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[Night Owl]

to be honest, the more i hear about superman lives the more i like. I know it looks wierd and strange but were only seeing a broken jigsaw puzzle here with missing pieces. The Script seemed really good. The only real problem i would of had with it is Nicolas cage. Like Really??

 

[El Payaso]

to be honest, the more i hear about superman lives the more i like. I know it looks wierd and strange but were only seeing a broken jigsaw puzzle here with missing pieces. The Script seemed really good. The only real problem i would of had with it is Nicolas cage. Like Really??

Finally some sense.

 

[ALP]

I'd have been interested in this because Burton was at the top of his game in the 80s and 90s. Now he's hacking up everything that comes his way but he use to have a brilliant vision.

 

[ghostrider92]

Thanks. Have you read Dan Gilroy's script?

i have superman was more heroic in that script then kevin smiths script .

 

[ghostrider92]

Nicolas Cage, a comic book fan, signed on as Superman with a $20 million pay or play contract, feeling he could "re-conceive the character.
Tim Allen claimed he was in talks for Brainiac
Courteney Cox was reported as a casting possibility for Lois Lane,
while Smith confirmed Chris Rock was set for Jimmy Olsen.
Kevin Spacey was approached for the role of Lex Luthor,
danny elfman composing the score .
written by Dan Gilroy
produced by jon peters
directed by Tim Burton

tim burton could have made a great superman .

 

[ghostrider92]

Kevin spacey would have been a darker lex luthor instead of being forced rehash lines form the 1978 classic .
in bryan singers film .

 

[Catman]

I dont know if that's really a fair statement. Both of the approaches for SL and SR were just so far at the opposite ends of the spectrum from one another. Burton's approach here looks like it was going overboard with how much it was trying to be different than what came before it. Singer, however, stayed so close to the first two movies that the end result was painfully dull and unimaginative.

Yeah, but Burton's film would have been the lesser of two evils.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Atleast Burtons wouldve been visually amazing and actually interesting, SR was just as people say, dull and unimaginative.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The plane sequence was hardly dull, and I find the lifting a growing continent into space a pretty compelling visual. It's the kind of stuff we had never seen before in a major movie.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Yes it was dull, and very boring. It was a rehash of the original Donner films with todays advancement in visual technology. There wasnt anything that really stood out at all, even the characters were all done pretty badly compared to the Donner films. When people say the plane sequence and lifting a giant piece of growing land is the best part, of a superman movie nonetheless, then you've got a problem. Burtons was much more imaginative and would've added a lot of aspects of the superman comics that we have yet to see on screen atleast in a major movie. The storyboards/ designs for SL are very to watch and look at then SR, and thats not even a question.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yes it was dull, and very boring. It was a rehash of the original Donner films with todays advancement in visual technology. There wasnt anything that really stood out at all, even the characters were all done pretty badly compared to the Donner films. When people say the plane sequence and lifting a giant piece of growing land is the best part, of a superman movie nonetheless, then you've got a problem. Burtons was much more imaginative and would've added a lot of aspects of the superman comics that we have yet to see on screen atleast in a major movie. The storyboards/ designs for SL are very to watch and look at then SR, and thats not even a question.

So they weren't good enough for you, fine. I loved 'em sequences.

bryan singer took The plane sequence from jj abrams script

I haven't read the JJ Ambrams script (is it the one with the suit in a can? ...) but I'm pretty sure Superman rescuing a plane has been done at least twice in different media before, so I don't see what your point is by bringing that up. Even then. We had not seen that before in a movie with a mega budget.

 

[Kokomo29]

I think it's funny, it seems that Burton had quite the affinity of taking White sidekick characters and turning them Black. Robin turned into Marlon Wayans and Jimmy Olsen turned into Chris Rock. To be honest, I think Burton's idea of Robin in Batman Returns was really, really cool. I read that he would be in a red mechanics jumpsuit with the familiar "R" logo on his chest. I really would have liked to have seen that, actually. I think it would have fit in with Burton's "universe" well.

Just my $0.02

 

[El Payaso]

I think it's funny, it seems that Burton had quite the affinity of taking White sidekick characters and turning them Black. Robin turned into Marlon Wayans and Jimmy Olsen turned into Chris Rock. To be honest, I think Burton's idea of Robin in Batman Returns was really, really cool. I read that he would be in a red mechanics jumpsuit with the familiar "R" logo on his chest. I really would have liked to have seen that, actually. I think it would have fit in with Burton's "universe" well.

Just my $0.02

Well, I'm not too sure if those were Burrton's ideas. In the end, Robin didn't turn into a black character but into a no-character at all.

 

[theMan-Bat]

The black mechanic wearing a garage mechanics uniform with an R on it that Marlon Wayans would have played was Batman Returns screenwriter Daniel Waters idea to compromise since Tim Burton didn't want Robin involved but Warner Brothers' production chief Mark Canton did so they would have added an aid for Batman but minimized Robin into a mechanic that would have made a cameo in Batman Returns fixing the Batmobile for Batman. Daniel Waters said Tim wasn't enthusiastic about it. Ultimately it was agreed to just leave Robin out again, which is the way Tim Burton wanted it in the first place.

Why was Robin eventually thrown out of your screenplay?

Daniel Waters: "One of our big bonding issues is me and Tim Burton hate Robin. He's just the most worthless character in the world, especially with Tim's conception of Batman as the loner of loners, to have this gushing boy run around, it made us both kind of sick to our stomachs! Mark Canton [Warner Brothers' production chief at the time] was a Robin fanatic and at the first film would sit there mumbling in dailies, 'Where's Robin?'. So we had this black character that works in a garage and helps Batman out of a jam. He's wearing one of those old-fashioned garage mechanic uniforms and it just has an R on it. We really didn't even make reference to it. In fact he helps him out and they have this camaraderie. He drives the Batmobile, which I notice they used in the third film! They didn't even give me a coupon for free popcorn for that!"
http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/articles.php?showarticle=18

During the Batman commentary Tim Burton said "That was the thing, number one, no Robin. I even think that Bob Kane was happy there was no Robin. It's hard to come up with a psychological profile for a guy wearing a little red outfit with green booties. And all the jokes that come with it. As a kid that's just a part of the mythology is the Batman and Robin jokes. So I thought I'd just avoid all that and keep it pure to Batman's original form."

In the book Burton on Burton Tim Burton said:

In Starlog #145 (1989) Tim Burton about Robin, "We would lift up our arms and say, 'Let's have them both go to Frederic's of Hollywood to pick up that little red and green outfit.'"

Since Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton's version was the first live-action version of Batman since Bill Dozier and Adam West and Burt Ward's campy comedy version, it would have been difficult to include Robin in Burton and Keaton's version of Batman, which was intended to be taken seriously, without getting unintentional snickers, laughs and gay jokes from the audience.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

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[SuperAl]

i dont understand, what were they thinking

 

[nightwing06]

Well if this was his healing suit it was likely only going to be used in one or two scenes.
I feel bad for the people who made all of this stuff,just to have it all tossed.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well if this was his healing suit it was likely only going to be used in one or two scenes.
I feel bad for the people who made all of this stuff,just to have it all tossed.

Yeah gotta say but they will have been paid for it either way so they'll just see it as they did their job and got paid for it.

 

[Xtroid]

This should have been made! t:

 

[DCnightwing23]

Its sad because whenever these suits come about everyone thinks its the main suit he wears throughout the movie but its not, if people read the script they would know these suits popping up would've only been for a scene or two. Not to mention they dont look too bad and look very well made. Besides the concept art we have never really seen the main superman red and blue suit at all. I still think this movie would've been really cool to see it would've incorporated a lot of small details from the comic books and would've been visually amazing.

 

[echostation]

yeah it's a lot of hard work, but all in the damn wrong direction...

 

[theMan-Bat]

For a film based on the Death of Superman and Reign of the Supermen comics it isn't in the wrong direction. In the Death of Superman comics Superman is killed by Doomsday. In the Reign of the Supermen comics the Kryptonian Eradicator put Superman in a regeneration matrix in the Fortress of Solitude and revived him. The Kryptonian Eradicator restores his solar energy and revives his body. Which is what is happening in this Superman Lives art here:

And in the Reign of the Supermen comics Superman wore a black suit with a silver S temporarily after he returned.

In Superman Lives Superman would have worn a black suit with a silver S temporarily after he returned.

The Reign of the Supermen replacements, Steel, Cyborg Superman, Superboy, wouldn't have been in Superman Lives because that would have been to cluttered with too many characters for a two-hour movie.

 

[JAK®]

Yeah, the only horrible thing about the movie was the casting of Nicholas Cage.

 

[JackIvyGB]

DC should get a few comic artists together and put together an "elseworlds" anthology of comic book versions of these aborted films. This, Abrams' "Flyby", "Batman Vs Superman", "Batman: Year One", etc. Even throw in concept art from the films in the back as a bonus. Extra points if they could actually draw the characters as the actors that were supposed to play them. Of course on the nearly non-existant chance that this happened, that would would certainly not be the case, but it'd be cool to imagine seeing Hopkins as jor-El, wCourtney Cox as Lois, Colin Farrel and Jude Law as Batman and Superman, Matt Bomer in "Flyby", etc. I think all the "almost were" scripts as elseworlds one shots collected in a graphic novel could be cool and that there's enough interest for it...


...hmmm... maybe a nifty project to be under taken by the hype's artists sometime, just for kicks to see what these stories may have looked like? Didn't some people try to do that with TDK when it came out?

 

[echostation]

Sorry, but to not show a Superman properly flying would have been totally stupid. They were just gonna have him Whoosh off. The details from Kevin Smith's talk and other script details make it apparent that Jon Peters was adamant about not having any scenes of him flying. Superman would fly but it wouldn't be shown. Plus the Spider... **** that lousy stupid ****ing spider...

I'm glad they did away with this film altogether... It would have been brilliant to see in a pure elseworlds sense, but I'm so glad they trashed it all together.