Civil War Cap 3 or Avengers 2.5?

[Loki882]

CW shouldn't be a "Cap movie" because there shouldn't just be ONE protagonist. If they do that, then Marvel is just telegraphing which side they're going to paint as being "in the right." Which was the major problem, though certainly not the only one, how biased and one-sided it was. Which is NOT how you should do it.

If they HAVE to do this story, then it should be "Avengers: Civil War" or "Marvel's Civil War" or something like that.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Not necessarily plenty of films follow the bad guy or the morally ambiguous guy, I bet Cap will do some stuff that will not make him look as good as the previous films

 

[Loki882]

We'll see. Given Marvel's treatment of both Cap and Tony over the last decade or so, both in comics and on film, I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll do that. If anything they seem obsessed with the idea of Cap being the most awesomest awesome guy ever who's always on the right side of every issue. Heck he couldn't even become one of the "inverted" heroes during the recent AXIS even because that would mean that Steve Rogers was on the wrong side for once (even if it was due to mind-messing) and we can't have that. But of course Tony could, in fact he STAYED that way for the whole Superior Iron Man thing.

Kind of telling as to who Marvel favors.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

We'll see. Given Marvel's treatment of both Cap and Tony over the last decade or so, both in comics and on film, I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll do that. If anything they seem obsessed with the idea of Cap being the most awesomest awesome guy ever who's always on the right side of every issue. Heck he couldn't even become one of the "inverted" heroes during the recent AXIS even because that would mean that Steve Rogers was on the wrong side for once (even if it was due to mind-messing) and we can't have that. But of course Tony could, in fact he STAYED that way for the whole Superior Iron Man thing.

Kind of telling as to who Marvel favors.

Well Evans said he'd like to see Cap make mistakes and not do the right thing all the time, and RDJ said you want to see more of Evans like he was in Snowpiercer.

Maybe it's my faith in Marvel at this point, but I think they will both have good and bad points, we'll just follow it from Cap's POV.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Or another way to look at it is they want Cap to lead their important films because they want him to be important, you don't have to watch TDW, GotG or IM3 between Avengers and AoU, but you will need to have seen TWS to understand the current situation.

Yeah, I don't quite understand how that'd work. Assuming that people don't think he's important and his movies are made like this to get more people to like him, and it works. Well, what then?

 

[ernesth100]

Then keep making movies, because if people like it, and it ain't broke. Don't fix it.

 

[TeeKay]

Its obviously Captain America 3. How are people not accepting of this? Feige and the Russo's said its Cap' s film. Heck even Downey said so. Cap's film have been the centre of the Marvel cinematic universe and will always have the most impact on the MCU up until Ragnarok that is. At this point I'll take the word of the people who are actually in charge of this film. The Russo's did such an incredible job on TWS, I trust them on CA:CW.

 

[fixxxer]

Absolutely Cap 3.

I would go further and state that the Civil War comic worked best when it was a Captain America story.

My two biggest criticisms of the comic are:
* Painting Iron Man and his cronies as complete and utter fascists.
* Unnecessary bloat which over-complicated things to the point of absurdity.

Thankfully, from what we're hearing from the Russos, Feige, Downey, Markus, McFeely and everyone else, they're going to be addressing both those issues. I think Civil War will not only be a spectacular movie... it will be a spectacular Captain America movie.

 

[TalismanRing]

Yeah, I don't quite understand how that'd work. Assuming that people don't think he's important and his movies are made like this to get more people to like him, and it works. Well, what then?

Yeah they think people don't like him so they put him in the front in the AOU poster. Obviously that was just a pity placement.

 

[Suzanne78]

I'm... Not entirely sure what's going on with the discussion in this thread?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah they think people don't like him so they put him in the front in the AOU poster. Obviously that was just a pity placement.

The poster where he went from second billed to fourth, you mean?

 

[Destructus86]

Absolutely Cap 3.

I would go further and state that the Civil War comic worked best when it was a Captain America story.

My two biggest criticisms of the comic are:
* Painting Iron Man and his cronies as complete and utter fascists.
* Unnecessary bloat which over-complicated things to the point of absurdity.

Thankfully, from what we're hearing from the Russos, Feige, Downey, Markus, McFeely and everyone else, they're going to be addressing both those issues. I think Civil War will not only be a spectacular movie... it will be a spectacular Captain America movie.

Hit the nail on the head.

I don't think anyone I know reading the comics was like "Oh yeah! Iron Man was totally right!"
It was a Cap story for sure.

 

[Steyin]

Cap is the moral backbone of the MCU, and this film will only serve to elevate that point even more so than WS did.

 

[TalismanRing]

The poster where he went from second billed to fourth, you mean?

That's all contractual and probably had to do with Hemsworth's agent making a lot of noise after Avengers. The contracts for billing were probably all done in 2012/2013 when some of the actors renegotiated. If they were done more recently not only would Evans be second but Scarlett wouldn't be 5th.

The fact is that second billing for Hemsworth has not netted Thor a more prominent place on the poster because Disney marketing has deemed Captain America now a more sellable charatcer. Just like a lower grossing TFA pushed Captain America all the way to the back of the poster even though he was 2nd billed and had the most screen time in the movie. Ergo if Disney thought he was unpopular he wouldn't be standing in the center and even a bit in front of Iron Man on their potential $1.5b+ movie poster and a lot of the merchandise.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Oh, and placement on the poster, that's not contractual?

 

[TalismanRing]

Oh, and placement on the poster, that's not contractual?

Rarely. Regarding posters what's commonly contracted is size of name and placement on poster.

He's not only front and center or sharing the center with RDJ's Iron Man on posters but almost all promotional material from popcorn buckets to mugs to banners to magazine covers.

The 2014 report on Disney/Marvel merchandise just came out and they've more than tripled their sales to $1b last year and by far their two biggest sellers in individual character merchandise are Iron Man and Captain America. I'm pretty sure what's most important to Disney is money and as a character CA has proven he makes them a lot of it so they respect him.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Actually, Evans is front. Downey is center, and upright.

Anyway, the start of this line of exchange was ernesth100 asking what would be the problem if this was Avenger 2.5. So if you want to comment on that...?

 

[TeeKay]

Wow.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

....

 

[Havok83]

CW shouldn't be a "Cap movie" because there shouldn't just be ONE protagonist. If they do that, then Marvel is just telegraphing which side they're going to paint as being "in the right." Which was the major problem, though certainly not the only one, how biased and one-sided it was. Which is NOT how you should do it.

If they HAVE to do this story, then it should be "Avengers: Civil War" or "Marvel's Civil War" or something like that.

IA with this. Just the scope of CW is bigger than one hero. This conflict shouldnt be relegated to a solo film. It should be a true ensemble where the issue of making one guy the star isnt an issue

 

[queendarkness12]

Didn't Mackie say this movie was going to be Avengers 3.8?

 

[ARA]

According to David Faraci, so does Marvel, it seems.

 

[Suzanne78]

I think a lot of people (Marvel, cast and crew, etc.) called TWS Avengers 1.5 too… and look how that turned out.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

I understand some of the concerns for this film. I'm never one to latch onto the negative. I can't stand it when nothing but speculation turns into damnation.

But I too, can't help but feel just a TAD worried for this. Especially since Spidey is rumored to make an appearance. I just don't like how the acquisition of Spidey has shifted all of the plans for the ENTIRE Phase 3. It all has an air of the "be careful what you wish for" about it.

With that being said, Marvel has earned the benefit of the doubt so I'm not all that worried. Maybe like, 10% worried.

And if the script is written well, I don't see how this won't be a Cap movie. You're all comic book fans...you know damn well characters pop in and out of each others books all the time. So lets just wait and see.

 

[peterparker0077]

The Russos, Markus and Mcfeely, were able to combine the Winter Soldier storyline with the Fall of shield story line seamlessly... it was great... I hope they combine the remainder of the TWS story line with Civil War just as well, and I am pretty sure they will... the writing and combining of stories reminds me of how well they did combined story arcs in Earth's Mightest Heroes...