Civil War Cap 3 or Avengers 2.5?

[MadVillainy]

I still think that Captain America and Stark need to hold the bulk of the focus/screentime by a long shot

I said this in another thread, but I think all of the Cap/SHIELD centric characters & Stark should have a bulk of the focus/screen time

I mean I think Rudd will be good as Ant Man but do we really need him to have a big role in a Captain America movie? Same with Spider-Man or even Black Panther. And I love both those characters but I don't need to see them having major roles in Cap 3

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I believe the Captain America vs Iron Man conflict is going to be the emotional core of the movie. And the Winter Soldier is going to be important too.

 

[ARA]

Aside from Pierce, the main character of CATWS were Cap, Natasha and Fury. You could also add Falcon, even though he didn't have as much stake in it.

M&M have copped to Fury's role being a demand of the study, and I think the same has been implied in regards to Natasha.

I have no problems seeing the studio pushing for as much avengers as possible.

 

[MynAmeIsedDie90]

It is better to call it Captain America 3 because that way the Russo bros can get away with focusing on only a small group of characters and making the roles of all of the other heroes a lot smaller into essentially glorified cameos. It will give the movie a better focus since it will not be a team ensemble film. Whedon had to make sure every character in AOU had enough screen time, and that was completely exhausting for him.

 

[Steelsheen]

truthfully it should be called Avengers: Civil War. sounds more to me like this is a financial legalities excuse because Chris Evans only has 3 more films to go in his contract, and they dont want to give him the leverage of getting him for one more film. so typical of cheapskates Marvel

this is the most logical reason behind it, given what we know of the plot and the composition of the cast. i mean seriously, how are they even gonna insert the plot between Steve and Bucky now, which is the cliffhanger from TWS?

say what they will in press releases, real world wheeling and dealing shows that there are major Avengers actors in this cast-- actors Marvel is paying $$$$$ to play, having RDJ and ScarJo on board will already eat up considerable amount of screentime, how much more everybody else-- even if they are just bit parts? its just not logically possible for a movie thats supposed to run under 3 hours. unless they're gonna do an AOU and overstuff it and yeah.... not a good idea.

i just worry that the "divas" are gonna muscle their way in into Evan's movie and Cap ends up being no more significant than he is in a regular Avengers movie. which sucks because TWS was really really good and they had a solid plot that can be such a compelling story for the 3rd film

 

[Webfoot Hero]

How about we wait and see about it being not CA-centric until after we hear set reports or see actual footage?

 

[Katsuro]

The "war" part is only intended to signify tension which ultimately transformed into physical violence. It doesn't have to be a literal war.

I still think that Captain America and Stark need to hold the bulk of the focus/screentime by a long shot

Of course they will be. You can have a movie about a war where you focus mostly on two characters on opposite sides, it doesn't mean that other characters can't be in the background. Vision and Scarlet Witch can appear in a few scenes, mostly in battle, without having a whole plot thread dedicated to their romance. And Spider-Man will probably share all of his scenes with either Cap or Tony. Any scene serving him will also serve one of the two.

 

[BatsDC]

Didn't people call the Winter Soldier Avengers 1.5 in its production? Look how that turned out.

This movie has to have all those characters in - mainly to carry on from where Age of Ultron left off, but also so we can have some awesome fight scenes. Civil 'War' needs more than two or three heroes.

 

[bored]

That was what I was initially worried about with it being a Cap movie instead of Avengers. I was concerned with it basically being as follows:

Iron Man: Hey! Heeeeyyyy! Register!
Cap: Naw, man.
IM: Very well!
*punches between two people exchanged while War Machine and Black Widow look on and shake their heads*


I'm having more faith the more I read about the movie that it's going to work well. More characters to fill out the ranks (keeps the stakes high), Baron Zemo likely posing as the threat that the two forces have to put aside their differences for (a la Tinkerer and his nanobots in the second "Ultimate Alliance" game).

 

[ctsketch]

Well Winter Soldier can be involved in the conflict which starts the SHRA (with crossbones as antagonist) and Steve could be protecting him. It is very easy to make it cap centric and a TWS sequal

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...il-war-as-captain-america-3-not-avengers-2-5/

 

[MadVillainy]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...il-war-as-captain-america-3-not-avengers-2-5/

Cool article

In terms of managing expectations, it is of paramount importance that Marvel continue to stress that Captain America: Civil War is in-fact a Captain America sequel and not a kind of Avengers movie. The irony of course is that the two big Marvel/DC films that were once slated to open head-to-head are now basically morphing into the same thing. Both were stand-alone sequels to stand-alone franchises that first added the big star of the respective universe and then a tossed in a bunch of other respective superheroes and a game-changing plot to form something akin to a giant ensemble film/mythology episode. I have no idea how much of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will be a Man of Steel sequel as opposed to a Batman and the Justice League prologue. And I have no idea how much of Captain America: Civil War will be a straight continuation of The Winter Soldier as opposed to Iron Man v Captain America: Dawn of Infinity Wars. But Marvel darn-well better be stressing the former, because the last thing they want to do is have pundits and analysts treating Captain America 3 like The Avengers 3.

Didn't people call the Winter Soldier Avengers 1.5 in its production? Look how that turned out.

This movie has to have all those characters in - mainly to carry on from where Age of Ultron left off, but also so we can have some awesome fight scenes. Civil 'War' needs more than two or three heroes.

Late response

I dont think that's a real fair comparison though. TWS was "Avengers 1.5" because it carried similar themes to Avengers. This is being called Avengers 2.5 because in addition to similar themes, the roster of heroes is larger.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Hell the roster of heroes in this movie numerically eclipses that of both Avengers movies alone, which is the reason why I am not too fond of the size of it.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Hell the roster of heroes in this movie numerically eclipses that of both Avengers movies alone, which is the reason why I am not too fond of the size of it.

Well, that's what you need if you want to pull off Civil War.

 

[Darkraid]

I said this in another thread, but I think all of the Cap/SHIELD centric characters & Stark should have a bulk of the focus/screen time

I mean I think Rudd will be good as Ant Man but do we really need him to have a big role in a Captain America movie? Same with Spider-Man or even Black Panther. And I love both those characters but I don't need to see them having major roles in Cap 3

Heard a rumor long time ago that in the script, Black Widow was arrested and jailed. So Ant-Man was used to break Widow out. I don't know if this is true.

 

[Steelsheen]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...il-war-as-captain-america-3-not-avengers-2-5/

fantastic article nailed all my concerns on the head and then some.

The irony of course is that the two big Marvel/DC films that were once slated to open head-to-head are now basically morphing into the same thing. Both were stand-alone sequels to stand-alone franchises that first added the big star of the respective universe and then a tossed in a bunch of other respective superheroes and a game-changing plot to form something akin to a giant ensemble film/mythology episode.

didnt even realize this until he said so.

I have no idea how much of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will be a Man of Steel sequel as opposed to a Batman and the Justice League prologue. And I have no idea how much of Captain America: Civil War will be a straight continuation of The Winter Soldier as opposed to Iron Man v Captain America: Dawn of Infinity Wars.

oh man that last bit got me but also

But Marvel darn-well better be stressing the former, because the last thing they want to do is have pundits and analysts treating Captain America 3 like The Avengers 3.

boom #THIS

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

This is a double edged sword in my opinion. If it is going to be just a marvel film with captain America as the title and civil war the subtitle with a whole lot of other marvel characters playing pivotal roles, then justice isn't done by calling this a captain America film.

If the film truly gives captain America the spotlight which it should since it's his film, then the civil war storyline, however much it will deviate from the comics, isn't being served justice. From my understanding, the civil wat storyline has 3 main characters: captain America, iron man, and spiderman, along with the rest of the marvel universe.

So either way, this film should've just been titled avengers 3 (avengers: civil war) making thanos av4, or just Marvel's civil war.

But Disney is already doing what that forbes article states they don't want them to do. They've got rdj contracted in that film with the expectations that it will outperform cap2. So it's really just about having a conglomerating marvel film with captain America in the title, and they know it's gonna perform huge because the former.

 

[MadVillainy]

Heard a rumor long time ago that in the script, [BLACKOUT]Black Widow was arrested and jailed. So Ant-Man was used to break Widow out. I don't know if this is true[/BLACKOUT].

You should put that in Spoilers in your post.

Even if it is just a rumor.

 

[ARA]

So now that everyone's seen it, what did you think?

 

[psylockolussus]

Civil War for me!

 

[Havok83]

So now that everyone's seen it, what did you think?

It works as a sequel to both films but it did feel more like Avengers 2.5

 

[BullMcGiveny]

It is the story of the Avengers ending. There are a couple of plot threads running that don't belong in a Cap3 movie; Vision and Wanda, everything about Black Panther.

Avengers 2.5 hands down.

 

[Bucky]

It's a Captain America movie featuring the Avengers in a supporting role; just like The Howling Commandos in Captain America: The First Avenger, and S.H.I.E.L.D in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

 

[Dark Raven]

As a halfway house, I'll say Captain America 2.5

 

[scarlet-witch]

I found this to be very much a Cap movie. I got slightly annoyed at reviewers trying to look down upon it as "Avengers 2.5" Nah, Cap was the heart of this. No Avengers movie would be centered around Bucky of all people. This was all Cap.