Civil War What will be the ramifications of Civil War?

[drod1985]

I could see that happening. But will Bucky or Falcon take up the CA persona for Infinity War Pt. 1? Or will they leave passing the torch for a future movie?

 

[MbJ]

The Avengers will shatter and it will take Infinity War to reunite them.

 

[BarryAllen]

They will split apart. And Infinity War will force them to put their egos aside and work together, causing the Avengers to assemble again.

 

[Loki882]

So basically we get one movie where they're at each others throat's for most of the movie and only came together as a team in the last act and then went their separate ways. Then a second movie where they're at each other's throats and may split up at the end. And then a third movie where they go to war with each other. You know, it'd be nice to have the Avengers be an actual team for any real length of time before fighting each other again. Just a thought.

 

[Dark Raven]

So basically we get one movie where they're at each others throat's for most of the movie and only came together as a team in the last act and then went their separate ways. Then a second movie where they're at each other's throats and may split up at the end. And then a third movie where they go to war with each other. You know, it'd be nice to have the Avengers be an actual team for any real length of time before fighting each other again. Just a thought.

And people like Rock Sexton were coming down on me a couple of years ago for questioning whether the Avengers were actually a formal team by the end of the movie:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=383561

Funny how, when it comes to 2015 and Age of Ultron, the Avengers won't have ever assembled again in all that time since the battle of New York, and Cap was working with SHIELD for 2 years until the events of the Winter Soldier and not as part of the Avengers.

And from AOU onwards, their whole team seems to be rather fractured with people leaving.

They've been more of a global response team who only band together in emergencies, and not a team like the X-Men or even the Guardians now, who stay together. Anyone, it seems, could be part of this response team at any time, like a kind of "all hands on deck" approach in the face of world threats and destruction.

 

[meanmc]

So basically we get one movie where they're at each others throat's for most of the movie and only came together as a team in the last act and then went their separate ways. Then a second movie where they're at each other's throats and may split up at the end. And then a third movie where they go to war with each other. You know, it'd be nice to have the Avengers be an actual team for any real length of time before fighting each other again. Just a thought.

That`s right!
But i think nowadays they are thinking, that this would be "too boring"
Every character has to have some problems (with others), seems, that they think, if all is fine, nobody would buy the characters...

In my opionion they are rushing some stuff to much. But i think they do this to have a development, and are afraid, if they would not do some (fast) changes, the people would not buy the tickets...

I would love to see a second Avenger movie where they finally are a team, and battle as a team.
But, we will have the original team splitting up during the movie, and at the end only Captain America will be left (who will then maybe die a year later)

 

[JAK®]

The original point of the team in the comics was that they acted separately but banded together for major threats, however due to the serial nature of comics they appeared to be a permanent team.

Since the films come out once every two years they can go back to the original concept and it will actually work in that fashion.

 

[MbJ]

That`s right!
But i think nowadays they are thinking, that this would be "too boring"
Every character has to have some problems (with others), seems, that they think, if all is fine, nobody would buy the characters...

It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with contract disputes and suspending disbelief. We already have a bunch of people complaining "Where were Iron Man and the Hulk in The Winter Soldier?" and "Why didn't Captain America help Thor fight Malekith!" even though we saw the Avengers disband.

Imagine how much worse that'd be if the Avengers were still together as an actual team but the creators still chose to focus on solo stories? For a variety of reasons we rarely see the other heroes crossing over into each other's movies other than cameos, and that'd become harder for the audience to accept if the heroes are all living together and supposedly acting as a team.

 

[Shikamaru]

So basically we get one movie where they're at each others throat's for most of the movie and only came together as a team in the last act and then went their separate ways. Then a second movie where they're at each other's throats and may split up at the end. And then a third movie where they go to war with each other. You know, it'd be nice to have the Avengers be an actual team for any real length of time before fighting each other again. Just a thought.

This is by far my biggest problem with the idea.

It feels like there never was an Avengers team in the first place outside a marketing standpoint, and more like a few individuals that just happened to cross paths on a few occasions. The whole "being a team" thing seemed to have happened off-screen between TWS and AoU. And if that's the only time I'm getting to see them as a team - a glimpse in the overall grand scheme of things - I can't get as invested as I want to be when that team falls apart.

It also makes the ending to the first film a bit disappointing in retrospect, because when you see the team break off from SHIELD and Tony building Avengers Tower at the end, you get a sense that "now the real Avengers team is coming t:".

 

[Shikamaru]

The original point of the team in the comics was that they acted separately but banded together for major threats, however due to the serial nature of comics they appeared to be a permanent team.

Since the films come out once every two years they can go back to the original concept and it will actually work in that fashion.

It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with contract disputes and suspending disbelief. We already have a bunch of people complaining "Where were Iron Man and the Hulk in The Winter Soldier?" and "Why didn't Captain America help Thor fight Malekith!" even though we saw the Avengers disband.

Imagine how much worse that'd be if the Avengers were still together as an actual team but the creators still chose to focus on solo stories? For a variety of reasons we rarely see the other heroes crossing over into each other's movies other than cameos, and that'd become harder for the audience to accept if the heroes are all living together and supposedly acting as a team.

You can still play them up as just a response team who only band in case of emergencies while still providing them with a strong team dynamic. For one, getting at least one film where they're a team from beginning till end would be nice.

 

[Dark Raven]

You can still play them up as just a response team who only band in case of emergencies while still providing them with a strong team dynamic. For one, getting at least one film where they're a team from beginning till end would be nice.

I think they will be a response team ultimately. But then, even the combined might of the Avengers, Guardians and Defenders could be seen as one big response team when they take on Thanos (well, if the Defenders are there, which I hope they are).

 

[BullMcGiveny]

The original point of the team in the comics was that they acted separately but banded together for major threats, however due to the serial nature of comics they appeared to be a permanent team.

Since the films come out once every two years they can go back to the original concept and it will actually work in that fashion.

Hit it on the head.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I am speculating here, but here goes.

Captain America winds up in jail by the end of Civil War, Iron Man's side wins out, and the "heroes have to work for the government or else they will be hunted down and arrested" thing will be the status quo for the MCU all the way up until the Avengers: Infinity movies. Sole movies like Black Panther, Doctor Strange, and possibly even Captain Marvel will be affected by this, as will AOS and the Netflix shows to a lesser extent. The Inhumans I don't know, because we don't even know if that movie will even take place on earth at all.

This means Iron Man wins in the short term, but the Avengers is weakened and fractured when Thanos finally gets all the stones. They all finally have to unite but the threat will be can Rogers and Stark work together after the Civil War? Can characters like Strange, Captain Marvel, and Panther work with characters like Thor, Hawkeye, Widow and Hulk long enough to save the entire universe from Thanos and his power?

I imagine the MCU will be feeling the effects of this movie all the way to the end of phase 3.

 

[Infinight888]

I am speculating here, but here goes.

Captain America winds up in jail by the end of Civil War, Iron Man's side wins out, and the "heroes have to work for the government or else they will be hunted down and arrested" thing will be the status quo for the MCU all the way up until the Avengers: Infinity movies. Sole movies like Black Panther, Doctor Strange, and possibly even Captain Marvel will be affected by this, as will AOS and the Netflix shows to a lesser extent. The Inhumans I don't know, because we don't even know if that movie will even take place on earth at all.

This means Iron Man wins in the short term, but the Avengers is weakened and fractured when Thanos finally gets all the stones. They all finally have to unite but the threat will be can Rogers and Stark work together after the Civil War? Can characters like Strange, Captain Marvel, and Panther work with characters like Thor, Hawkeye, Widow and Hulk long enough to save the entire universe from Thanos and his power?

I imagine the MCU will be feeling the effects of this movie all the way to the end of phase 3.

I think this is close.

I think at the end of the movie, it will turn out Tony was being manipulated by somebody (Hydra?), and Cap and Iron Man will team up to defeat the true villain. However, I think Tony will then completely take over the division that's hunting superheroes, and Captain America will still be a fugitive.

Then it will go as you suggest, with Tony and Steve having to work together again in Infinity War.

 

[JOE]

If Cap dies, I want him to stay dead. Too many death fake/outs in the MCU. This one needs to hurt the GA.

I've read a few people on these boards saying they'd like to see him die taking down Thanos. I'd like to see him die trying to take down Thanos, and failing at the end of Civil War Part 1 as soon as Thanos crashes the party.

Completely crush the audiences heart, completely crush the Avengers. You have the main villain of the MCU make his entrance 10 minutes left in Part 1, and have Cap stand up to him and take him on. One on one. Then, sky's the limit for Part 2. An all out, emotional battle with Thanos to avenge Cap and the other lost Avengers at Thano's hand/gauntlet.

 

[peterparker0077]

Yeah, would be nice to have them working as a team and not at each others throats.... if anyone has seen the BBC Musketeers show, that team dynamic is awesomely written... was hoping to see something like that with Avengers.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i think tony and steve can't come to agreement on certain things and each form their own team with loyalists

OR cap flat out bites it, and they can bring him back in avengers 3/4 with gauntlet shenanigans

 

[BullMcGiveny]

These projections of how the Captain America trilogy will end are depressing as hell.

 

[TalismanRing]

These projections of how the Captain America trilogy will end are depressing as hell.

Agreed.

I don't understand why death let alone permanent character death is something to be aspired to in comic movies. Do some people think by making the endings dark and depressing as hell that the films then become more important or *legitimate*?

 

[Suzanne78]

As I stated before in another thread: if Cap's "death" somehow gives me bearded Chris Evans in a final scene hiding out in Wakanda or something… then yes, give me Cap's death!

 

[Xeno]

Agreed.

I don't understand why death let alone permanent character death is something to be aspired to in comic movies. Do some people think by making the endings dark and depressing as hell that the films then become more important or *legitimate*?

Too many fans have embraced the "dark and gritty" cliche. Some not only want Steve to die, they want the films to divert from the comics by having him stay dead. I find the lust for Cap's blood annoying. He probably will die in IW1, which would be fine if it served the larger story. But killing Captain America just because it happened in the comics, to make way for an inferior replacement or in a misguided quest for a darker tone would be a mistake.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Cap surrendering and being killed by a sniper with a vibranium bullet at his trial leading into Black Panther? Not returning till 2019?

 

[Steamteck]

I am speculating here, but here goes.

Captain America winds up in jail by the end of Civil War, Iron Man's side wins out, and the "heroes have to work for the government or else they will be hunted down and arrested" thing will be the status quo for the MCU all the way up until the Avengers: Infinity movies. Sole movies like Black Panther, Doctor Strange, and possibly even Captain Marvel will be affected by this, as will AOS and the Netflix shows to a lesser extent. The Inhumans I don't know, because we don't even know if that movie will even take place on earth at all.

This means Iron Man wins in the short term, but the Avengers is weakened and fractured when Thanos finally gets all the stones. They all finally have to unite but the threat will be can Rogers and Stark work together after the Civil War? Can characters like Strange, Captain Marvel, and Panther work with characters like Thor, Hawkeye, Widow and Hulk long enough to save the entire universe from Thanos and his power?

I imagine the MCU will be feeling the effects of this movie all the way to the end of phase 3.

This would definitely have the bad guy won vibe if Cap ended up I jail as how completely repeatedly untrustworthy the Govt has proved to be in the MCU. MCU has made storylines I despise good before but Civil War? Worse piece of Drek I'd read in decades. I'm seriously not looking forward to it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Captain America fake death.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Agreed.

I don't understand why death let alone permanent character death is something to be aspired to in comic movies. Do some people think by making the endings dark and depressing as hell that the films then become more important or *legitimate*?

It isn't just Cap dying. There are some who want Tony to prevail. That'd be some kind of end to Steve's ostensibly solo journey.