Can superheroes ever exist??

[Grim Goblin]

Sorry Question, didn't mean to yell but I just wanted to make sure what I meant was clearly understood this time.

As for the "they can't see you but you can't see them" argument that was brought up, It's not exactly that simple. First I would think that anybody who chucks a flashbang somewhere to blind perps will first take a mental note of everyone's position.

There's also the fact that in a situation where visibility is an issue and you have multiple opponents, they're going to try to get a bead on where their buddies are to avoid hitting THEM instead of you. You on the other hand, just have to hit whatever's standing (unless there's a bystander there, in that case refer to the previous point).

 

[Grim Goblin]

While we're talking costumes let's get one thing straight right now, those things are a ***** in real life situations.

The only way to really look like a feral/supernatural creature is to go with movie-grade FX suits that look good but are totaly useless because of the lack of motion range. Also, the kind of make up you see in movies need constant touch ups between scenes. Something that will obviously not be available to a crimefighter who's sweating through his prostetics for hours on ends. Those things are not exactly resistant either. A few punches would tear them appart easily.

Spandex. Good for liberty of movements but unless you fight like Yoda it's not really going to be that practical. It rips up easily and doesn't really strike fear in anyone's mind if they're above 4 years old. Not the warmest thing to wear either when prowling on rooftops or dark alleys.

Capes are a good way to die really quickly. Anybody can yank you by the throat with one of those.

leather is a tough material but can be restrictive. It also cause a few other problems depending on what the leather item is (jacket, coat,pants etc..).

Anyone has an opinion on what makes a good costume?

 

[The Question]

First of all, you're forgeting one thing about the overall image: Most crime fighting will be happening very late at night in dark alleyways. It's going to be ****ing dark. You wouldn't need movie grade make up. Like I said, the mask, face paint, fangs, and contact lenses will do the trick. In low light environments, that's going to look pretty damn scary.

The cape thing is an interesting question. The cape can have uses, especially to help with the image thing. And, if you design it properly, it could be easily removable if it ever got caught on anything.

As for the material, I'd go with something like what ninjas wear, with reinforcements of leather and kevlar in the proper areas.

 

[Justice-Man]

If you got the grapes...

you can rock the ROBIN...

 

[Grim Goblin]

First of all, you're forgeting one thing about the overall image: Most crime fighting will be happening very late at night in dark alleyways. It's going to be ****ing dark. You wouldn't need movie grade make up. Like I said, the mask, face paint, fangs, and contact lenses will do the trick. In low light environments, that's going to look pretty damn scary.

The cape thing is an interesting question. The cape can have uses, especially to help with the image thing. And, if you design it properly, it could be easily removable if it ever got caught on anything.

As for the material, I'd go with something like what ninjas wear, with reinforcements of leather and kevlar in the proper areas.

But unless you stay in one spot and hope that criminals will choose that area to do their thing, you're going to have to leave the really dark areas sometimes.

 

[Grim Goblin]

If you got the grapes...

you can rock the ROBIN...

See, I look at that picture and I feel like shooting him....And I'm not even a criminal

 

[The Question]

But unless you stay in one spot and hope that criminals will choose that area to do their thing, you're going to have to leave the really dark areas sometimes.

It's four AM in an alleyway. They're pretty much all dark areas.

 

[Grim Goblin]

It's four AM in an alleyway. They're pretty much all dark areas.

yes but like I said, unless your intention is to stake out a particular alley, you're going to patrol around. Eventually you'll have to go from one city block to another in order to reach the next alley. Now unless you can fly, you'll have to cross a street which will be lit up.

Going on rooftops would be one thing but I doubt people can jump across the gap between city blocks.

 

[Bill]

Okay. My mian question is, what will these professionals do? They don't know who you are or where you live or even what you look like. You can't order a hit on someone when you don't know anything about them. And I think you're over estimating people here. Folks can be easily scared by the unusual. Especially if that unusual thing is known to beat the holy hell out of those in your profession.

I think you're gravely overestimating the effect your costume will have, and the quality of street thugs or drug dealers you seem to think you'll be facing. And folks aren't "easily scared by the unusual" because what exactly, with everything on television and movies these days, defines "unusual?"

The first think you're going to deal with is an incease in the number and arms of your thugs. You'll be going against multiple targets, all armed. And if they are something along the lines of mercenaries or pros hired by the big boss, then they won't be nice and together for flash bangs, gas nades or any other NL's to affect. Then the technology. Can you afford night vision? Thermals? You better, because they can and will.

As for figuring out who you are, write me up your complete tactics list, equipment list and area of operation, and I bet that I can get close to producing a profile of just who they'd look for. And they'll have that because the cops will be looking for you too, and they'll have forensics, evidence of your equipment left behind and a host of other clues that will eventually give you up.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

They actually checked into this one on the Discovery channel. The speed at which he would move would require a very large amount of energy. Since humans get our energy from the food we eat (calories) he would need to eat constantly just to sustain his accelerated metabolism.

I didn't know that they did a doc on him. But yeah, the amount of energy required to power his muscles would be BEYOND enormous for the human body.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

But unless you stay in one spot and hope that criminals will choose that area to do their thing, you're going to have to leave the really dark areas sometimes.

Furthermore most crime happens behind closed doors. Domestic violence, robbery, mafia deals, serial murders. So unless you only want to beat up muggings in progress (which would be incredibly hard to find since you could not get intel on them) or risk your neck amidst gang shootouts, or even foolishly attempt to stop drive bys, you're not going to make any ground staking out rooftops and alleyways. Criminals may be stupid, but they are not so stupid as to put their criminal actions in a place where they would be easily spotted (usually).

 

[ShadowBoxing]

While we're talking costumes let's get one thing straight right now, those things are a ***** in real life situations.

The only way to really look like a feral/supernatural creature is to go with movie-grade FX suits that look good but are totaly useless because of the lack of motion range. Also, the kind of make up you see in movies need constant touch ups between scenes. Something that will obviously not be available to a crimefighter who's sweating through his prostetics for hours on ends. Those things are not exactly resistant either. A few punches would tear them appart easily.

Spandex. Good for liberty of movements but unless you fight like Yoda it's not really going to be that practical. It rips up easily and doesn't really strike fear in anyone's mind if they're above 4 years old. Not the warmest thing to wear either when prowling on rooftops or dark alleys.

Capes are a good way to die really quickly. Anybody can yank you by the throat with one of those.

leather is a tough material but can be restrictive. It also cause a few other problems depending on what the leather item is (jacket, coat,pants etc..).

Anyone has an opinion on what makes a good costume?

Good Costume. There is only one that comes to mind....this one

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

But then, that Nighthawk kicks ass ALL the way around.

I loved that line, "First we're going to talk, and then I'm going to kill you. So the longer you talk, the longer you live."

 

[ShadowBoxing]

But then, that Nighthawk kicks ass ALL the way around.

I loved that line, "First we're going to talk, and then I'm going to kill you. So the longer you talk, the longer you live."

Oh my favorite is still "prick"

 

[Grim Goblin]

Good Costume. There is only one that comes to mind....this one

Let's see...

Leather suit: tough material, check
Ventilation for the mouth: check

is the weave next to the metal "feathers" some form of kevlar or just more ventilation? either way

chest armor: check
No cape: check

yep that's a pretty good costume. the only thing though is that he's going to reak when he slips out of that suit. No matter how good the ventilation is on that suit, he's still going to sweat profusely in there.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Let's see...

Leather suit: tough material, check
Ventilation for the mouth: check

is the weave next to the metal "feathers" some form of kevlar or just more ventilation? either way

chest armor: check
No cape: check

yep that's a pretty good costume. the only thing though is that he's going to reak when he slips out of that suit. No matter how good the ventilation is on that suit, he's still going to sweat profusely in there.

Yeah it's a snazzy design. As for the sweating, that's okay, Nighthawk is so badass he uses his own sweat to hydrate himself after a night of killing whiteyt:

 

[The Question]

yes but like I said, unless your intention is to stake out a particular alley, you're going to patrol around. Eventually you'll have to go from one city block to another in order to reach the next alley. Now unless you can fly, you'll have to cross a street which will be lit up.

Going on rooftops would be one thing but I doubt people can jump across the gap between city blocks.

True. But then, if it's very late at night, there won't be many people about. At most someone will probably see you from a distance.

I think you're gravely overestimating the effect your costume will have, and the quality of street thugs or drug dealers you seem to think you'll be facing. And folks aren't "easily scared by the unusual" because what exactly, with everything on television and movies these days, defines "unusual?"

People are still freaked aout by weird ****. Most just choose not to aknowledge it until said weirdn **** happens.

The first think you're going to deal with is an incease in the number and arms of your thugs. You'll be going against multiple targets, all armed. And if they are something along the lines of mercenaries or pros hired by the big boss, then they won't be nice and together for flash bangs, gas nades or any other NL's to affect. Then the technology. Can you afford night vision? Thermals? You better, because they can and will.

A majority of criminals are not that well funded or organized. Most of the time, you'd be running into low level pushers and muggers. I doubt most would upgrade the way you describe it. As for the mercenaries, I ask again: How the hell would they find you? They don't know who you are, where you live, or what you even look like. You can't order a hit out on someone when you don't know who they are. And pretty much no mobster is going to outsource for a hired killer. They tend to keep it in the family.

As for figuring out who you are, write me up your complete tactics list, equipment list and area of operation, and I bet that I can get close to producing a profile of just who they'd look for. And they'll have that because the cops will be looking for you too, and they'll have forensics, evidence of your equipment left behind and a host of other clues that will eventually give you up.

How? The only main evidence that could be lest behind are the flashbangs, smoke grenades, and if you use them, any throwing knife type weapons. And you know what? That sort of stuff can be made with over the counter materials if you have the proper skills in chemistry and metal working. As for area of operation, the best bet would probably be to constantly switch up patrol routs. And tactics doesn't narrow it down enough to catch you.

Furthermore most crime happens behind closed doors. Domestic violence, robbery, mafia deals, serial murders. So unless you only want to beat up muggings in progress (which would be incredibly hard to find since you could not get intel on them) or risk your neck amidst gang shootouts, or even foolishly attempt to stop drive bys, you're not going to make any ground staking out rooftops and alleyways. Criminals may be stupid, but they are not so stupid as to put their criminal actions in a place where they would be easily spotted (usually).

True. But as I said, you dow what you can do. Will you change the world? No. But you'll probably save some lives. Drug dealers also tend to work on the streets. At least the low level ones tend to. And, as I said, evidence illegally obtained by a private citizen can still be used in court. So, if you break into a suspected drug dealer's house to find evidence and give it to the cops, you're good to go.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Yeah it's a snazzy design. As for the sweating, that's okay, Nighthawk is so badass he uses his own sweat to hydrate himself after a night of killing whiteyt:

yeah, Unfortunately it would make it harder for someone to use it in real life. After a few nights out that suit would smell so much that stealth would become really difficult. It's hard to sneak on someone when they can smell you before you can even get close.

 

[The Question]

yeah, Unfortunately it would make it harder for someone to use it in real life. After a few nights out that suit would smell so much that stealth would become really difficult. It's hard to sneak on someone when they can smell you before you can even get close.

That's why we having washing machines, my friend.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

True. But as I said, you dow what you can do. Will you change the world? No. But you'll probably save some lives. Drug dealers also tend to work on the streets. At least the low level ones tend to. And, as I said, evidence illegally obtained by a private citizen can still be used in court. So, if you break into a suspected drug dealer's house to find evidence and give it to the cops, you're good to go.

This is a television myth. I go to College with drug dealers, some friends who work out in my gym are drug dealers, and they make themselves known. They tend to work on a social network basis. Friends, families and neighbors. They don't just set up some stand in Central Park or in an alleyway. In fact one of the most notorious drug dealers in my city is a Doctor, and he has been known to make sales out of his office. So the short answer is very seldom would you find a drug deal going down just outside somewhere.

Also evidence obtained without warrent through means of breaking and entering would be inadmissible in court. You'd have to personally turn the evidence into the Police yourself and explain how you obtained said evidence, because for all they know you are planting or making false accusations.

 

[Grim Goblin]

That's why we having washing machines, my friend.

Leather suit in a regular washer uh right...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Leather suit in a regular washer uh right...

That's why the have dry cleaning....oh sh**t:

 

[Grim Goblin]

Yeah Question, nothing personal but where and when exactly do you live, because criminal gangs and drug cartels aren't like that anymore.

 

[Grim Goblin]

That's why the have dry cleaning....oh sh**t:

yeah that wouldn't exactly help to keep a secret ID now would it ?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah Question, nothing personal but where and when exactly do you live, because criminal gangs and drug cartels aren't like that anymore.

Well in the Batman comic they are still like that. I would note to anyone who believes this, the REAL WORLD of crime is far different and a lot less glorified and glamorized than the crime depicted in the media.