid complaint, and why this thread should be closed just like it's predecessors.

It's author's theory is that the movie did not do the box office it was expected to, and really underperformed, based on it's release date. This is the third (but there might have been more) almost exact thread like this that this guy made. And it is blaming SR's bad performance at the B.O. on the date it was released. I have already shown that there have been multiple movies released on or just before the July 4th date that went on to be the biggest money maker of that year, or within the top 10 for that year, in the previous similar threads. But here we go again. MIB 1 & 2, Independance Day, Spiderman 2, Terminator 2, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Armegeddon, Apollo 13, Forrest Gump (2 days after) , The Firm, Die Hard 2, and others. That is only going back from here to 1990. It is a date that many studios fight over to get, and Warner's was the one who got it. Then they moved the release date a few days earlier to capitalize on the benefit of releasing a movie on that date. And now, for some reason, with the track record of all of the movies that have been released on that date becoming the biggest money makers of that year, Excel thinks it is the reason for it's downfall (one of the many excuses that he has given) and not the glaring truth that the movie did not resonate with the audience, did not have good Word of mouth, and died a horrible death, as it deserved to. Excel, if it truly is that that is a bad date for movie releases, then why have so many other movies succeeded being released on that date, and why is it all of a sudden SR is now in the grand scheme of cosmic space and time a victim to it?

How many excuses (made up or otherwise) will we have to read posts about from the people who liked this movie? How about the real excuse. It underperformed because it was not what the public wanted in a Superman movie. It lacked action and a story to draw them in. It had lapses of logic and plot holes. It was a self admitted chick flick and not an action flick. It did not have 1/10 of the charm and chemistry that the Donner films had. It had very little action. It did not resonate with people and it is evident from B.O. that it had bad legs and W.O.M.. Even in foreign territories, it would open up strong or mildy strong the first week, and then experience a big drop the following week. It did not connect with people. You guys feel it had quality. A lot of people thought it really lacked in that department. The CGI was also obviously CGI. It just failed to connect with the movie going audience. That is the real reason.

Drakon, please close this thread. It is a re-packaging of other threads that have been argued to death in the past. Furthermore, it's theme states an explanation when it is just mis-guided theory and not fact.

So much anger!!! And at 2:00am no less! Dude, let it go, just let it go. This thread is another defense of SR's box office based on release date? Wrong again Hans, do you wanna go for double jeopardy where the scores can really change? You open by saying this is all opinion, then close with stating it is misguided theory and not fact.

Excel's post states what happened with SR's box office after the box office juggernaut POTC: Drunk Man Falls Down came out. Did you notice all the little numbers? All those facts? Not to disparage the greatness of Armageddon or The Firm, but they didn't open against drunk man did they? The opinion part of his post, you seemed to miss this, reads open 7/4 and have more action, more appeal to women and children, a less somber tone. Opinion yes, misguided no.

Why all the chick flick, CGI, plot hole, word of mouth, romantic chemistry complaints (again) in a BO thread? Let it go dude, lighten up.

 

[El Payaso]

You thought S-M1 was terrible? Ooookay.

Pretty much, yeah. Corny dialogues, bad one-liners, crappy Green Goblin, crappy CGI, predicatble to boredom script.

It's not about making a kid's film; it's about appealing to kids as well as adults. The Incredibles, anybody?

Ok, they can rent The Incredibles and leave maturity for Superman.

Huh? We're NOT talking about making a film for children; we're talking about making a film that appeals to them as well as their parents. There's a difference.

I don't even think Singer was thinking of children or anyone when he was making SR. He just made a good Superman movie. I mean, too bad if kids need more lightness.

But I don't think appealing to a bigger audience makes a movie any better. Just a bigger BO result.

 

[buggs0268]

So much anger!!! And at 2:00am no less! Dude, let it go, just let it go. This thread is another defense of SR's box office based on release date? Wrong again Hans, do you wanna go for double jeopardy where the scores can really change? You open by saying this is all opinion, then close with stating it is misguided theory and not fact.

Excel's post states what happened with SR's box office after the box office juggernaut POTC: Drunk Man Falls Down came out. Did you notice all the little numbers? All those facts? Not to disparage the greatness of Armageddon or The Firm, but they didn't open against drunk man did they? The opinion part of his post, you seemed to miss this, reads open 7/4 and have more action, more appeal to women and children, a less somber tone. Opinion yes, misguided no.

Why all the chick flick, CGI, plot hole, word of mouth, romantic chemistry complaints (again) in a BO thread? Let it go dude, lighten up.

Ah, who are you. And who are you to tell me lighten up. And Excel is now in his 3rd thread of excuses on why the film severely underperformed at the box office. And all of them parroting either some stupid theory he made up. He also has a habbit of creating posts called "the Excel theory" and junk. And all of those figures just show that people were not interested in the movie. Had POTC not come out, I doubt SR would have done any better. It did not connect with the audience, and all the other problems caused bad word of mouth. blaming it on a 4th of July weekend release is the stupidest thing I ever heard. It was a top summer film and most studios kill to get their film released on that holiday weekend. It is the next prime real estate after the memorial day weekend. It is when films make a lot of money as people are out, it is summer, hot and people want to sit in a air conditioned theater watching the big summer blockbuster released on that holiday weekend. It is a summer tradition. The only movies that don't make money on that holiday are one that do not connect with the audience and get bad W.O.M.. That is it. Seriously, that is the stupidest, wekest argument-excuse I have heard yet. I have shown a slew of films equal to Superman Returns (one another superhero film of equal caliber) that opened on that date and became most money maker of that year. War of the Worlds opened up on that weekend with all the bad press and it still kicked ass and was in the top 10 for that year. Arguing that release date of the 4th of July weekend is the dumbest thing I ever heard for why the film failed. I can't believe any of you are giving any credence to that theory at all. He has a habit of twisting B.O. numbers to suit his own made up theories. He has a lot of theories post. Just do a search on threads with "The Excel theory" in them. Two months ago the reason it failed was because Singer said the marketing department dropped the ball. Singer forgot that he was in charge of it, and even gloated about being in charge of it while the film was being shot. What is your guy's problem with excepting that. The studio has. The press has. The only ones that haven't are you.

And stop blaming pirates 2. Movies are not guaranteed hits just because they are sequels. There are a lot of examples to back up that fact. Had it been a terrible movie it would have not made the money it did. Had it not connected with the audience it would have not made the money it did and SR still would not have done any better than what it did. It did what id did because it connected with the GA because they liked it and it had good W.O.M. That is it.

And again, who are you? I don't know you, and you are telling me to calm down like we know each other. We don't. And I am not your buddy. I was calm when I wrote the post, and I am calm now. I am just amazed that he came up with this ludicrous theory, and that you guys are arguing for it. It is totally laughable and it just shows how desperate you guys have gotten to try to explain in your mind why this film underperformed greatly. Movie studios are in the business of making money. When a film doesn't amke money, it means it does not connect with the audience. All I can say is at least the hulk fans have seen the light of day on Ang Lee's film. It took them a while but they finally are now seeing where he went wrong. Maybe it will take you guys a few years to see it too. But this is just another stupid thing with you SR liker's. We post something negative about one of your camps stupid theories, and again, we are angry and need to calm down. Are you going to now give me some dumb lecture on the emotion of "hate"? Probably will. You SR lovers throw that in when there is nothing else to say. Oh well, back to delusion land of major holiday weekends being bane for your precious film. First it was "the movie wasn't advertised enough" when it was advertised everywhere. You couldn't watch 15 minutes of TV without seeing the commercial for it. You couldn't go into a store and not see all the food tie ins to it. And now it is that releasing it on the prime day for a studio summer blockbuster to be released is the reason for it's low box office. The same day that so many other studio blockbusters were released and became biggest money maker or the year or in the top 10 of that year. Maybe one day you guys will see the light, stop making up excuses, and accept reality.

 

[AgentPat]

Well they mainly see all the stupid aspects of Superman and non of the positives. The laugh at his glasses disguise and that he works with reporters who can't tell that they are the same guy. Plus they watch the first Superman Movie and see Superman struggle to catch up with the two missiles but ten minutes late flies around the Earth like 100 times a second. They also don't like who in the two first Superman movies he never faces in consequences, he turns back time and the kiss.

Lois and Clark they just didn't like all the cheesy bits and they also don't like Smallville, they've never given a real reason for this, it just doesn't interest them.

But the core reason I think is his power, they aren't interested in someone who can do anything, the fact that the hero they prefer most is Spider-Man the guy who really struggles the most.

Interesting post. Thanks for the reply.

Pretty much, yeah. Corny dialogues, bad one-liners, crappy Green Goblin, crappy CGI, predictable to boredom script.

Well, okay. I'm sooooo not a Spider-Man fan, but I thought the movie was entertaining, and I didn't walk out wanting two hours of my life back, not to mention the 20 bucks in ticket and concessions, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I don't even think Singer was thinking of children or anyone when he was making SR. He just made a good Superman movie. I mean, too bad if kids need more lightness.

I really don't know how to reply to this. It just makes me.... sad.

If these statements hold any validity (Singer doesn't care about his audience), then I think Warners should fire his ass IMMEDIATELY and never hire him EVER again - for ANY film project. Don't EVER darken our doors again! Please?

But I don't think appealing to a bigger audience makes a movie any better. Just a bigger BO result.

This I agree with. It certainly explains the existence of threads like this.

 

[El Payaso]

Well, okay. I'm sooooo not a Spider-Man fan, but I thought the movie was entertaining, and I didn't walk out wanting two hours of my life back, not to mention the 20 bucks in ticket and concessions, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

That's the core of this issue. What bores every one of us. But I find that when a movie is done having children in mind, it all becomes pedictable and unrisky. I must say it shouldn't be like that just because it's intended to entertain kids, but no big superhero movie will be done outside Hollywood and in Hollywood a kid friendly movie always means predictability and cheese.

I really don't know how to reply to this. It just makes me.... sad.

If these statements hold any validity (Singer doesn't care about his audience), then I think Warners should fire his ass IMMEDIATELY and never hire him EVER again - for ANY film project. Don't EVER darken our doors again! Please?

I didn't say he didn't care for the audience, he just didn't have kids in his mind as in thinking what would they like or dislike. And that is the ideal way to direct a movie. A director should have the characters and the story in the first place and then, maybe during the editing process, he can make a little arragments so the movie won't last 4 hours or such.

It is a platitude to say that every director starts making a movie because he wants an audience to enjoy it. That's more than obvious and necessary.

What I say is that he shouldn't make artistic decisions based on what children would like or he'd end like many directors, with corniness all over.

Of course, WB and other studios are valways forcing director's hands. remember that the Saldkins were pissed off because Donner didn't want a campy Superman movie and they were afraid that the audience would get bored at a serious Superman movie. But Donner was all about the product.

This I agree with. It certainly explains the existence of threads like this.

Certainly.

There's no movie, as commertcial as it could be, that had the success for granted.

 

[Spiderine]

The Salkinds definitely wanted more of a campy Superman. Thus the tragedy that was SupermanIII.

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Ah, who are you. And who are you to tell me lighten up. And Excel is now in his 3rd thread of excuses on why the film severely underperformed at the box office. And all of them parroting either some stupid theory he made up. He also has a habbit of creating posts called "the Excel theory" and junk. And all of those figures just show that people were not interested in the movie. Had POTC not come out, I doubt SR would have done any better. It did not connect with the audience, and all the other problems caused bad word of mouth. blaming it on a 4th of July weekend release is the stupidest thing I ever heard. It was a top summer film and most studios kill to get their film released on that holiday weekend. It is the next prime real estate after the memorial day weekend. It is when films make a lot of money as people are out, it is summer, hot and people want to sit in a air conditioned theater watching the big summer blockbuster released on that holiday weekend. It is a summer tradition. The only movies that don't make money on that holiday are one that do not connect with the audience and get bad W.O.M.. That is it. Seriously, that is the stupidest, wekest argument-excuse I have heard yet. I have shown a slew of films equal to Superman Returns (one another superhero film of equal caliber) that opened on that date and became most money maker of that year. War of the Worlds opened up on that weekend with all the bad press and it still kicked ass and was in the top 10 for that year. Arguing that release date of the 4th of July weekend is the dumbest thing I ever heard for why the film failed. I can't believe any of you are giving any credence to that theory at all. He has a habit of twisting B.O. numbers to suit his own made up theories. He has a lot of theories post. Just do a search on threads with "The Excel theory" in them. Two months ago the reason it failed was because Singer said the marketing department dropped the ball. Singer forgot that he was in charge of it, and even gloated about being in charge of it while the film was being shot. What is your guy's problem with excepting that. The studio has. The press has. The only ones that haven't are you.

And stop blaming pirates 2. Movies are not guaranteed hits just because they are sequels. There are a lot of examples to back up that fact. Had it been a terrible movie it would have not made the money it did. Had it not connected with the audience it would have not made the money it did and SR still would not have done any better than what it did. It did what id did because it connected with the GA because they liked it and it had good W.O.M. That is it.

And again, who are you? I don't know you, and you are telling me to calm down like we know each other. We don't. And I am not your buddy. I was calm when I wrote the post, and I am calm now. I am just amazed that he came up with this ludicrous theory, and that you guys are arguing for it. It is totally laughable and it just shows how desperate you guys have gotten to try to explain in your mind why this film underperformed greatly. Movie studios are in the business of making money. When a film doesn't amke money, it means it does not connect with the audience. All I can say is at least the hulk fans have seen the light of day on Ang Lee's film. It took them a while but they finally are now seeing where he went wrong. Maybe it will take you guys a few years to see it too. But this is just another stupid thing with you SR liker's. We post something negative about one of your camps stupid theories, and again, we are angry and need to calm down. Are you going to now give me some dumb lecture on the emotion of "hate"? Probably will. You SR lovers throw that in when there is nothing else to say. Oh well, back to delusion land of major holiday weekends being bane for your precious film. First it was "the movie wasn't advertised enough" when it was advertised everywhere. You couldn't watch 15 minutes of TV without seeing the commercial for it. You couldn't go into a store and not see all the food tie ins to it. And now it is that releasing it on the prime day for a studio summer blockbuster to be released is the reason for it's low box office. The same day that so many other studio blockbusters were released and became biggest money maker or the year or in the top 10 of that year. Maybe one day you guys will see the light, stop making up excuses, and accept reality.

Who am I? I am Armand Z Trip. It says so when I post something. This is the second time I have quoted you, I won't do it again. I tried to explain the difference between opinion and fact and the point of the thread. I don't think of you as a "buddy", I was baiting you and being mean and sarcastic to see if I could get another 1000 word response. Touche Bugsy!! Bravo, you never fail to dissapoint. This time you didn't use the "I have a girlfriend" defense or suggest I joined the Hype under this name to be mean to you, but I guess most jokes lose their power after the first telling. Never stop, you are too funny. Please continue to provide your fascinating insights into CGI, surveys on the ideal male body type, how Spielberg directs an actor to hold a bag of sand and the 4th of July weekend. Party on dude.

 

[Pickle-El]

Save your breath Armand...I went through this with him on various occasions. Always made my night knowing he sat there typing something out for 20 mins because he disliked what I had to say....everytime he replied.

 

[AgentPat]

Save your breath Armand...I went through this with him on various occasions. Always made my night knowing he sat there typing something out for 20 mins because he disliked what I had to say....everytime he replied.

*cough* ....

...I distinctly remember him saying how much he was looking forward to taking a younger relative to SR and seeing the awe on the kid's face. It was ALL about introducing Superman to that child for him, and being witness to the reaction of something wonderful and new. Those comments were made almost two years ago, and now that I think about it, I don't recall that user ever posting about what the boy thought when he finally saw the pic, though I may have missed the post...

<- Still curious, but not holding her breath for a reply.

 

[buggs0268]

Who am I? I am Armand Z Trip. It says so when I post something. This is the second time I have quoted you, I won't do it again. I tried to explain the difference between opinion and fact and the point of the thread. I don't think of you as a "buddy", I was baiting you and being mean and sarcastic to see if I could get another 1000 word response. Touche Bugsy!! Bravo, you never fail to dissapoint. This time you didn't use the "I have a girlfriend" defense or suggest I joined the Hype under this name to be mean to you, but I guess most jokes lose their power after the first telling. Never stop, you are too funny. Please continue to provide your fascinating insights into CGI, surveys on the ideal male body type, how Spielberg directs an actor to hold a bag of sand and the 4th of July weekend. Party on dude.

Wow. So you just admitted that you were baiting me. Wow. So your life is so boring that it has to be filled with baiting me, some guy on a internet superhero site that you don't even know, and will never ever meet, for some need for some perceived glory. Wow. Stay away from sharp objects man. Well at least you confirmed one things that I can point to the mods. That your sole inent of your posting was to bait me. Now when you guys deny it I can point to this as an example.

The "I have a girlfriend" defense? When is having a girlfriend a defense? I guess that is how guys who have no life view it. I thought it was just a statement of a guy who has someone of the opposite sex to share their life with. I guess that is the rest of the worlds definition, but not yours. wow. Never ever would I ever consider that statement a defense. Thanks for setting me straight on that. And here I was thinking it was just a statement of my reality. Now I can go on with my quest for life, love, and the pursuit of happiness.

So let's see. Your post was pointless. You admitted and confirmed that you have on two occassions that you have to bait some guy you don't even know, or should care less about, into a response to fill some deep desired need that only you can call a win. Hmm? You have just confirmed my belief that you have no life. And all over a differing opinion on a superhero movie that even the press and studios have admitted failed to perform at the box office because of it's content and storyline not connecting with the audience. A suit that even FHM goofed on the speedo shorts making Routh look lite in the shorts. Warner Brothers and other magazines confirming the publics reaction due to the Danielle Steele plot for a superhero movie not connecting with an audience. But hey, I mean maybe there is something valid to that stupid July 4th weekend theory that only applies to this film and not a slew of others that have been released on that day and have gone on to be the biggest money makers of that year. A phenomenon that you guys fail to see in the blindness of your rose colored glasses of unreality. I mean, hey, Excel has a theory. A theory he seems to post in multiple threads in this site regarding various superhero movies. He actually posted a quote in one of his posts "it is a well guarded secret that this superhero (forgot which one but it seems like all of them) is one my favorite superheo." Wow, there goes a mystery that I was wondering about solved. I guess I can go to the grave with the knowlege of that non-mystery knowing I have lived a full life and found the secrets to the universe knowing some guy who I could care less about perceived secret regarding his love for a superhero. Wait, in fact, no one here cares two sh**s less about this except excel and his over-bloated ego to think he is the sole driving force of Superhero Hype himself. Is this long enough for you yet? Yeah, stay away from sharp objects if they already haven't made sure to remove them out of your immediate vacinity. That is all I got to say. God, sucks to be you. Well I am going back to bed with my GIRLFRIEND. I have to say that to defend my beliefs on a superhero film. I have to say that so people I could care less if a sattelite dropped out of the sky fell on them because I can't go on with my life without knowing I have your approval. Is this too long yet? How did that guy who wrote Moby Dick pad out that book to get the paid for word gig. Call me Ishmael. Luke, I am your father..and blah blah blah.

Well I guess the next excuse thread is going to be "Superman Returns" box office can be blamed on the theaters not having enough stalls in their bathrooms for viewers, and so that caused people to stay home and miss this film that in 20 years will be considered the new Citizen Kane and on every critics top ten list like you guys think it will. But I will say, reading you guys' post sure does make me laugh at the extremes of being so out of touch with reality. 4th of July is a bad weekend to release a summer film. That just makes me laugh. Wow. The studios have been doing it wrong all these years and Thank god for Superman Return low box office to show them the error of their ways. And god bless you guys, each and every one of you, for having the courage to post this thread and to argue for it. Long enough yet? I can go longer because I really just love to be baited into doing something that some nobody on the internet needs me to do to fullfill some life mission.

 

[C. Lee]

I think you 2 are using the "I am a spoiled brat" defense....calm down kids.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Gee golly, not another one of those everyone loved SR and the sequel will make 500mil post's/threads.

 

[El Payaso]

Gee golly, not another one of those everyone loved SR and the sequel will make 500mil post's/threads.

Gee golly, not another one of those everyone hated SR and the sequel will never happen post's/threads.

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Wow. So you just admitted that you were baiting me. Wow. So your life is so boring that it has to be filled with baiting me, some guy on a internet superhero site that you don't even know, and will never ever meet, for some need for some perceived glory. Wow. Stay away from sharp objects man. Well at least you confirmed one things that I can point to the mods. That your sole inent of your posting was to bait me. Now when you guys deny it I can point to this as an example.

The "I have a girlfriend" defense? When is having a girlfriend a defense? I guess that is how guys who have no life view it. I thought it was just a statement of a guy who has someone of the opposite sex to share their life with. I guess that is the rest of the worlds definition, but not yours. wow. Never ever would I ever consider that statement a defense. Thanks for setting me straight on that. And here I was thinking it was just a statement of my reality. Now I can go on with my quest for life, love, and the pursuit of happiness.

So let's see. Your post was pointless. You admitted and confirmed that you have on two occassions that you have to bait some guy you don't even know, or should care less about, into a response to fill some deep desired need that only you can call a win. Hmm? You have just confirmed my belief that you have no life. And all over a differing opinion on a superhero movie that even the press and studios have admitted failed to perform at the box office because of it's content and storyline not connecting with the audience. A suit that even FHM goofed on the speedo shorts making Routh look lite in the shorts. Warner Brothers and other magazines confirming the publics reaction due to the Danielle Steele plot for a superhero movie not connecting with an audience. But hey, I mean maybe there is something valid to that stupid July 4th weekend theory that only applies to this film and not a slew of others that have been released on that day and have gone on to be the biggest money makers of that year. A phenomenon that you guys fail to see in the blindness of your rose colored glasses of unreality. I mean, hey, Excel has a theory. A theory he seems to post in multiple threads in this site regarding various superhero movies. He actually posted a quote in one of his posts "it is a well guarded secret that this superhero (forgot which one but it seems like all of them) is one my favorite superheo." Wow, there goes a mystery that I was wondering about solved. I guess I can go to the grave with the knowlege of that non-mystery knowing I have lived a full life and found the secrets to the universe knowing some guy who I could care less about perceived secret regarding his love for a superhero. Wait, in fact, no one here cares two sh**s less about this except excel and his over-bloated ego to think he is the sole driving force of Superhero Hype himself. Is this long enough for you yet? Yeah, stay away from sharp objects if they already haven't made sure to remove them out of your immediate vacinity. That is all I got to say. God, sucks to be you. Well I am going back to bed with my GIRLFRIEND. I have to say that to defend my beliefs on a superhero film. I have to say that so people I could care less if a sattelite dropped out of the sky fell on them because I can't go on with my life without knowing I have your approval. Is this too long yet? How did that guy who wrote Moby Dick pad out that book to get the paid for word gig. Call me Ishmael. Luke, I am your father..and blah blah blah.

Well I guess the next excuse thread is going to be "Superman Returns" box office can be blamed on the theaters not having enough stalls in their bathrooms for viewers, and so that caused people to stay home and miss this film that in 20 years will be considered the new Citizen Kane and on every critics top ten list like you guys think it will. But I will say, reading you guys' post sure does make me laugh at the extremes of being so out of touch with reality. 4th of July is a bad weekend to release a summer film. That just makes me laugh. Wow. The studios have been doing it wrong all these years and Thank god for Superman Return low box office to show them the error of their ways. And god bless you guys, each and every one of you, for having the courage to post this thread and to argue for it. Long enough yet? I can go longer because I really just love to be baited into doing something that some nobody on the internet needs me to do to fullfill some life mission.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh My God. Too funny.

 

[mclay18]

buggs, my man, you are too funny for words. Geez, grow a pair and go away before your dignity is completely lost.

You have an opinion (everyone does), but just accept that SR will most likely have a sequel. You can choose not to see it when it comes out and pretend it doesn't exist.

BTW, the poster who started this thread, good analogy. A bit lengthy, but thought out nonetheless. Wish I could say the same for buggs.