Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[WorthyStevens]

We agree. Where were they opening weekend when it was doing pretty good ? Nowhere to be found, none of them. Then when the bottom falls out, they come around like ambulance chasers. Why I discount anything they have to say.

Um, I was here:

This isn't a disappointing opening. The problem was, fans were making unrealistic expectations of the OW that they never should have had. Most professional analysts were predicting even lower than the original's OW.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=266923&page=48

 

[Carp Man]

Um, I was here:



http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=266923&page=48

I stand corrected. t:

 

[WorthyStevens]

I am biased, but unlike some I admit it. If I don't like it for whatever reason seems right to me, I'll tell you from the gate. If Vile, and you want to come and say I hate the FF 2 movie, I hate the FF franchise that would be ok. You just want to come and argue. Come out of the closet, and let your real intentions be known. Tell us how you really feel about the FF franchise, and Marvel in general. Stop being wussies.

I hated it?

This movie was actually good. There were some aspects of it that had room for improvement (line delivery wasn't always up to par), but it had a good story to it and even more shocking, had rhythm and flow to it.

One major fault I had with the movie was...

Spoiler

Torch's love storyline was, I thought, a waste. Sure, he got the girl in the end but it just didn't feel complete. The heart to heart with Ben was a good conversation, but it just didn't go anywhere.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=274669&page=17

 

[Kelly]

That wasn't my point. Fans expected too high of a gross this weekend. I expect FOX to make better movies, but I don't get depressed and feel the sky is failing if the movie doesn't open to an ungodly amount (unless you're in the big 3).

Way to read my words correctly

BINGO.....I guess I don't understand why people can't just enjoy the movie, or not. If you don't, then go and find movies that you did enjoy. I was totally disappointed with the first FF movie, but I was willing to give it a 2nd chance. I enjoyed the hell out of this one. If I didn't.....as I said many times before, I would have moved on....it wouldn't have gotten my time as far as discussion time...I would have done my time here, but the constant regurgitating of some is just getting tiring....its been debated. And its from both ends of the spectrum....neither end has spent much time discussing why they enjoyed it or didn't....they just keep debating the same thing over and over again......*sighs*......it was kind of funny at first, kind of entertaining even.....now its just a dead horse.....and its beginning to smell.

 

[Carp Man]

Well put. I go to watch the movie. I don't give 2 cents about box office, ( it is cool to discuss and go back and forth about ), who has the rights, what critics think, how it was made, or anything else. If I come out of the showing, and feel I got my moneys worth, then that's all that matters, or should matter. t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Tviceman, and Vile, we will consider the source. Anyone who says, and anyone who supports the FF 2's competition, was weeker then FF's therory, and the reason it has underperformed is soley because the 1st one was not good, has got rocks in their head, and a huge bias. The competition was a hell of a lot more fierce, and doing 130 dispite that is good. Release this film another time of the year, and it would do as well if not better than the 1st. Right movie, better movie, wrong release time. It's not a summertime block buster franchise, and Marvel, or Fox had better realise that.

DH4 came out in the middle of TF, Ratatouille and HP and still made as much money as FF2, try again Carp b/c Worthy shot holes in this one.

You keep making eronious statements.

Die Hard With A Vengeance. 1995. $ 100,012,499. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 151,283,274. Die Hard or Live Free $ 130,246,000. Sequel less then the last movie.

Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire. 2005 $ 290,013,036. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 298,169,652. Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix $ 260,790,000 to date. Sequel less then the last movie.

The Bourne Supremacy. 2004. $ 176,241,941. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 186,742,669. We'll have to see about the sequel.

So as useual you are all wet. It's the year of sequels underperforming their predisessors. It's not just FF 2. See Spider-Man 3 compaired to Spider-Man 2, and Pirates 3 compaired to Pirates 2, for further examples

Oooooooooo this is hilarious coming from the same guy that said inflation was nonsense when discussing FF vs STM

 

[highguard]

I hated it?



http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=274669&page=17

Your point about things not feeling complete and all is exactly how I felt about a number of scenes. As an example when the teaser was released I was very eager to see the resolution on how the torch would be saved. Well he saved himself as we expected but there seemed to be a lack of tension to the that scene.

That seemed to be the case with a lot of scenes. The fight with Doom ended when Ben hit him with a crane and knocked him into the river. That seemed unfinished. The Galactus battle with the Silver Surfer seemed unfinished. If those sequences seemed brief, no wonder they did not even bother to show any meaningful conversation between Johnny and frankie that would help to explain the ending scene where all of a sudden she caught the flowers. This just seemed to be the way this movie went, it seemed unfinished, that is why the fact that it was not open ended at the end in order to set up a final conflict with Galactus is puzzling.

I can only assume that this decision was made in order to facilitate the runtime or whatever, it all seems somewhat as if the suits unbalanced this movie.

That is just how you felt about the movie overall, you left with the feeling like you did not get enough of what you wanted.

This I think was a deliberate attempt by the studio in terms of running time and drama.

For the hardcore fans it is going to be hard to generate the buzz for a sequel.

Worse it sucks that here we are defending the film's BO, all of this was so unnecessary. Hmm, what is Fox doing that is causing their movies to be front loaded all the time. Simpsons, Xmen, FF2 fell hard.......hmmmmmm.

Someone should do a study on these guys.

 

[Silver Knight]

The movies made $239,836,265 worldwide. How much did the original take in?

 

[GL's Light]

You keep making eronious statements.

Die Hard With A Vengeance. 1995. $ 100,012,499. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 151,283,274. Die Hard or Live Free $ 130,246,000. Sequel less then the last movie.

Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire. 2005 $ 290,013,036. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 298,169,652. Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix $ 260,790,000 to date. Sequel less then the last movie.

The Bourne Supremacy. 2004. $ 176,241,941. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 186,742,669. We'll have to see about the sequel.

So you now fully endorse adjusting the box office of older films to make comparisons to new ones. Good to know for future reference.

 

[Theweepeople]

From what I remember five weeks ago after I made my prediction that fantastic four 2 would make 125-130million many people called me crazy. It looks like my prediction was pretty darn accurate.t:

 

[GL's Light]

The movies made $239,836,265 worldwide. How much did the original take in?

$ 330 million.

 

[TheVileOne]

You keep making eronious statements.

Die Hard With A Vengeance. 1995. $ 100,012,499. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 151,283,274. Die Hard or Live Free $ 130,246,000. Sequel less then the last movie.

In the face of "STIFF COMPETITION" it still managed to make more than FF2, and it's still making in the millions over the weekend. Worldwide it has done close to $310 million, which FF2 has not come close to cracking.

Considering it's a 4th movie in a fairly old franchise that's last movie came out 12 years ago, that's pretty good business. I don't think anyone expected it to make over $200 million.

Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire. 2005 $ 290,013,036. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 298,169,652. Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix $ 260,790,000 to date. Sequel less then the last movie.

So what? In a summer of such STIFF COMPETITION, the movie is not underperforming at all. Why? The movie is already going to top the gross of the last Potter movie that came out over the summer in 2004. Not to mention that these movies are coming out less than two years apart. Keeping that in mind they've showed MASSIVE staying power.

UNDERPERFORMING for this movie would be making much less than Azkaban, the last summer Potter film, or making under $200 million in the US, and less than $500 million worldwide.

Currently ORDER OF THE PHOENIX is bound to get up to over $275 million in the US and over $800 million worldwide. That is GREAT business and not underperforming at all for this franchise.

The Bourne Supremacy. 2004. $ 176,241,941. 2007 adjusted #'s $ 186,742,669. We'll have to see about the sequel.

Underperforming would've meant it would open with terrible reviews and have about a $50-55 million opening instead of $70 million.

So as useual you are all wet. It's the year of sequels underperforming their predisessors. It's not just FF 2. See Spider-Man 3 compaired to Spider-Man 2, and Pirates 3 compaired to Pirates 2, for further examples

I'll acknowledge many movies underperformed this summer. Why? Two many sequels and too many big ass movies every week basically meant the studios were cannibalizing each other. Putting Spidey 3, Shrek 3, and Pirates 3 all in the month of May was a big ass mistake.

But then what happened? You had Ratatouille, Transformers, Live Free Or Die Hard, Simpsons, Harry Potter, Knocked Up, and Bourne Ultimatum all come out, many getting very good reviews and doing generally great business.

Shrek 3, I mean you can say it made less than the first one, but it's made ****ING $320 million in the US and over $700 million worldwide. More than the first one by far. And you know, that DOESN'T ****ING HAPPEN A LOT! Movies making over $300 million you know? I hated Shrek 3, but the movie did NOT do bad business at all. When a $160 million movie does $320 million US, and over $700 million worldwide that's really NOT bad business. Sure it's less than the second one which did huge business in '04 but that was surprising. But for the second one to still make that much next to all the STIFF COMPETITION, it did fine.

viceman is simply stating that for the first and second weekend, FF2 really had those weekends all to itself. In it's second weekend it couldn't even stand up to the opening of EVAN ALMIGHTY, one of the biggest bombs of the summer.

 

[Kelly]

OMG.........people stooooooooooooooooooooooooop typing.....lol.....take a vacation, get a beer (if your of age), go take a walk, or better yet.....FIND A NEW FREAKING SUBJECT.

 

[GL's Light]

According to Deadline Hollywood, The Simpsons Movie has made $ 315.5 million worldwide already. That's already over 4 times its $ 75 mil production budget. Fox is going to score major profits on this one.

 

[Spade]

Ultimately, it will be the long silence or the gears of pre-production on FF3 that answers this big sequel question. I'm inclined to say the former, and I can guess at one person who won't like that...

 

[Mr. Socko]

Rise of the Surfer's main competition was FF1. And now if they make a third, it will more than likely make even less than the second which made less than the first. The audience is diminishing. What percent of the general audience that saw Rise of the Surfer will say "wow, I really want to see a sequel to that"

 

[Spade]

Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk will probably bring even less audience tolerance for it. Ghost Rider showed that the campy comedic approach doesn't catch like wildfire.

 

[GreenKToo]

From what I remember five weeks ago after I made my prediction that fantastic four 2 would make 125-130million many people called me crazy. It looks like my prediction was pretty darn accurate.t:

I thought at least 150 mill, and I was worried that I underguessed it at that.

 

[Kelly]

The movies made $239,836,265 worldwide. How much did the original take in?

330 million, it will probably end up making around 60 million less than the first....

 

[Kelly]

From what I remember five weeks ago after I made my prediction that fantastic four 2 would make 125-130million many people called me crazy. It looks like my prediction was pretty darn accurate.t:

Had you made that prediction BEFORE the movie came out I'd say good guess....but 5 weeks ago, many were making that prediction, it wasn't hard to see it was going to massively underperform....theres only 4 people that made the right prediction for domestic.

 

[Theweepeople]

Had you made that prediction BEFORE the movie came out I'd say good guess.....

I don't care if you think my guess was good or not. I do care that I was right when 80% of the people posting here thought I was insane for making my prediction.

but 5 weeks ago, many were making that prediction, it wasn't hard to see it was going to massively underperform....theres only 4 people that made the right prediction for domestic.

First, of all I made this prediction the first weekend when it made more than the first film. Secondly, it wasn't easy to determine that this film would underperform. I remember only a few posters in this forum predicting it would be a disappointment. Almost everyone in here thought it was much better than the first and would make no less than the same amount of FF1. Many thought it would make more than the first film. The fact that only 4 people made the right prediction proves my point.

 

[danoyse]

From what I remember five weeks ago after I made my prediction that fantastic four 2 would make 125-130million many people called me crazy. It looks like my prediction was pretty darn accurate.t:

Congratulations. Would you like a cookie?

 

[Kelly]

I don't care if you think my guess was good or not. I do care that I was right when 80% of the people posting here thought I was insane for making my prediction.



First, of all I made this prediction the first weekend when it made more than the first film. Secondly, it wasn't easy to determine that this film would underperform. I remember only a few posters in this forum predicting it would be a disappointment. Almost everyone in here thought it was much better than the first and would make no less than the same amount of FF1. Many thought it would make more than the first film. The fact that only 4 people made the right prediction proves my point.

What?.....lmao......Carp and AD constitutes 80%.....good lord.

You said 5 weeks ago..would mean 3 weeks after the release.....I remember you talking around the opening, but I remember it at 150 mill domestic, not 130.....its been out for 8 weeks.....if it was 5 weeks ago....by that time it was very obvious that it wasn't going to hit what the first made......hardly anyone had said differently.....some said that it would make up some in the international area because of where it hadn't opened....but I said 285 mill weeks ago for WW.....and it may not even hit that......so your revelation really wasn't much of a revelation to most.....as I said, the "4", that made the prediction BEFORE the movie came out, are really the only ones that got it right.....


Also, thinking it was better than the first.....does not mean we don't think its a BO disappointment, we aren't stupid......we think it is better than the first, because for the most part it was, as has been stated by most reviews, and fans......but yes the BO is a disappointment, but that does not take away the fact that I and others enjoyed the movie......up until coming to this site in 2004, I could careless what the BO was, as much as I did the reviews of a movie, I'd simply go and make my own mind up....BO means alot to the studio, doesn't mean anything as to why I enjoyed or didn't enjoy a movie.....

 

[Theweepeople]

What?.....lmao......Carp and AD constitutes 80%.....good lord

No. What does constitute a great percentage of people who thought the movie would make well over 130million are the number of posters who actually voted on how much Fantastic four 2 would make. 87% of the people who contributed to the FF2 box office poll predicted that FF2 would make 140 and greater so you are right about my initial percentage being off except it was in the opposite direction from what you suggested.

You said 5 weeks ago..would mean 3 weeks after the release.....I remember you talking around the opening, but I remember it at 150 mill domestic, not 130.....its been out for 8 weeks.....if it was 5 weeks ago....by that time it was very obvious that it wasn't going to hit what the first made......hardly anyone had said differently.....some said that it would make up some in the international area because of where it hadn't opened....but I said 285 mill weeks ago for WW.....and it may not even hit that......so your revelation really wasn't much of a revelation to most.....as I said, the "4", that made the prediction BEFORE the movie came out, are really the only ones that got it right.....

Thanks for correcting me. I actually made my prediction on 6-16-2007 at 11:29AM. Below is the link if you don't believe me:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php? p=11888977#post11888977

Also, thinking it was better than the first.....does not mean we don't think its a BO disappointment, we aren't stupid......we think it is better than the first, because for the most part it was, as has been stated by most reviews, and fans......but yes the BO is a disappointment, but that does not take away the fact that I and others enjoyed the movie......up until coming to this site in 2004, I could careless what the BO was, as much as I did the reviews of a movie, I'd simply go and make my own mind up....BO means alot to the studio, doesn't mean anything as to why I enjoyed or didn't enjoy a movie.....

The point I made was that most of the people posting in this thread during the weekend of FF2's release were convinced it would make no less than the first film and the poll results prove my theory. I can't remember anyone who liked this movie expressing concern about FF2's final domestic gross during the first week of it's release.

 

[Mr. Socko]

330 million, it will probably end up making around 60 million less than the first....

Damn, and it had a budget about $30-40 Million larger.

I wonder who's going to get blamed...