Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

^^ The Studio will blame the summer competition or Tim Story or both.

The fans will blame the above and the studio possibly.

It all depends on who you talk to.

There is a running debate on what is the number one reason for it disappointing, it is anyone's guess right now.

My thoughts are that they should have been more faithful to the source.

What they came up with was not an improvement.

The Galactus representation for instance was impressive but it was not Galactus.

It is all rather confusing on some levels.
 
Damn, and it had a budget about $30-40 Million larger.

I wonder who's going to get blamed...

Yeah but it made about 25 million more in product placement. :)

Next weeks will be a big on internationlly for FF3 with 3 big openings.

Other overseas cume updates: UI's "Knocked Up," $15.4 million; WBI's "Ocean's Thirteen," $162.4 million; UI's "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry," $1.8 million; Fox's "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer," $111 million; Sony's "Surf's Up," $7.4 million; UI's "Mr. Bean's Holiday," $187.6 million; and Sony's "Vacancy," $8 million.
 
^^ An additional 25 million in product placement, that is good news.

How are those deals structured, does Marvel get the majority of the money?
 
I think it was about 21 million with over 30% coming from Dodge. James Bond is famous for this. Marvel wouldn't get that money...Fox would I imagine. However other companies that want to use the Fantastic Four to promote their product while the film is released...pay Marvel. That's why The Hulk francise is so important to Marvel. The Hulk sells the most toys and merchandise...period. Even if the film barely breaks even...it should sell hundreds of milions of dollars in toys and extend the franchise. That's why I'm so happy Marvel got those rights back.
 
So you now fully endorse adjusting the box office of older films to make comparisons to new ones. Good to know for future reference.

Nope. If it mets my needs than it is ok. I still think inflation #'s are bunk, but in this situation it is justified. Spin the #'s baby, spin. Fact is in adjusted #'s all sequels have fallen short of their predicessors. That's all adjusted #'s are good for.
 
Nope. If it mets my needs than it is ok. I still think inflation #'s are bunk, but in this situation it is justified.

Inflation is not bunk. It's important as is the changing marketplace. You just can't compare a film from the 70's or 80's to one now even after adjusting for inflation. It's not a level field.
 
So basically theres no chance for a FF3?

:csad:

Fantastic Four 3 was not dependent on the film making the same amount of money as the 1st. International #'s are far from finished. The DVD will surely sell MORE than the original and even if it didn't Fox will not give up the rights so they have to make more Fantastic Four and/or Silver Surfer films to keep them. Period. So yes...the franchise will continue.
 
^^ There is a good chance if it ends up making like 300 million. We just don't know the numbers that Fox are looking at.

GL said a multiplier of 2.4 is usually what gets a film greenlit. That would require about 312 million, I am not sure if it has a chance of doing that, it would have to get like 100 million from the remaining markets, not gonna happen.

However I think if it gets close to 300 million it has a good chance.
 
Oooooooooo this is hilarious coming from the same guy that said inflation was nonsense when discussing FF vs STM:whatever:

It's still nonsense to try to adjust the #'s of a film made in 77, and then try to make a compairsion to a film made 28 years later. It was a different time. There was no internet, no Netflix, no Blockbuster, no DVD's, the VCR was still in it's infenacy. Piracy was unheard of. Gas prices were about a buck a gallon. A ticket was $ 2.23. Just a different time.
 
^ Not only that but there were FAR less films being released. There weren't blockbusters being released every weekend. That's why the original Superman & Batman film made so damn much money and Batman Begins (if you adjust for inflation) didn't even come close to it. Spider-Man is just the most popular character as far as comic book films go so it's in a league by itself for the time being. If that film was released back in a marketplace like the 1970's or early 1980's it would have made so much more. It's just not the same. Not to mention the video games and online gaming, and the internet itself were not competition for film and VHS tapes were not only expensive but took forever to come out.
 
Nope. If it mets my needs than it is ok.
I thought you'd say something like that. Well, if you're simply going to slide back and forth and have no consistency to your positions then it's not really worth people taking the time to engage with you is it?

As for applying inflation, there are factors that cut both ways. There were less entertainment options, less piracy and films played for longer in the past. On the other hand, modern films have the advantage of playing to a much bigger population in a marketplace with far more theaters and much bigger marketing campaigns. If you want to directly compare box office of films separated over the years you have to take inflation into account.

If you adjust the box office of the films from 20-30 years ago you'll find that most films today make as much money, if not more. The comparison only loses shape if you go back as far as the 60s, 50s and earlier.
 
As of August 2 , this is the box office:

$130,004,088

Release Date: June 15, 2007

So they've made a 4,000 profit so far??

I think it's a safe bet that there will be no more FF films. If there are a new director must take the helm.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticfour2.htm

LOL. LOL. LOL. You don't understand. LOL. LOL. LOL. Let me educate you here. 55 % of the WW take goes to the studio's. It has made $ 239,836,265 WW so far. So $ 239,836,265 X 55 % = $ 131,909,946 so far. So it has made $ 1,909,946 so far. And more then that because the studio gets theirs up front. Most of the box office take now goes to the theaters. However it still has 15 markets overseas to open in yet. There's more to come plus DVD sales, plus cable, plus regular tv, plus toy tie ins. It will make enough profit for a sequel when the last penny is counted.
 
As of August 2 , this is the box office:

$130,004,088

So they've made a 4,000 profit so far??
No, the studio gets roughly 55% of the box office, with the other 45% going to the theaters. There are also marketing and distribution costs, which run into tens of millions of dollars, to cover.
 
'Bourne Ultimatum' Accepted
by Brandon Gray
August 5, 2007


Though the camera work is shaky as ever, Jason Bourne remained steady in his third outing, delivering the best initial grosses of the series. The Bourne Ultimatum commanded an estimated $70.2 million on approximately 5,200 screens at 3,660 theaters, driven by the good will and intrigue that its predecessors generated and a marketing campaign that promised a thrilling closure.

Handily topping the weekend, The Bourne Ultimatum logged the highest-grossing opening for a spy thriller and for an August release, ahead of Rush Hour 2's $67.4 million. Although, adjusted for ticket price inflation, Rush Hour 2 is still the champ as its start would equal nearly $80 million today.

The previous picture, The Bourne Supremacy, opened to $52.5 million and closed with $176.2 million, while the original, The Bourne Identity, started with $27.1 million and ended with $121.7 million. The Bourne Ultimatum's production budget bulked up to well over $100 million, compared to $75 million for Supremacy and $60 million for Identity.

Bourne distributor Universal Pictures' Saturday night exit polling indicated that 96 percent of The Bourne Ultimatum's audience had previously seen The Bourne Identity and 94 percent The Bourne Supremacy. Furthermore, it suggested that moviegoers generally liked Ultimatum better than Supremacy with a 66 percent "excellent" rating for Ultimatum versus a 44 percent "excellent" for Supremacy when it opened.

Nationwide holdovers dropped a steep 53 percent on average, compared to the low 40 percent range of recent weekends. Hairspray had the smallest dip and it was still down 41 percent. It scored an estimated $9.3 million for $79 million in 17 days and could become one of the ten most attended musicals of the past 30 years.

Last weekend's leader, The Simpsons Movie, collapsed by 65 percent to an estimated $25.6 million, though it became the highest-grossing animated television adaptation with $128.6 million in ten days. A massive fall was expected for the cartoon feature as its first weekend alone exhausted the fan base, posting greater viewership than an average first run episode of the series.

After spending weeks as one of the best holding wide releases, Live Free or Die Hard plummeted 61 percent to an estimated $2.2 million. The action sequel took a big hit in its theater and screen counts, leading to a 55 percent drop in the number of showings. Its 40-day haul is $130.2 million.

Closer to their established ranges, the market's current biggest blockbusters, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and Transformers, were down about 48 percent apiece. Order of the Phoenix leads its predecessors through the same point, while Transformers remains in the running to surpass Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End as the third-biggest grosser of the summer.

Aside from The Bourne Ultimatum, new releases were soft. Disney's Underdog landed with an estimated $12 million at 3,013 sites, which was middle of the pack among dog movies and below par for a talking animal picture. Much worse were the comedies Hot Rod and BRATZ with openings of an estimated $5 million and $4.3 million, respectively.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2364&p=.htm
 
Weekend actuals are in. Lets do the Monday look at most of the movies :

FF 2 :

Domestic: $130,305,363 54.3%+ Foreign: $109,832,177 45.7%= Worldwide: $240,137,540

TBU :

Domestic: $69,283,690 100.0%+ Foreign: n/a 0.0%= Worldwide: $69,283,690

TSM :

Domestic: $128,060,578 54.3%+ Foreign: $107,719,942 45.7%= Worldwide: $235,780,520

HP :

Domestic: $261,027,397 33.9%+ Foreign: $510,000,000 66.1%= Worldwide: $771,027,397

TF's :

Domestic: $296,379,328 50.1%+ Foreign: $294,989,647 49.9%= Worldwide: $591,368,975

Pirates :

Domestic: $307,318,071 32.3%+ Foreign: $644,484,000 67.7%= Worldwide: $951,802,071

SM 3 :

Domestic: $336,279,383 37.8%+ Foreign: $553,537,833 62.2%= Worldwide: $889,817,216
 
Few updated overseas #'s :

TF's :

Domestic: $296,379,328 50.1%+ Foreign: $294,989,647 49.9%= Worldwide: $591,368,975

Thru Aug 5th (overseas #'s)

HP :

Domestic: $261,027,397 33.9%+ Foreign: $510,000,000 66.1%= Worldwide: $771,027,397

Thru Aug. 5th (overseas #'s) $ 19.468 ahead of HP 1. HP 1 did not hit $ 261 domestic till day 37. HP 5 on day 26.
 

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