Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[Yurka]

where is that idea coming from?

Yeah, but there's not been any official reports that say that's what happened. The closest thing I've heard to that effect is the "report" that Osama's daughter said that. If I recall correctly that report came from the folks in Pakistan who are on the line for letting Osama live there in the first place after getting caught with their pants down.

The daughters story was most likely fabricated or encouraged by those around her, but I don't think its a very far fetched "conspiracy".

The only information we know is that he didn't put his hands up when they asked him to surrender, he didn't pull for a gun, but was still resisting somehow. I'm not attempting to second guess extremely highly-trained SEALs but I think they were able to get him in their custody, at least for a moment, then kill him.

That and them choosing not to release the pictures, when some describe the pictures as UBL having a "massive" hole in his forehead. Which makes me think its an exit wound.

 

[Kelly]

I will say that OF COURSE, if it meant the death of "one" Seal.....then the "kill" order is OF COURSE taken.....but I do not believe that there was "only" a "kill" order....not at all.

 

[Calvin]

When I say near the corpse I mean within reaching proximity of it.



My mistake, it does not mention Bin Laden's corpse, but the other three. None the less, all reports (even the official ones) have indicated that Bin Laden was unarmed.

Dude, guns in the same room as the modern day Joker/Lex Luthor is definitely within reaching proximity. If there are guns in the room, who's to say he didn't have a concealed weapon? Hell, even if there weren't visible guns in the room, who's to say he didn't have a concealed weapon. This is a guy that's lived ten years running from this, I'm really really surprised he didn't have a hidden gun on him at all times. As a soldier I'd definitely assume he did. And I'd try to shoot him even quicker than the SEALS did. Emphasis on try though, I'm sure I'd forget the safety.

 

[roach]

When I say near the corpse I mean within reaching proximity of it.



My mistake, it does not mention Bin Laden's corpse, but the other three. None the less, all reports (even the official ones) have indicated that Bin Laden was unarmed.

we dont know where his body was when it was shot and where it fell. If I am breaching a room and someone is going for a weapon...regardless if its ringht next to them or within a few steps they are going down

 

[Kelly]

It has been reported that they were very aware that there could be "boobie traps" at every turn, possibly through every door....hell one of the doors they opened on the ground floor was a brick wall....they had to shoot through it to continue on....

They had no clue what was coming through each door....they were going through this compound just like police officers go through a house to clear it....

 

[Paroxysm]

Doesn't matter how few guns going in that they saw, behind EVERY DOOR was a surprise to a certain extent....Bin Laden was within arms reach of an AK-47 and a hand gun....who was to say going into the room to grab him physically wasn't a trap? They knew that going into a situation like this there were MANY unknown variables...therefore their results had to have an "alive or dead" as well....

If they knew Osama was there they probably knew he was living with his wife and kids too. They wouldn't send a SEAL team into a compound without nothing more than just "He's here".

 

[Calvin]

I will say that OF COURSE, if it meant the death of "one" Seal.....then the "kill" order is OF COURSE taken.....but I do not believe that there was "only" a "kill" order....not at all.

I don't believe that either, I think officially there was a permission to kill if at all necessary, and a directive to capture if at all possible to do completely safely. Luckily, given his history, I don't think that capture option is logistically possible if you're the SEAL in that room. And I say luckily, because I think it'd be a horrible **** storm if we had him alive right now.

 

[Kelly]

we dont know where his body was when it was shot and where it fell. If I am breaching a room and someone is going for a weapon...regardless if its ringht next to them or within a few steps they are going down

The briefings from the Seals says that he was at the entry of the door, and the guns were at the entry as well...

 

[roach]

I'm not attempting to second guess extremely highly-trained SEALs but I think they were able to get him in their custody, at least for a moment, then kill him.

this sentence makes no sense..."Im not saying they are lying, just that they arent telling the truth."

 

[Calvin]

we dont know where his body was when it was shot and where it fell. If I am breaching a room and someone is going for a weapon...regardless if its ringht next to them or within a few steps they are going down

Yeah, is he only "killable" when he's one foot away from the gun rather than five feet away? So you have to watch him start towards the gun, hold your fire until he's physically touching it, and then risk that he might be an insanely quick shot? Or risk missing your first shot, and now you don't have an extra second to fire off a second one.

 

[Kelly]

I'm sure they asked him first if he was thinking about grabbing a gun....lol

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think the idea of Bin Laden wearing a suicide vest is enough to justify a "shoot on sight" mission by the SEALs. And I think taking him alive is impractical. The court process would be dragged out. More importantly, Al Qaeda would try to kidnap American citizens and then demand Bin Laden's release as ransom.

 

[roach]

If they knew Osama was there they probably knew he was living with his wife and kids too. They wouldn't send a SEAL team into a compound without nothing more than just "He's here".

No mission is 100% right on..sometimes you get faulty or false info

 

[Paroxysm]

I think the idea of Bin Laden wearing a suicide vest is enough to justify a "shoot on sight" mission by the SEALs. And I think taking him alive is impractical. The court process would be dragged out. More importantly, Al Qaeda would try to kidnap American citizens and then demand Bin Laden's release as ransom.

He was living there for up to 6 years with his wives and kids! You honestly think he was going to pack on a c4 vest everyday just in case he gets raided? lol

 

[Kelly]

Exactly....and as has been said...MANY TIMES, EVEN by the President......this could have gone VERY, VERY wrong....the "not knowns" were probably many....

 

[Yurka]

this sentence makes no sense..."Im not saying they are lying, just that they arent telling the truth."

I meant their judgement.

 

[Marx]

He was living there for up to 6 years with his wives and kids! You honestly think he was going to pack on a c4 vest everyday just in case he gets raided? lol

It's not that far of a stretch to assume he was wearing an explosive vest.

 

[Paroxysm]

No mission is 100% right on..sometimes you get faulty or false info

They had the correct information. Living with wives and kids, minimal threat. Best chance to get him.

 

[Calvin]

The daughters story was most likely fabricated or encouraged by those around her, but I don't think its a very far fetched "conspiracy".

The only information we know is that he didn't put his hands up when they asked him to surrender, he didn't pull for a gun, but was still resisting somehow. I'm not attempting to second guess extremely highly-trained SEALs but I think they were able to get him in their custody, at least for a moment, then kill him.

That and them choosing not to release the pictures, when some describe the pictures as UBL having a "massive" hole in his forehead. Which makes me think its an exit wound.

I hope it's an exit wound. That would be more satisfying to me. I'd like to imagine that the mission was to capture if possible, and even though I think that's not possible, let's say they captured him. I'd like to think the SEAL that shot him, whose identity we'll never know, I'd like to think he lost someone close to him during 9/11, and the whole time during the operation he was thinking "if we get him, I'm putting a bullet in his head for -insert name-." And I'd like to think if that happened, everyone around him, including the administration, totally understood.

 

[Kelly]

Several today have said that could have been a possibility...

 

[redfirebird2008]

He was living there for up to 6 years with his wives and kids! You honestly think he was going to pack on a c4 vest everyday just in case he gets raided? lol

If he truly believed in his jihad mission, hell yes. He would rather kill himself and a couple dozen U.S. troops than allow us to capture him and execute him after a trial.

 

[Matt]

Oh I agree, I hope that's the case, regarding the kill order. I'm just saying that logistically, even if you say that the mission is to capture him if he doesn't pose a threat, that it would essentially be a kill order anyway, because I literally can't think of a scenario where he doesn't pose a threat. And I mean that sincerely.

I don't understand how anyone can see it as problematic that there was no attempt to take him alive (even though the official word is that it was the first option if possible (even though I think that's impossible). I literally see no scenario where it's possible to safely take him alive without risking death or at least injury to the seals.

My problem isn't with the kill order. I think the kill order (if there was one) was a great move. I see no reason to take him alive. My problem is with how it is being handled. This administration lacks the political savviness of one such as Clinton's. They will continue to stumble around and make mistakes and eventually the truth will come out. Then our country's whole image will take a massive hit. It'll be like 2003 all over again. Therefore I think Obama should just come out and tell the truth, if it was a kill mission, if it was a SEAL acting on his own accord, whatever, just tell the truth and control the information, let it be on our terms rather than Fox News'.

 

[Calvin]

He was living there for up to 6 years with his wives and kids! You honestly think he was going to pack on a c4 vest everyday just in case he gets raided? lol

Uh, dude, he had ****ing escape money SEWN into his clothes, along with phone numbers. Yeah, he wasn't thinking ahead at all. I'm sure he thought the whole world forgot who he was. Get real dude.

 

[Paroxysm]

It's not that far of a stretch to assume he was wearing an explosive vest.

He's not some brainwashed 15 year old Muslim kid, he wouldn't be wearing an explosive vest. He's too important to the cause to blow himself up.

 

[dnno1]

Quiet as it's kept, guys and gals, there has been an executive order to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden since 2001.