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Burned Out With Comic Movie Genre

If there was a lead in X-Men Days of Future Past is was young Xaiver. Next would be Magneto then Mystique then Wolverine.

Once they recruited Quicksilver wolverine was just along for the ride.
 
I feel like this "Wolverine is the main character of DOFP" talk dosen't actually reflect what went on in the movie. He's the tool that connects past and present, but he is by no means the main character like he was in the original trilogy.

Just as FC was Young Erik's movie, DOFP belonged to Young Xavier.

DOFP, at the end of the day, is a movie driven by two things: Young Xavier stepping up to become the man he is in X1-X3, and the battle over Raven's soul.
 
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I feel like this "Wolverine is the main character of DOFP" talk dosen't actually reflect what went on in the movie. He's the tool that connects past and present, but he is by no means the main character like he was in the original trilogy.

Just as FC was Young Erik's movie, DOFP belonged to Young Xavier.

DOFP, at the end of the day, is a movie driven by two things: Young Xavier stepping up to become the man he is in X1-X3, and the battle over Raven's soul.

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Precisely.

Right. He was the point of view character for most of the film. He didn't drive the story as much as Xavier, but let's not pretend he was some minor character like Bishop or Iceman. He was a main character in this film.
 
Xavier has the biggest character arc, followed by Magneto, but Wolverine has an interesting character arc that is started in other films, but completed in this one. Logan's biggest downfall is that he's lived so long, he sees others die that he cares for. His actions in helping Eric and Charles, stem from the fact that he knows they are the only two capable of bringing peace, and stopping death and destruction. When he sees all the people brought back that he saw die in the wars, he was able to heal from the one thing, that even he was never able to recover from, the death of people he cares for.
 
Raven's arc in DoFP than it was in FC, which I consider one of the greater failings of the movie.

Ultimately, the reason she switches sides in DoFP is that Xavier keeps nagging her too. In contrast, in FC, she switches to evil because we see good not working out for her throughout the movie. She just wants to be accepted, and later on Erik is the first one to accept her unconditionally -- which is a lot more powerful than nagging.
 
I didn't see it as Xavier nagging her but him believing in her as a good person not capable of murder due to the time spent with her all the years.

Anyway we've got ALOT of new CBMs in the coming years, hopefully there's not to many more announced otherwise the bubble could burst
 
Oh, how I miss him.

Something fundamental seems to be happening in the upper realms of the comic-book movie. “Spider-Man II” (2004) may have defined the high point of the traditional film based on comic-book heroes. A movie like the new “Hellboy II” allows its director free rein for his fantastical visions. But now “Iron Man” and even more so “The Dark Knight” move the genre into deeper waters. They realize, as some comic-book readers instinctively do, that these stories touch on deep fears, traumas, fantasies and hopes. -Roger Ebert
 
The next few years are going to be crazy for us fans, I mean not even counting Marvel and DC there are plenty of other CBM's in the works. There is a TF5, TMNT 2, G.I Joe 3, at least 3 more X-Men movies, at least 1 FF movie and at least 2 more Spiderman movies and possibly, though less likely, a Dredd 2, Hellboy 3, 300, er, 3 and Kick-Ass 3, not to mention anything else that pops up between now and 2020, for us fans it will be great, but I fear its the GA who are going to get burned out with these movies if its going to be anyone.
 
Please people stop supporting films like TF, TMNT and GI Joe.
 
I have a feeling if every major superhero movie this year didn't make over 700 m Warner Bros wouldn't have announced so many titles.

It's a straight up gold rush now.
 
At this point, I think "burnout" varies case by case depending on the studio. In Marvel's case, I don't see it happening at least till Infinity War.

Outside of them leading the market at the moment with no sign of that changing in the near future, the GA seems to be aware of their plans based on my personal experience. I've heard plenty of casual moviegoers in the past 2 weeks bring up Thanos, how he'll be in Avengers 3 and how everything's been building up to that. So if they can communicate that message across to their overall audience and get them on board with it, I imagine the audience would stick to Marvel till the finale. Unless they drop the ball in terms of quality, which goes without saying.

On top of that, a significant factor in burning out your audience would be the lack of diversity. What killed westerners, based on what I've heard, is that they all eventually turned into the same thing. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Phase 3 lineup, or even with the overall lineup we had this year from all studios.

Furthermore, superheroes are prone to a lot more variety than other genres. Guardians and Winter Soldier were polar opposites in terms of almost everything, the big exception being the idea of having superhero protagonists. And even then, the idea of the "hero" is almost universal, is it not? It's by no means exclusive to just superheroes. Then there's also the idea of the "antihero", which I would argue fits the Guardians better, as well as the upcoming Suicide Squad. Point is, even the black-and-white definition of "hero" within superhero culture is starting to become malleable with these films.

What I think could happen, at least for the foreseeable future, is a "survival of the fittest" scenario where the best films get praised and the ones who can't keep up get left behind. We've already seen a glimpse of that this year with TASM2, the only mixed-to-negative received film (not counting Turtles) underperforming while the rest overperformed. I've seen some compare 2010 Marvel to 2000's Pixar, and I couldn't agree more. There were plenty of CG animation films last decade (and still are), but Pixar managed to stay on top of the market through the consistent quality they put out.

On the other hand, Sony seems to be in panic mode and not have any clue to what they're doing. Even if the Sinister Six film concept delivers, I don't see how the same team that can barely market Spider-Man be able to market such an idea. The female spinoff may have come off as a progressive novelty a few weeks back, but it could easily get buried by Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel at this point, coming around the same time. I see TASM3 being Sony's last Marvel film, assuming they even manage to get there successfully.

WB is a complete wild card at this point, but if the rest of their lineup is on par with MOS quality-wise, they'll also be in trouble.

Fox is the best one off after Marvel, at least in terms of X-Men. I see the X-Men franchise sticking around for a while, especially if they take a successful young Scott/Jean/Storm off the ground. In terms of the FF, "unsuccessful" is an understatement. I wouldn't even count the FF films as an upcoming CBM's, since chances are the first one will be too low-key for the GA to notice, which is what Fox is clearly aiming for. Same thing with the second one, assuming the revenue from the first justifies making it in the first place. But of course.

Finally, I'd like to conclude with a personal note. I'm enjoying all the superhero TV shows out this fall - Arrow, Flash, SHIELD, Gotham - but my schedule is too packed for me to keep up with all of them. As a result, I dropped Gotham because it was the least interesting for me. I will be picking it up again when I get the chance, but it's off my mind for now. I'd also like to give Constantine a try at one point, but I can't at the moment without dropping one of the other 3. Now of course, take into account that if I wasn't a hardcore fan of these things, I'd probably drop them for good and never pick them up again. That and there's no telling when I will have the time for them. Essentially, superhero survival of the fittest has already begun, at least for me.
 
I see Marvel Studios potentially peaking with Phase 3. They are headed towards a big finale with the Infinity films, and RDJ and the Chrises will probably want to movie on afterwards. It will be difficult for Phase 4 to follow all that.
 
Please people stop supporting films like TF, TMNT and GI Joe.

Agreed. I'm amazed they're even thinking about making G.I. Joe 3. How bad does a movie have to suck before you quit?

I think TF5 should be entitled Transformers: Please just kill us now!
 
Agreed. I'm amazed they're even thinking about making G.I. Joe 3. How bad does a movie have to suck before you quit?

I think TF5 should be entitled Transformers: Please just kill us now!

Transformers, GI Joe, and TMNT deserve so much better. At least the comics are good, I will probably end up saying the same thing about Ghostbusters. :(
 
^ TMNT is one of my favorite properties ever. This year brought me to tears.
 
Much as I am excited about many of Marvel's got down the pipe I did the feel the imminent fatigue of it. I mean, five years is a long time. I kind of feel like I'm going to be seeing these things for the rest of my life.
 
Raven's arc in DoFP than it was in FC, which I consider one of the greater failings of the movie.

Ultimately, the reason she switches sides in DoFP is that Xavier keeps nagging her too. In contrast, in FC, she switches to evil because we see good not working out for her throughout the movie. She just wants to be accepted, and later on Erik is the first one to accept her unconditionally -- which is a lot more powerful than nagging.

Absolutely spot on DA. I felt that Charles', Erik's and Raven's character arcs were better and more clearly defined in FC. I have no idea why people are saying DoFP is better than FC. I didn't feel that at all.
 
I'm not completely burnt out with Comic Book movies just yet. As long as they are done well and there is no more than 2 a year and there are other genre of movies that can breakup the trend.
 
If there was a lead in X-Men Days of Future Past is was young Xaiver. Next would be Magneto then Mystique then Wolverine.

Once they recruited Quicksilver wolverine was just along for the ride.

Not really. There was no 1 lead in Days of Future Past. Also in my opinion, Wolverine had more role in the film than trouble maker 70s Magneto.

I think Professor X(young&old)/Wolverine share the same importance in the film, after that its Mystique. Then Magneto. Then the rest.
 
Transformers, GI Joe, and TMNT deserve so much better. At least the comics are good, I will probably end up saying the same thing about Ghostbusters. :(

Do you read them? The IDW ones? I'm looking to read them too and I'm looking for a way to jump in. Where did you start with them?

As for the topic on hand, I'll declare myself burned out after we've been around the block so to speak.
 
Finally, I'd like to conclude with a personal note. I'm enjoying all the superhero TV shows out this fall - Arrow, Flash, SHIELD, Gotham - but my schedule is too packed for me to keep up with all of them. As a result, I dropped Gotham because it was the least interesting for me. I will be picking it up again when I get the chance, but it's off my mind for now. I'd also like to give Constantine a try at one point, but I can't at the moment without dropping one of the other 3. Now of course, take into account that if I wasn't a hardcore fan of these things, I'd probably drop them for good and never pick them up again. That and there's no telling when I will have the time for them. Essentially, superhero survival of the fittest has already begun, at least for me.

For me, it's not superhero survival of the fittest so much as TV survival of the fittest. I came into this Fall/Spring TV Season with enough returning shows that I really like that I don't have room to watch more than a few new ones, so my standards have to be pretty high. While I like Gotham all right, I probably won't stick around much longer, because I don't like it enough to find time to watch it and commit to it for the long haul. I passed right over Flash, but it wasn't because I already have a superhero show to watch. Right now the comics stuff is pretty varied. Arrow and Flash are straight up superhero fare. Gotham's a police procedural. iZombie sounds similar to Tru Calling, if you know what that is. Agent Carter is a spy show. Constantine's closer to Arrow/Flash, but it's also a lot like Supernatural. It just came down to which shows in general I wanted to see most.

Now later, when we've got the Marvel Netflix stuff and Supergirl and who knows what else, then it could easily become a bona fide battle of the superheroes, because I like to have some variety in what I watch.
 
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