Can Pulp Heroes make a comeback at the movies?

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I am watching Flash Gordon and would like to know if you guys and gals think that pulp heroes could be hits at the cinema. I am aware of the Doc Samson movie in the works, can they modernize the heroes or keep them in period piece movies? And if so what heroes would you like to see. I am all for a new Flash Gordon :)
 
They need a director who truly loves the source material. Take Peter Jackson. You can look at his LOTR trilogy and see he really loves the novels. That's not to say pulp heroes need to have their film directed by PJ. The trick is to find the right story to tell. I'm a fan of the pulps because of their pacing. One of my favorite pulp heroes, Elric of Melnibone, has a very cinematic lineup of novels and short stories.

Elric's tale is a dark fantasy; a tragedy. The first novel (by internal chronology, rather than publication order) opens with Elric, Emperor of the Melniboneans, a race that once ruled the world astride their mighty dragons. They've become insular and are growing decadent even as mankind begins to emerge as a major power in the world.

In order to save his race, Elric navigates treachery in his court and enters into a Faustian pact in order to root out the subversives in his court. Then he embarks on a journey of enlightenment which ends with the destruction of Melnibone in a torrent of firing and raping, with most of the Melniboneans taken as slaves for mankind.

The story reaches a climax with the Lords of Chaos begin manifesting upon the Earth to give Chaos dominance over Law. This entails a number of epic battles on the scale of Jackson's LOTR trilogy, except you replace the orcs and goblins with warped, twisted creatures that resemble the Thing from John Carpenter's The Thing. Throw in some dragons and sorcery and you've got an epic to rival the Middle-Earth saga.

So, yeah, I'd like to see the Elric trilogy realized. It's been in talks for about 6-7 years now. No progress yet.

Edit: my attraction to Elric is that he's really not a clean-cut hero at all. He's got no qualms about butchering his enemy's lackeys and feeding them to his patron Duke of Hell. After all, they were working for the villain! You could also read the saga as an inversion of the old heroic fantasy trops.
 
I'd like to see (new) films with The Shadow, the Phantom and especially a Mandrake the Magician movie. Also a period piece take on Batman with a Joker that looks like my avatar.
 
Star Wars and Indy were basically updated versions of pulpy heroes from serial movies.

Spielberg and Lucas' love letter for that film era they grew up with.
 
Its very much a matter of "Seinfeld isn't funny" These characters and stories have been so heavily borrowed from they just seem stale for film audiences.
 
I would love to see more pulpy superheroes. People need to dream again
 
Its very much a matter of "Seinfeld isn't funny" These characters and stories have been so heavily borrowed from they just seem stale for film audiences.

This x1000000

Two of the biggest bombs (John Carter and Lone Ranger) of the past few years came from Pulp heroes (though only John Carter suffered from "Seinfeld isn't Funny" while you could argue that Lone Ranger suffered because of the opposite). I don't see film companies taking chances on pulp heroes.

I would love to see more pulpy superheroes. People need to dream again

So people aren't dreaming and having imaginations because there pulp heroes aren't popular? :huh:
 
Sam Raimi made Darkman when he couldn't get the rights to The Shadow which he wanted to make.

A Mandrake The Magician movie was in the works for a while at Warner Bros starring Jonathan Rhys Meyers before he dropped out and was replaced by Hayden Christensen. Djimon Honsou was going to play Mandrake's partner Lothar.

Sam Worthington was in consideration to play The Phantom in a new movie back in 2008 but that died out.

There was talk of Disney remaking The Rocketeer not too long ago.

Studios have had Pulp heroes movies in development its just that few of them have managed to get off the ground and the ones that did like John Carter of Mars, The Lone Ranger and Green Hornet didn't do so well. Studios are more focused on the current crop of superheroes.

A Defenders Of The Earth Movie would be great if they could get the rights to all the different characters under one studio. I think if Universal had the rights it would suit them seeing as the only superheroes they have the rights for is Kick-Ass and Namor.
 
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Would like to see period films of Flash Gordon and The Shadow, but it seems unlikelly and as stated before, so much has been taken from these stories that they will seem generic now.

Just hope Shane Black's Doc Savage is successful.
 
Sam Raimi made Darkman when he couldn't get the rights to The Shadow which he wanted to make.

A Mandrake The Magician movie was in the works for a while at Warner Bros starring Jonathan Rhys Meyers before he dropped out and was replaced by Hayden Christensen. Djimon Honsou was going to play Mandrake's partner Lothar.

Sam Worthington was in consideration to play The Phantom in a new movie back in 2008 but that died out.

There was talk of Disney remaking The Rocketeer not too long ago.

Studios have had Pulp heroes movies in development its just that few of them have managed to get off the ground and the ones that did like John Carter of Mars, The Lone Ranger and Green Hornet didn't do so well. Studios are more focused on the current crop of superheroes.

A Defenders Of The Earth Movie would be great if they could get the rights to all the different characters under one studio. I think if Universal had the rights it would suit them seeing as the only superheroes they have the rights for is Kick-Ass and Namor.

Wow, I never thought there could be a worse actor for the Phantom than Billy Zane, but it's good to see that Hollywood is trying.
 
Haha, oh Worthington, you peaked too early.

But on topic yeah...unless it's played semi tongue in cheek like Indy it feels almost too cornball for people nowadays.
 
Flash Gordon, Mandrake and The Phantom... I really want to see them made as today's blockbusters.

Maybe they are the ones that will be big in the 2020s - the next decade.
 
How do you define a pulp hero? Like, I know of all the characters like Flash Gordon, The Phantom etc but what makes them a pulp hero? I'm a n00b :oldrazz:
 
Wow, I never thought there could be a worse actor for the Phantom than Billy Zane, but it's good to see that Hollywood is trying.

YOU SHUT YOUR ****E MOUTH!!!! Billy Zane was perfectly fine as the Phantom!!!! :cmad::cmad::cmad:
 
Fellini attempted to do a Mandrake film with Marcello Mastroianni and Nicholas Roeg also tried with David Bowie as the titular magician. I hope somebody pulls it off some day.
 
Fellini attempted to do a Mandrake film with Marcello Mastroianni and Nicholas Roeg also tried with David Bowie as the titular magician. I hope somebody pulls it off some day.
And Sergio Leone had plans for The Phantom, starring Clint Eastwood. Strange that neither of the two Italian legends did go all the way.

However, both heroes have been pulled off by others. Mandrake back in 1978, I think.
 
Fellini attempted to do a Mandrake film with Marcello Mastroianni and Nicholas Roeg also tried with David Bowie as the titular magician. I hope somebody pulls it off some day.

Someone get me a time machine so I can go back and fund both these projects.
 
Someone get me a time machine so I can go back and fund both these projects.
All three projects you mean? :cwink:
Who wouldn't have liked to see Clint run around the jungle, dressed in purple spandex?
 
Can Pulp Heroes make a comeback at the movies?
Well they are trying some...

Of late, how did these do $?

Solomon Kane is a 2009 (loved this one)
The Green Hornet 2011
Conan the Barbarian 2011
John Carter 2012
The Lone Ranger 2013

Yeah you can look at a million things they did wrong, why they weren't "true" to the material, wrongly cast, director, etc... Sadly the execs will probably just look at the $ .

But I think the pulps are always trying to make a comeback.
 
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I really liked Solomon Kane and John Carter, the later failed mainly due to so many other franchises having taken from it
 
John Carter was a good movie (very different from the book which I loved) but still good. Unfairly maligned.

And John Carter is like the definition of pulp hero.
 
It was different from the book? Didn't know that, is the difference that big?
 
Solomon Kane I really enjoyed. Its a shame it didn't do well enough to get a sequel.

Pulp author Robert E. Howard created Solomon Kane and Conan The Barbarian.
 
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It was different from the book? Didn't know that, is the difference that big?
It is completely different. Some main events are common to the book but the arrangement of the story, the motivations of the characters and even the characters themselves are very very different.

The book is kind of like your male fantasy pulp novel with a badass hero. But it is also a very good book for the kind of book it is.

So the movie is very different. It is like they liked the source material enough to make a movie but not enough to be faithful.
 

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