Breevort calls out Dan Slott.

[Harlekin]

I'm the only one actually instrumental to ASSHAT. Where else were you guys going to find that H?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've got H's coming out of my ears, n00b.

 

[Harlekin]

That's gross.

 

[Mr. Green]

I thought it was pretty hillarious that somebody thought he had a substance abuse problem. Talk about reading into things a little too much.

I think the funniest part is how Tom B pretty much slapped all the Slott fanatics in the face and prooved them wrong on EVERYTHING. Ha!

Whatever, I'm sure the people who got Thing and She Hulk didn't really notice that much about issues being late because they were still put out in the right amount of time. Some books kill you on how late they are. Ultimates is pretty rediculous, but it's so good it doesn't even matter by the time you get it.

 

[roach]

I've got H's coming out of my ears, n00b.

they have a creme for that

 

[TheCorpulent1]

they have a creme for that

Sounds French. You think the H's in my ears stand for "France," son?!

 

[roach]

Sounds French. You think the H's in my ears stand for "France," son?!

Hungary maybe

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Still not France. Captain Fakemerica taught me that.

 

[iloveclones]

I think the funniest part is how Tom B pretty much slapped all the Slott fanatics in the face and prooved them wrong on EVERYTHING. Ha!

I don't see where you get that. I'm still a fan of Mr. Slott's stuff. This is all just internal stuff.

 

[Darthphere]

I thought the A on his forehead stood for Algeria. Ah, another reason that scene sucks ass.

 

[Mr. Green]

I don't see where you get that. I'm still a fan of Mr. Slott's stuff. This is all just internal stuff.

It was just the people ranting about non factual things like NA being late, and Slott never being late and stuff like that.

I am a Slott fan as well so I hope you don't think I'm trying to put him down. I just thought it was funny to see Tom B pwn a whole bunch of ranting fans.

 

[roach]

I thought the A on his forehead stood for Algeria. Ah, another reason that scene sucks ass.

I thought "A" stands for "Apple"

 

[Darthphere]

Cap sold out.

 

[Doc Destruction]

It was just the people ranting about non factual things like NA being late, and Slott never being late and stuff like that.

I am a Slott fan as well so I hope you don't think I'm trying to put him down. I just thought it was funny to see Tom B pwn a whole bunch of ranting fans.

Yes, always a good business move to "pwn" the people who buy your product.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That doesn't even make any sense. What kind of ****** would stop buying comics because Brevoort pointed out the fact that he or she said something that wasn't true?

 

[Darthphere]

I dont know, but I love Boston Public.

 

[Harlekin]

I dont know, but I love Boston Public.

Agreed. Great show.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If it hadn't been on Fox, it'd probably still be running today. Luckily, David E. Kelley's got Boston Legal now, which is different but just as good as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Hush]

because the hype sucks now

Im sorry my question is WHY? does the hype suck now.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Exactly, it's like DC pushing OYL titles or BRAVE NEW WORLD-esque relaunches. It's connected to their event so of course they're pushing it.

so basically theyre doomed if they do and doomed if they dont now? it seems to me that they've seen slott's talent and theyre moving him onto something that will sell. cant see whats wrong with that. you could scream and shout at fans til you're blue in the face but the thing by himself, rather like she-hulk, is never going to sell well enough to keep a series safe. i think they could have at least waited until civil war before cancelling it, to see if they could get some more sales like she-hulk has, but it's done now. be happy that slotts getting some chances. just.be.happy.people. lol.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Im sorry my question is WHY? does the hype suck now.

It doesn't suck, Jake is just trying to effect the super-cool loner dude persona. He loves it here. And he loves you, too.

 

[Narynan]

I think this is going over board. But in the end, hes still damn talented.

 

[Dread]

If you're calling out one writer, you should call out everyone. The grand and exalted Mark Millar who can apparently do no wrong. Kevin Smith who took what? Four years to finish a five issue miniseries? YOUR OWN EDITOR IN ****ING CHIEF WHO CAN'T EVEN BRING HIMSELF TO FINISH ONE LOUSY MINISERIES?

If you're gonna start throwing knives Mister Brevoort, even if the question is only about one person, you better start tossing them out at everyone who deserves 'em.

Agreed. Glad we seem to be on the same page here. Not that it's a huge deal...it's simply cool.

hate it when books are late and I can completely understand Brevoort's frustration at something like that and his willingness to call out a guy on a message board. We've all had friends or peers who's done unspeakably stupid things before and for whatever reason we wanna just forget about decorum and shout, "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU??" to their face even when it's completely inappropriate; I think that fueled a lot of Brevoort's attitude in that post. He has a point, and he's very entitled to that point, and good for him for making it.

On the other hand, I completely agree with Dread as well; the fact is that there are dozens upon dozens of higher profile Marvel books that suffer from lateness time and time again. Making a huge fuss about Slott, who I honestly wouldn't even have noticed was periodically late if I hadn't read this thread, while shrugging off the legions of more higher-profile writers who are far worse offenders just makes Brevoort look like an instigator at best and a hypocrite at worst. I don't care if he was responding to a specific question on a message board; Darth and Cyclops are completely right, he didn't have to. He could have just ignored the question and move on; Buffy knows we've all had to do that with a lot of the posts here.

Where was the "We're Marvel and we're a professional company!!" spiel when all the suits were busy making excuses for Hitch and for Finch? Whenever big name books get delayed, people either ignore it or make awkward jokes about it. It's not just Marvel either; DC's All-Star Line, especially Batman and Robin, is becoming a running gag at conventions.

Especially considering the recent Civil War delays, Brevoort's whole spiel becomes even more ridiculous; I feel for Millar if it's the Crohn's affecting his work, but damn...the comic was supposed to come out tomorrow and we're just hearing today that it's been delayed for more than a month?? That can't nearly be blamed on just Millar alone, a situation like that has to have been due to unprofessionalism from a lot of people.

Good points. Lateness in comics have become an epidemic, and the fact that editors on BOTH sides of the comic company aile seem to believe "fill-in" is a dirty word is a problem. Some great talents started out doing that; off the top of my head, one was George Perez on THE AVENGERS. He did a fill-in issue, and look what came after.

When you have a mortgage and a family, come back to me, and tell me if you still believe that. Because, believe me, my responsibility to them far outweighs any notion of "remaining true to Peter Parker's true character", or whatever the daily gripe is. I mean, we're not talking about selling state secrets to buy your family a mansion here. We're talking about comic book characters.

Ah, iloveclones, I think when we exchanged some posts in a topic months ago we filed down that despite the fact that we can like some of the same books (Slott books, MTU), you're more positive and I'm more negative.

I was basically stating that part of "growing up" and joining the "real world", at least in my mind, is acknowleding that in real life, what is fair is often not what happens, and that we all have to compromise our dreams, wishes, ideals at some point in order to earn a living. I mean, if we didn't, everyone here would be working as cowboys, astronauts, secret agents, or would slap on a costume and a jet-pack and fight muggers (or crash into a wall trying). I used Spider-Man in CW as an example because he fit that analogy. The fanboy inside the heart hates seeing even Spider-Man, the hero who got me to read comics in general (mix in reruns of AMAZING FRIENDS with a 4 year old aimlessly watching Saturday morning 'toons), but the rational mind admits that most people would do that.

Your point, a very good one about the fact that all the time in the "real world", a mid manager like Bevroot isn't going to attack the Top-Dogs or his boss, because you just can't, but won't have any qualms about griping about a lower level player who does the same thing (maybe it's a sort of displacement? Transference?), reminded me of that so I was basically going on my usual pessimistic rant about it. No one wants to be a wage slave, working 40+ hours a week making less than we deserve, but we do it to earn a living for ourselves and others. It's a compromise of our ideals, because NO CHILD OUTSIDE OF COMMUNISM goes, "when I grow up, I want to make $37,000 a year doing a job I hate 45 hours a week and barely having time to do anything at home because I'm so beat". But we do it because we have to. It's life.

But don't worry. As empty as my dating life is, I won't have to worry about raising a family for a while.

More onto the topic, today's ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #52, the last issue of Millar/Land's TERRIFIC run, has a bit on the last page with promos all but making fun of how late ULTIMATES 2 is (with #12 being pushed back another 2-3 weeks) with a claim of "catch Millar every 4 weeks, like clockwork, on Ultimates 2!"

Now, before we have a fit, note that the editor for this book is Ralph Macchio, not Brevoort. But look at that attitude. "Ultimates 2 is late! Haha! So funny! It sells 200,000 copies anyway! Haha! How funny!" DC basically has the same attitude with their ALL-STAR lines, which are breaking records for lateness. Hell, TOP COW just printed HUNTER/KILLER #6, which is the 6th issue of a series that launched about 1.5 - 2 years ago. I understand that Brevoort was answering a question and probably got into a rant, but it still smacks of that unfair, unofficial "totem pole" where everyone can commit the same sins, but only the schmucks at the bottom have to answer for it while the jocks at top get away with the glory. And I don't have to congratulate Tom for it. I just see it as kicking a lower tier writer when he's down because he wouldn't get away with daring, DARING to get in the way of a higher-tier's spotlight.

And while it's true that artist issues are what keep getting in the way of some of Millar's books, amazing that he keeps getting involved with slow artists, or that Marvel can never comprehend how long it takes for these artists to make an issue. If a comic is solicted as a bi-monthly or a quarterly ORIGINALLY, that's fine. In a way then, ASTONISHING X-MEN's second half can be forgiven because they said after issue #12, "THIS IS A BI-MONTHLY". But Marvel seems to have a hard time being honest and frank about the bumps and warts of the medium, instead being overly optimistic about a decade too late and not being able to roll with the punches well. If an artist can't produce monthly work, than don't solict it as monthly. There. Done. Be Honest. Every business needs to acknowledge market realities eventually, and it's high time Marvel started doing it.

P.S.: Those surprised that fans would "overreact" have seriously not known fans very well. Overreaction is what we do. Suck it up. I'll at least admit it.

 

[Harlekin]

Brevoort, Dread, great post, but the guy's name is Brevoort.

 

[Dread]

Brevoort, Dread, great post, but the guy's name is Brevoort.

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