The Dark Knight Rises Broken Bat...(news)

[Infinity9999x]

I think I was the first to suggest Bane put Batman in a coma, rather than breaking his back.

One of the reasons I favour this is that a coma is a condition of complete defenselessness, which has a variable time frame. Bruce goes through a medically induced coma in BB, after taking a lung full of fear gas. In TDKR, I imagine the impact of it to be the fact that Bane pounds Batman into the ground and Batman just doesn't get up. From the audience's perspective, he is dead to the world. He will really have to rebuild himself in order to prevail. Nevertheless, he might credibly begin his recovery in three days or three weeks. There isn't the same implausibility as seen in his swift and full recovery from a shattered spine.

Exactly. I mean, people can recover from a broken back, but I don't see it happen too quickly. One of my friends at my college broke his back in high school when he was dirt biking. He was in a wheelchair for a year. And I don't see Nolan having Batman recovering for a year in this movie, though I suppose it's not out of the question completely.

I like the coma idea, because as you said, it's still serious, but a person could conceivably begin recovery in a few days. And it solves the problem of still trying to incorporate the back injury but make it less serious. Imagine "BANE, the man who gave Batman a slipped disk!" Doesn't quite hold the same weight.

 

[Knight Rise]

It's not getting his back broken by Bane, but what did you call it when he was getting beat down by The Joker in the Prewitt Building?

To quote Batman: "I work through pain!" (from Batman: Gotham Knight)

 

[the amazing fro]

I'm still hoping for that unmasked, one-on-one, pure muscle vs. muscle bout between Bale and Hardy. Oh well.

That would be supremely badass.

It would be cool if it was like in the rain and set in somewhere important to batman (like crime alley). I doubt Nolan would do that because its a bit cheesy and forced but who gives a crap?

Sometimes to be awesome you've got to embrace the cheese.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

As much as she is a ''strong formidable force'', she still wouldn't be able to stop Bane.

It was just my 2 cents anyway. I guess I just wanted to post what I thought at the time.

Oh okay then. I suppose you're right. I can't wait to see how the Nolans and Goyer worked in the dynamics between Catwoman and Bane.

To quote Batman: "I work through pain!" (from Batman: Gotham Knight)

That would be supremely badass.

It would be cool if it was like in the rain and set in somewhere important to batman (like crime alley). I doubt Nolan would do that because its a bit cheesy and forced but who gives a crap?

Sometimes to be awesome you've got to embrace the cheese.

And sometimes...the awesome IS the cheese! ...wait...

 

[graphikcontent]

That would be supremely badass.

It would be cool if it was like in the rain and set in somewhere important to batman (like crime alley). I doubt Nolan would do that because its a bit cheesy and forced but who gives a crap?

Sometimes to be awesome you've got to embrace the cheese.

I was hoping somehow Batman's mask would come off in the final confrontation (or its damaged or something...). I think it would be a rather good idea to show that Batman can be severely injured almost to the point of questioning himself, as any human does. It would be an even bigger testament to the character that he has the cojones to put the cowl right back on and supremely kick some arse, even though he's completely aware he may lose his life in the process.

I think someone mentioned in an earlier post that Selina can sort of start out as an antagonist but then she'd realize the importance of Batman. While I'm not keen on her being some sort of Batwoman, I would like her to more or less re-enforce why Gotham needs Batman.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Or more importantly, why Bruce Wayne needs to be Batman.

What? Too selfish? The guy needs his outlet! And Selina's a dominatrix...like...gal...who can help him release those stresses in full-out fetishistic glory!

 

[GeometryKid]

I think someone mentioned in an earlier post that Selina can sort of start out as an antagonist but then she'd realize the importance of Batman. While I'm not keen on her being some sort of Batwoman, I would like her to more or less re-enforce why Gotham needs Batman.

Selina definitely needs to be an in-between force. She goes after bad people and good people, and in a bad way.

Reading through this thread and seeing the # of min. Batman usually has on screen, I wouldn't mind Batman being out of commission for maybe the middle third or a fourth of the film. Keeping in mind, of course, that Nolan films are almost always near 2.5 hrs long. Should be more than enough time in the film for healthy-Batman action.

My only worry is properly establishing the Batman / Selina relationship. All the theories I've read so far in this thread seem primarily focused on Bane and the Broken Bat storyline. But Catwoman is more of a major villain than Bane - she's one of the main three batvillains. Surely she won't be just Batman's replacement, a la Jean Paul Valley. And surely she won't just be a side villain. I'm hoping that both Bane and Catwoman somehow play a huge role in this story.

I like the idea of Catwoman starting out as a villain, falling in love with Bruce / Batman, and then Batman redeeming her over the course of the film. It would be pretty sweet and give Batman some hope and purpose - it would be a way of succeeding in an area where he thinks he finally failed (i.e. he failed to save Harvey and blames himself / in this film he is able to save Selina). Remember in Inception... people yearn for some type of catharsis, a more powerful emotion than negative emotions. Bruce thinks he failed Harvey... he still needs to recover from that.

I'm not sure Catwoman should be a theif... maybe instead someone who is going after Bane on her own out of vengeance or something. Perhaps she is a former assassin. Dunno. I don't want her to be a "replacement hero" or anything. She and Batman def. need to fight at some point in the film.

I've been rereading the Dini "Heart of Hush" stuff and though I'm a guy, I'm quite a sucker for Catwoman / Batman storylines. Don't know why. They just have such a rich and multilayered relationship, and I hope no matter what Selina is (be it thief, assassin, vigilante, etc.) that this relationship makes an appearance in the film.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I have no fears about the Batman/Catwoman relationship. This thread is primarily about Batman breaking his back (which is kinda funny when you pun it around a bit).

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Also, I think it's fundamental to the character to be some kind of thief, or an espionage of sorts. I can see her digging into the Two-Face Murders and generally being a thorn on Batman's side without knowing it. But I love the idea about Bruce 'saving' Selina and vice versa (But IT NEEDS TO BE VICE VERSA DAMN IT!) and it mirroring what he couldn't do with Harvey.

 

[GeometryKid]

I have no fears about the Batman/Catwoman relationship. This thread is primarily about Batman breaking his back (which is kinda funny when you pun it around a bit).

Yeah, I know, but that is such a story-defining event that it would probably threaten to swallow up the whole movie (i.e. why some of the theories and plot ideas spawned in this particular thread have Catwoman playing second fiddle in this story). I know the thread isn't about Catwoman, but the movie will have her in it in some capacity. Working out how she figures into a potential bat-breaking storyline is part of the game, then.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Ah, yes. I agree with you there Maybe she will play a part in Bruce healing, and maybe she'll be against Bane's new era of vigilantism? Just stray thoughts.

 

[The Guard]

My 98 year old grandmother came back from a broken back in eight months.

Just saying.

 

[regwec]

Did she fight Bane afterward?

 

[the amazing fro]

Did she fight Bane afterward?

 

[GeometryKid]

My 98 year old grandmother came back from a broken back in eight months.

Just saying.

But I bet she wasn't flying off rooftops, doing gymnastics, and shouting "WHERE ARE THEY" after that. Just because Batman could recover doesn't mean he would ever be able to do all that stuff again.

 

[MoonChild]

Firstly, for those who say they don't want to see TDKR without Batman all the way through, remember that BB didn't have Batman until halfway through in the narrative, and as Christopher reminds us, this is Bruce's journey, so I am quite open to the possibility of no Batman for a portion of the story.

Secondly, the continuation of an observation that Rachel made, that Bruce can't live without Batman, and during his exile/training, he comes to realize the same thing, and that his war on crime will never end.

Thirdly, as a tactician and warrior who learns from his experiences, I personally would love to see Batman return and wait for Bane to be at weakest, hounded from all sides, before the return bout.

Fourthly, Bruce would logically look to increase his skills after such a loss, so I am also open to Lady Shiva in the film, perhaps as Bruce looks for martial arts and fighting forms not so well known, and looking for any advantage he can find.

 

[Charlie The Red]

This thread desperately needed a bump.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yea, I don't know where the backbreaking fits in the new plot details. Assuming they are true.

 

[Rocketman]

The new plot rumors are as real as scientology...

.... they're not.

And I still have my fingers crossed for Brokeback Batman.

 

[raybia]

I'm still hoping for that unmasked, one-on-one, pure muscle vs. muscle bout between Bale and Hardy. Oh well.

Why not unclothed as well?

 

[Rocketman]

Throw in some naked Nathaway and Cotillard too, and I'll cash my chips.

 

[Manos Jester]

The new plot rumors are as real as scientology...

.... they're not.

And I still have my fingers crossed for Brokeback Batman.

Holy ****? How are they gonna explain Batman's absence from vigilantism? Not with a smashed car I hope. I know they're gonna find a way, but I'm really curious. Does that mean JGL is gonna be Azrael/Robin/new Batman? Or is JGL gonna be Thomas Elliot, Bruce Wayne's doctor?

 

[Roids]

I like the idea he gets beaten into a coma

 

[Maximus]

conceivably begin recovery in a few days. And it solves the problem of still trying to incorporate the back injury but make it less serious. Imagine "BANE, the man who gave Batman a slipped disk!" Doesn't quite hold the same weight.

Wrong. It depends on where the injury is located( middle back is not that bad; upper spine you're probably paralysed bc the nerves are closer together and are more likely to be severed)

I had a burst fracture of my T12 veretebra in the Army, had spinal fusion surgery (3 vertebra are fused), and I was walking in 4 days.

I wore a back brace for 3 months, and at 8 months post-surgery I was running again and lifting weights again.

At 1 year 6 months I was in better shape than I had been prior to the injury weighing a lean 215.

The timeline may be shorter in the movie, but that's not a big deal. It's very believable and I, for one, can relate so I'll enjoy this.

 

[Maximus]

But I bet she wasn't flying off rooftops, doing gymnastics, and shouting "WHERE ARE THEY" after that. Just because Batman could recover doesn't mean he would ever be able to do all that stuff again.

My neurosurgeon fully cleared me for everything at 8 months including jumping out of planes, heavy squatting, running, etc.