Can superheroes ever exist??

ShadowBoxing said:
This is a television myth. I go to College with drug dealers, some friends who work out in my gym are drug dealers, and they make themselves known. They tend to work on a social network basis. Friends, families and neighbors. They don't just set up some stand in Central Park or in an alleyway. In fact one of the most notorious drug dealers in my city is a Doctor, and he has been known to make sales out of his office. So the short answer is very seldom would you find a drug deal going down just outside somewhere.

Well, I stand corrected.

ShadowBoxing said:
Also evidence obtained without warrent through means of breaking and entering would be inadmissible in court. You'd have to personally turn the evidence into the Police yourself and explain how you obtained said evidence, because for all they know you are planting or making false accusations.

Not true. If you are a police officer, evidence obtained without warrent through means of breaking and entering would be inadmissible in court. This does not apply to the average joe on the street. If you do break into someone's house to look for evidence and find some, the police can use it in court.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Well in the Batman comic they are still like that. I would note to anyone who believes this, the REAL WORLD of crime is far different and a lot less glorified and glamorized than the crime depicted in the media.

Life would be so much simpler if criminals were exactly like in the Batman comics.
 
The Question said:
Not true. If you are a police officer, evidence obtained without warrent through means of breaking and entering would be inadmissible in court.
Police can do terry stops or if they have reasonable cause to search a property, yes it is admissable.
This does not apply to the average joe on the street. If you do break into someone's house to look for evidence and find some, the police can use it in court.
Not true. In fact not only will they dismiss the evidence, they will ask the person whose house you broke into if he'd like to press charges.

They'll probably seize the drugs you found. But there is no way for you or them to press charges at that point.
 
Grim Goblin said:
Life would be so much simpler if criminals were exactly like in the Batman comics.
Evidence tends not to come in riddles and playing cards these days. Oh bother :csad:
 
Problem, leather isn't machine washable (unless you want to ruin it). You gotta dry clean it. You might be able to find home dry cleaning kits for your dryer but that's it. So you'd have to have 2-4 back up suits and have a dry cleaner that will clean them for you on the down low.


No the best way to make a superhero suit is layers. An under layer of spandex. A full body suit that covers feet hands and head. Everything but the face. This will soak up sweat and is machine washable. Then leather body suit with some kind of armour built into the torso. Boots, maybe steel toed. Gloves with some kind of fore-arm guard built in. For head covering some kind of helmet maybe. with a face mask. But the eyes should be some kind of goggles. That wrap around, made out of something like a 1 way mirror.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Police can do terry stops or if they have reasonable cause to search a property, yes it is admissable.

Not true. In fact not only will they dismiss the evidence, they will ask the person whose house you broke into if he'd like to press charges.

Which is exactly why the most viable option for a real-life crime-fighter is too stick to mugging, rape attempts, etc... basicaly stuff that happens out in the open.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Not true. In fact not only will they dismiss the evidence, they will ask the person whose house you broke into if he'd like to press charges.

They'll probably seize the drugs you found. But there is no way for you or them to press charges at that point.

Yes, there is. The need for a warrent only applies to police officers. If a private citizen does something illegal to gain evidence, the evidence can be used in court.
 
lars573 said:
Problem, leather isn't machine washable (unless you want to ruin it). You gotta dry clean it. You might be able to find home dry cleaning kits for your dryer but that's it. So you'd have to have 2-4 back up suits and have a dry cleaner that will clean them for you on the down low.


No the best way to make a superhero suit is layers. An under layer of spandex. A full body suit that covers feet hands and head. Everything but the face. This will soak up sweat and is machine washable. Then leather body suit with some kind of armour built into the torso. Boots, maybe steel toed. Gloves with some kind of fore-arm guard built in. For head covering some kind of helmet maybe. with a face mask. But the eyes should be some kind of goggles. That wrap around, made out of something like a 1 way mirror.

See now THAT 's what I'm talking about :up:
 
The Question said:
Yes, there is. The need for a warrent only applies to police officers. If a private citizen does something illegal to gain evidence, the evidence can be used in court.
You're missing a step. You have to PRESS CHARGES in order for someone to go to court. For example, when a cop pulls you over the State (as represented by the officer) is pressing charges. So unless you PRESS CHARGES and have proof it's his drugs it's thrown out. End of story.

You cannot just arrest someone because they are tied to a searchlight surrounded by drugs.
 
The Question said:
A majority of criminals are not that well funded or organized. Most of the time, you'd be running into low level pushers and muggers. I doubt most would upgrade the way you describe it. As for the mercenaries, I ask again: How the hell would they find you? They don't know who you are, where you live, or what you even look like. You can't order a hit out on someone when you don't know who they are. And pretty much no mobster is going to outsource for a hired killer. They tend to keep it in the family.

Even the lowest level pusher is backed by a syndicate. If you seek to affect their business, then they will take steps to protect their investment at the lowest level, if need be. Muggers are a different kind of criminal, and you'll be lucky to be at the right place and the right time.

The drug trade isn't all ran by the mafia, and they don't all act like their movie counterparts. They'll have no problem outsourcing a merc team if you live long enough to make yourself a nuisance, and they will be just as well equipped as you, if not better. And they won't be constrained by the need to not hurt innocents. They'll set up deals and trades in places that are designed to be guarded. You'll be relegated to going after muggers and drunken bullies.

As for how they'd find you. How will you get your FB's? Any of your equipment? Know any people on the street who can move that for you? Have any government contacts who can get a hold of that kind of equipment? You're going to have to buy it in bulk or frequently, and that can be traced. You can't leave blood, fingerprints, hair, particles of any kind behind. The cops will be investigating this as well.


The Question said:
How? The only main evidence that could be lest behind are the flashbangs, smoke grenades, and if you use them, any throwing knife type weapons. And you know what? That sort of stuff can be made with over the counter materials if you have the proper skills in chemistry and metal working. As for area of operation, the best bet would probably be to constantly switch up patrol routs. And tactics doesn't narrow it down enough to catch you.

So all I need to do is look for someone buying a more than usual amount of chems that assist in the making of the items you described. You also need delivery devices and raw material to make them and your throwing weapons. Your AO will be rather constant, so I will post my pros at strategic locations. They will not interfere, at first. They want to get to know you. As for tactics, if you employ certain types of tactics, you obviously had to be trained in them by someone. You're either ex-military or ex-government or got that training by someone ex-military or ex-government. And that kind of training isn't the same as some average grunt or agent training. We'd be talking SEAL level or above. Even your martial arts training would be high level, and in a variety of different disciplines. You'd have to be extremely well financed, because you wouldn't have time to work. You'd have to have a method of transportation. That would have to parked somewhere each night and you'd have to go to it or be picked up before dawn. You would eventually get injured. So you'll have a doctor lined up. All of these things include a level of logistics that have to be considered, and will be considered by those looking for you. They'll find you.

You never came up with an answer for my thermal or NVG's, and those types of items are not something that would be difficult for drug cartels to supply. Most of them have their own small armies. They can spot you and track your movements. And if they decide to let you go about your business and not interfere, they will find out where you live or where your base of operations might be. You're going to have to have locations around the city to rest, regroup and re-equip. So, your patterm of movement will be detectable.

Or, they could just move all operations out in more open places or work during the day and leave you with nothing to do.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Evidence tends not to come in riddles and playing cards these days. Oh bother :csad:

Yeah, more's the pity :csad: .

Imagine a world where criminals are afraid of tights. That's a world where people could be safe in (as long as aliens don't come to take over or something alike).
 
Grim Goblin said:
Yeah, more's the pity :csad: .

Imagine a world where criminals are afraid of tights. That's a world where people could be safe in (as long as aliens don't come to take over or something alike).
Well the Aliens are all afraid of fire, so got that covered.
 
Bill said:
They'll have no problem outsourcing a merc team if you live long enough to make yourself a nuisance, and they will be just as well equipped as you, if not better. And they won't be constrained by the need to not hurt innocents.

You never came up with an answer for my thermal or NVG's, and those types of items are not something that would be difficult for drug cartels to supply. Most of them have their own small armies. They can spot you and track your movements. And if they decide to let you go about your business and not interfere, they will find out where you live or where your base of operations might be. You're going to have to have locations around the city to rest, regroup and re-equip. So, your patterm of movement will be detectable.

Yeah, unfortunately the real crime bosses don't have the common courtesy to send just one costumed assassin to take you out in a glorious, dramatic rooftop battle. No, they have to get a bunch of guys with guns...big babies :O
 
ShadowBoxing said:
You're missing a step. You have to PRESS CHARGES in order for someone to go to court. For example, when a cop pulls you over the State (as represented by the officer) is pressing charges. So unless you PRESS CHARGES and have proof it's his drugs it's thrown out. End of story.

You cannot just arrest someone because they are tied to a searchlight surrounded by drugs.

And I wasn't talking about tying someone to a search light. I was talking about tipping the ppolice off to the fact that whatever evidence you've found is there, or better yet, taking the evidence and sending it to the police, telling them where you found it. I'm fairly certain that's enough to allow their aquiring a warrant, although I might be wrong.

Bill said:
Even the lowest level pusher is backed by a syndicate. If you seek to affect their business, then they will take steps to protect their investment at the lowest level, if need be. Muggers are a different kind of criminal, and you'll be lucky to be at the right place and the right time.

That's not true. Many drug dealers act on their own.

Bill said:
The drug trade isn't all ran by the mafia, and they don't all act like their movie counterparts. They'll have no problem outsourcing a merc team if you live long enough to make yourself a nuisance, and they will be just as well equipped as you, if not better. And they won't be constrained by the need to not hurt innocents. They'll set up deals and trades in places that are designed to be guarded. You'll be relegated to going after muggers and drunken bullies.

Actually, the mob will have problems outsourcing mercs. First of all, mercenaries are expensive, and having them gaurd deals just to compinsate for one guy is bad buisness. Second, they prefer to use their own guys because the less people who've seen them preforming criminal acts, the better.

Bill said:
As for how they'd find you. How will you get your FB's? Any of your equipment? Know any people on the street who can move that for you? Have any government contacts who can get a hold of that kind of equipment? You're going to have to buy it in bulk or frequently, and that can be traced.

Alot of equipment could be home made. The only truely expensive and traceble equipment would be the body armor, I'd think.

Bill said:
You can't leave blood, fingerprints, hair, particles of any kind behind. The cops will be investigating this as well.

DNA is only useful for evidence if there's a suspect.

Bill said:
So all I need to do is look for someone buying a more than usual amount of chems that assist in the making of the items you described.

Buy them from different places.

Bill said:
You also need delivery devices and raw material to make them and your throwing weapons.

No you wouldn't. You could take scrap metal from a junkard for throwing weapons.

Bill said:
Your AO will be rather constant, so I will post my pros at strategic locations.

Again, switching up patrol routs would be a good way to go. Especially if you do it randomly.

Bill said:
They will not interfere, at first. They want to get to know you. As for tactics, if you employ certain types of tactics, you obviously had to be trained in them by someone. You're either ex-military or ex-government or got that training by someone ex-military or ex-government. And that kind of training isn't the same as some average grunt or agent training. We'd be talking SEAL level or above.
Why would it have to be SEAL level or above? Getting the drop on someone and beating them up with a big stcik after temporarily blinding them doesn't require insane levels of training. In any event, you could learn from some former military man. And there are tons of former military personel in any city. You're telling me you'd track down everyone in the city who's been trained in military combat techniques?

Bill said:
Even your martial arts training would be high level, and in a variety of different disciplines.

Why the hell would you need to be trained in a variety o different disciplins? That sounds like a waste of time to me. You would need to become a very skilled fighter, but learning mutliple styles seems unnecessairy.

Bill said:
You'd have to be extremely well financed, because you wouldn't have time to work.

I'd think that would depend on the job and how long you patrol every night.

Bill said:
You'd have to have a method of transportation. That would have to parked somewhere each night and you'd have to go to it or be picked up before dawn. You would eventually get injured. So you'll have a doctor lined up.

You could simply go to a regular hospital and say "I got mugged" or "I broke my arm doing _____"

Bill said:
All of these things include a level of logistics that have to be considered, and will be considered by those looking for you. They'll find you.

Not necessairily. I really think it would be harder to figure out than the way you describe it.

Bill said:
You never came up with an answer for my thermal or NVG's, and those types of items are not something that would be difficult for drug cartels to supply. Most of them have their own small armies. They can spot you and track your movements. And if they decide to let you go about your business and not interfere, they will find out where you live or where your base of operations might be. You're going to have to have locations around the city to rest, regroup and re-equip. So, your patterm of movement will be detectable.

What the hell? Low level drug dealers generally don't have their own small armies, and organized crime within a city, while possessing plenty of manpower, would not have what I'd call a "small army." As I said, I doubt it would be that easy to track you. Cities are huge places, and tracking down one guy is never easy.
 
The Question said:
And I wasn't talking about tying someone to a search light. I was talking about tipping the ppolice off to the fact that whatever evidence you've found is there, or better yet, taking the evidence and sending it to the police, telling them where you found it. I'm fairly certain that's enough to allow their aquiring a warrant, although I might be wrong.
Not only would sending it incriminate you (because YOUR fingerprints would be on it) but it would totally remove the guilty party. They'd lose those drugs you sent or dropped off, but they cannot just take you at your word.

Furthermore, the cops already have informants. The reason they have them is because they cannot just trust some average joe for information. They need someone (like an insider) who they can give leverage too. Or even better yet have a field agent go undercover. However, you in a cape won't sway them to investigate some crime unless you call it in and identify yourself.

That's not true. Many drug dealers act on their own.

They may act on their own but a larger agency provides them with the product and they get a cut. Unless they grow or produce it on their own.

Actually, the mob will have problems outsourcing mercs. First of all, mercenaries are expensive, and having them gaurd deals just to compinsate for one guy is bad buisness. Second, they prefer to use their own guys because the less people who've seen them preforming criminal acts, the better.

How would you know exactly? There was a hitman who lived here in a local homeless shelter (partially to cover his tracks) and he was batf*** crazy too. I truly doubt his rates were high.

Alot of equipment could be home made. The only truely expensive and traceble equipment would be the body armor, I'd think.

If you make it at home you might as well write your name on it, pretty much a dead give away to forensic scientists.

DNA is only useful for evidence if there's a suspect.

Not true, you could be on file in Hospital records or employee records.

Buy them from different places.

You'd have to buy all your stuff locally in cash to avoid a paper trail. Buying things in bulk as suggested by Begins doesn't do sh**. And that stuff doesn't exactly store easily in the home.

No you wouldn't. You could take scrap metal from a junkard for throwing weapons.

Now we are stretching it. You'd have to have a wide array of facilities open and available to you in order to make and manufacture weaponry.

Again, switching up patrol routs would be a good way to go. Especially if you do it randomly.

You still will find very little if that. Cops have trouble catching crimes in progress without phonecalls.

Why would it have to be SEAL level or above? Getting the drop on someone and beating them up with a big stcik after temporarily blinding them doesn't require insane levels of training. In any event, you could learn from some former military man. And there are tons of former military personel in any city. You're telling me you'd track down everyone in the city who's been trained in military combat techniques?

Most likely, yes they would. Actually they would not even need to search the whole city. Just around the spots you've been seen.

Why the hell would you need to be trained in a variety o different disciplins? That sounds like a waste of time to me. You would need to become a very skilled fighter, but learning mutliple styles seems unnecessairy.

You'd need a lot of training to be specific. You'd at least have to be noticably in shape, spend lots of time in the gym, have martial arts or combat training. That narrows down suspects quiet a bit. Especially considering that a recent study found only 98% of America is in what's considered "Athletic Shape". You'd have to be beyond that 2%.

I'd think that would depend on the job and how long you patrol every night.

Well your pretty much going to kill your social life since crime happens between 10 and 2 am. You probably will have friends or social interactions unless you will become a Punisher style hermit. You will at least need people who can account for your whereabouts.

You could simply go to a regular hospital and say "I got mugged" or "I broke my arm doing _____"

"Hi, I got shot playing football, can you help me out?"

Not necessairily. I really think it would be harder to figure out than the way you describe it.

Not really. You won't have the ability to lay low like serial killers if indeed your goal is to "make a difference". And unless like Nighthawk and Punisher you are willing to kill, all your going to do is piss off a bunch of thugs and the Police for interfering with investigations.
 
The Question said:
That's not true. Many drug dealers act on their own.

Where do you suppose they get the drugs they sell?

The Question said:
Actually, the mob will have problems outsourcing mercs. First of all, mercenaries are expensive, and having them gaurd deals just to compinsate for one guy is bad buisness. Second, they prefer to use their own guys because the less people who've seen them preforming criminal acts, the better.

I doubt you'd get that far, but the expense of hiring mercs or pros would be easily compensated when they got rid of one guy who was biting into a major portion of their trade. And their own guys usually aren't pushovers either. Either way, you won't be waiting atop a darkened staircase for the unsuspecting drug dealer to walk under you and do his thing.

The Question said:
Alot of equipment could be home made. The only truely expensive and traceble equipment would be the body armor, I'd think.

You still have to buy the raw materials to put together. You also need large amounts of it because you'll be patrolling each night and getting into scrapes on regular basis, and I'd imagine you'll be using the smoke more than often because you'll be wanting to escape the barrage of bullets heading your way.

The Question said:
DNA is only useful for evidence if there's a suspect.

DNA isn't the only piece of the puzzle.

The Question said:
Buy them from different places.

Mail order or in person? Will you buy in bulk or make frequent purchases using dummy names? Will you change up the chems from each separate company each time you order or will you buy the same chem from the same company each time?

The Question said:
No you wouldn't. You could take scrap metal from a junkard for throwing weapons.

Scrap metal is traceable. They won't know exactly where you got it, but they'll know what kind of metal it is and what it came from. They'll be able to narrow it down to you either cannibalizing something or visiting a junkyard. So you'll also need to be trained in metalworking. You won't just be making throwing weapons, you'll be making grenade bodies and fuses and some type of ignition system.

The Question said:
Again, switching up patrol routs would be a good way to go. Especially if you do it randomly.

That's fine, but unless you plan on carrying everything with you, you will either have to have a cache or two, or you will be relegated to only one mission a night.

The Question said:
Why would it have to be SEAL level or above? Getting the drop on someone and beating them up with a big stcik after temporarily blinding them doesn't require insane levels of training. In any event, you could learn from some former military man. And there are tons of former military personel in any city. You're telling me you'd track down everyone in the city who's been trained in military combat techniques?

The kind of training you'd need wouldn't be hard to track down. You wouldn't need to track down everyone, just those with SF training. And you would need training and discipline to do the things you'd need to do in order to survive.

The Question said:
Why the hell would you need to be trained in a variety o different disciplins? That sounds like a waste of time to me. You would need to become a very skilled fighter, but learning mutliple styles seems unnecessairy.

So what single style would you employ to handle gun wielding thugs and professionally trained gunmen? Remember, they're not going to out to just hurt you, they're going to be trying to kill you.

The Question said:
I'd think that would depend on the job and how long you patrol every night.

So you're going to be a "part-time" vigilante?

The Question said:
You could simply go to a regular hospital and say "I got mugged" or "I broke my arm doing _____"

Actually, it'd be more along the lines of,"Doctor, I got shot doing______." Or "Nurse, I got stabbed doing_______." I hope you have good insurance, and a good explanation for the cops who ask why you're visiting the ER so often and a good alias when the guys who injured you start checking the ER's for you.

The Question said:
Not necessairily. I really think it would be harder to figure out than the way you describe it.

If it is difficult to figure out for them, then it will be the same for you. There are levels of contingency that you have to consider if you plan on doing this for more than a week.

The Question said:
What the hell? Low level drug dealers generally don't have their own small armies, and organized crime within a city, while possessing plenty of manpower, would not have what I'd call a "small army." As I said, I doubt it would be that easy to track you. Cities are huge places, and tracking down one guy is never easy.

No, low level dealers wouldn't, but the men who supply them their drugs would, and they would do one of two things. They would either stop supplying the dealer you took out or supply him with muscle to deal with you. And if that didn't work, they would find someone in your city with enough muscle to deal with you and supply to them. No one works in that trade "alone."

Also, like I said. Those watching you would just watch. You would have to either have an extremely intricate network to know where to catch everyone doing their thing or just get lucky. Frankly, I would place a drug deal right in your AO, and set a sniper armed with a NV and thermal scope with a clear field of fire in that area. You would never hear the shot that killed you. And a decent sniper is cheap.
 
ShadowBoxing said:
Not only would sending it incriminate you (because YOUR fingerprints would be on it)

That's why God invented gloves.

ShadowBoxing said:
but it would totally remove the guilty party. They'd lose those drugs you sent or dropped off, but they cannot just take you at your word.

You could have taken a photo of said evidence in the home of whatever criminal you're investigating for furthur proof.

ShadowBoxing said:
Furthermore, the cops already have informants. The reason they have them is because they cannot just trust some average joe for information. They need someone (like an insider) who they can give leverage too. Or even better yet have a field agent go undercover. However, you in a cape won't sway them to investigate some crime unless you call it in and identify yourself.

Like I said, if you actually send them evidence, inclduing photographic evidence, it might be enough to get them interested.

ShadowBoxing said:
They may act on their own but a larger agency provides them with the product and they get a cut. Unless they grow or produce it on their own.

Which some do.

ShadowBoxing said:
How would you know exactly? There was a hitman who lived here in a local homeless shelter (partially to cover his tracks) and he was batf*** crazy too. I truly doubt his rates were high.

A hitman and a mercenary are two different things. Hitmen pretty much always work for a specific organized crime group. The only freelance ones are assassins, and they are usually tied up in political killings.

ShadowBoxing said:
If you make it at home you might as well write your name on it, pretty much a dead give away to forensic scientists.

Why? If you're using over the counter chemicals and scrap found in a junkyard, how would it specifically tie any evidence left behind to you?

ShadowBoxing said:
Not true, you could be on file in Hospital records or employee records.

They still need a suspect. They can't check your DNA against every person in the city who's on file.

ShadowBoxing said:
You'd have to buy all your stuff locally in cash to avoid a paper trail. Buying things in bulk as suggested by Begins doesn't do sh**. And that stuff doesn't exactly store easily in the home.

Which is why you have some place to hide them.

ShadowBoxing said:
Now we are stretching it. You'd have to have a wide array of facilities open and available to you in order to make and manufacture weaponry.

That depends almost entirely on the weapons. If we're talking throwing knives/shurikn, all you really need is the proper type of metal and carving tools.

ShadowBoxing said:
You still will find very little if that. Cops have trouble catching crimes in progress without phonecalls.

I never made the claim otherwise. But you'll help some people down the line.

ShadowBoxing said:
Most likely, yes they would. Actually they would not even need to search the whole city. Just around the spots you've been seen.

And what if you've been seen all over the city? Or if you got training in a completely different part of the city from where you've been spotted?

ShadowBoxing said:
You'd need a lot of training to be specific. You'd at least have to be noticably in shape, spend lots of time in the gym, have martial arts or combat training. That narrows down suspects quiet a bit. Especially considering that a recent study found only 98% of America is in what's considered "Athletic Shape". You'd have to be beyond that 2%.

Why would you have to be beyond it? I doubt it would require you to be at the absolute peak of human physical condition. Simply in very good shape and possessing good combat skills.

ShadowBoxing said:
Well your pretty much going to kill your social life since crime happens between 10 and 2 am. You probably will have friends or social interactions unless you will become a Punisher style hermit. You will at least need people who can account for your whereabouts.

Again, it depends on your job. If you go to bet about 3 AM, then you'd wake up about 10-12. Unless you have some sort of cubicle job, it's not out of the question to get a job where you start at about noon. Work till about eight at night, then come home and get ready for patrol.

ShadowBoxing said:
"Hi, I got shot playing football, can you help me out?"

Or, as I said, you could say that you got mugged.

ShadowBoxing said:
Not really. You won't have the ability to lay low like serial killers if indeed your goal is to "make a difference". And unless like Nighthawk and Punisher you are willing to kill, all your going to do is piss off a bunch of thugs and the Police for interfering with investigations.

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to lay low. I mean, unless you're onto some major breakthrough in bringing down a criminal organization (which seems highly unlikely), then you could probably afford to take a break for a while until the heat dies down.

Bill said:
Where do you suppose they get the drugs they sell?

Some drugs can be made in the home. Not all, but some.

Bill said:
I doubt you'd get that far, but the expense of hiring mercs or pros would be easily compensated when they got rid of one guy who was biting into a major portion of their trade. And their own guys usually aren't pushovers either. Either way, you won't be waiting atop a darkened staircase for the unsuspecting drug dealer to walk under you and do his thing.

Still, there's not much they can do if they don;t know who you are or where you're going to be at any given time.

Bill said:
You still have to buy the raw materials to put together. You also need large amounts of it because you'll be patrolling each night and getting into scrapes on regular basis, and I'd imagine you'll be using the smoke more than often because you'll be wanting to escape the barrage of bullets heading your way.

True. But like I said, buy different supplies in different places to avoid total suspcion.

Bill said:
Mail order or in person? Will you buy in bulk or make frequent purchases using dummy names? Will you change up the chems from each separate company each time you order or will you buy the same chem from the same company each time?

Probably a combination of all of those.

Bill said:
Scrap metal is traceable. They won't know exactly where you got it, but they'll know what kind of metal it is and what it came from. They'll be able to narrow it down to you either cannibalizing something or visiting a junkyard. So you'll also need to be trained in metalworking. You won't just be making throwing weapons, you'll be making grenade bodies and fuses and some type of ignition system.

I didn;t say it would be easy.

Bill said:
That's fine, but unless you plan on carrying everything with you, you will either have to have a cache or two, or you will be relegated to only one mission a night.

You wouldn't have to be carrying a huge arsenal. It's doubtful you'd get into a **** load of scrapes. You'd probably stop across a few muggings on a more active night and none on what I would hope are the more common nights.

Bill said:
The kind of training you'd need wouldn't be hard to track down. You wouldn't need to track down everyone, just those with SF training. And you would need training and discipline to do the things you'd need to do in order to survive.

Of course. But really, there are more than a few people in one city capable of training you like that. And this whole thing hinges on wether or not they'd tell anybody about you.

Bill said:
So what single style would you employ to handle gun wielding thugs and professionally trained gunmen? Remember, they're not going to out to just hurt you, they're going to be trying to kill you.

And what does that have to do with learning multiple styles? Knowing more than one style doesn't automatically make you a better fighter. There are specific moves in some styles that are highly useful, but that doesn't make any one style better than any other, nor does it make learny multiple styles in their entirety necessairy.

Bill said:
So you're going to be a "part-time" vigilante?

You can't do it 24 hours a day.

Bill said:
Actually, it'd be more along the lines of,"Doctor, I got shot doing______." Or "Nurse, I got stabbed doing_______." I hope you have good insurance, and a good explanation for the cops who ask why you're visiting the ER so often and a good alias when the guys who injured you start checking the ER's for you.

There are multiple hospitals in one city. I doubt you'd need to go to the same one every time. As for excuses, saying "I got mugged" for the harder to explain injuries would suffice, but for simple cuts, bruises, and broken bones, which would be the most common injuries you would sustain, there are many different possible explenations.

Bill said:
If it is difficult to figure out for them, then it will be the same for you. There are levels of contingency that you have to consider if you plan on doing this for more than a week.

Of course. But, a vigilante would have a slight advantage. If a person's a mob boss, you know he;s a mob boss even if it can't be proven. The mob would have no idea who a vigilante is.

Bill said:
No, low level dealers wouldn't, but the men who supply them their drugs would, and they would do one of two things. They would either stop supplying the dealer you took out or supply him with muscle to deal with you. And if that didn't work, they would find someone in your city with enough muscle to deal with you and supply to them. No one works in that trade "alone."

Actually, some do. There are drug dealers in the world who make their own drugs. Also, if you take out a dealer, he's going to be in jail. Thus, they wouldn;t have the chance to supply him with reinforcements. And as I said, sending a hitman after someone who's name, home, and physical apearence are completely unknown to them is problamatic.

Bill said:
Also, like I said. Those watching you would just watch. You would have to either have an extremely intricate network to know where to catch everyone doing their thing or just get lucky. Frankly, I would place a drug deal right in your AO, and set a sniper armed with a NV and thermal scope with a clear field of fire in that area. You would never hear the shot that killed you. And a decent sniper is cheap.

As I said, frequent changing of patrol routs would solve that problem. They wouldn't know where you would be on any given night
 
Okay. These big long reply things are a pain in the ass for everyone. Let's just drop it and get back to the actual topic of the thread, as in the possibility and/or lack there of of superhuman abilities.
 
The Joker said:
what a wonderfully rationed and well thought out argument :o

A question of this nature doesn't deserve a wonderfully rationed and well thought out argument because the question doesn't deserve one. Don't you think if being a superhero or if it was possible to even be like a hero like Batman or whatever, it would have happened already?
 
Jerry said:
A question of this nature doesn't deserve a wonderfully rationed and well thought out argument because the question doesn't deserver one.

What? That's like saying the reason stealing is illegal is because stealing is illegal.

Jerry said:
Don't you think if being a superhero or if it was possible to even be like a hero like Batman or whatever, it would have happened already?

With the Batman aspect, there have been vigilantes in the past with avrruing degrees of success. But with super powers, well, logically they'd be quite rare and dificult to atain if they did exist.
 
I dunno if this has been mentioned, but isn't Lance Armstrong sorta a "superhuman"? For cryin out loud! The guy's heart is 3 times that of a normal person!
 
Maybe if you have less than two testicles, you gain superhuman strengths.

I mean, you lose something so valuable, you have to get something good in return, right?
 
Dog the Bounty Hunter is about as close as to a superhero as you people are going to get. And even he can't outrun the law, as his current "mishap" in Me-hico proves.
 

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