Cap vs Wolvie

[roach]

No, I'm saying it gives an edge that can't just be brushed aside. So allow me to rephrase that early statement that 'experience is everything' with 'experience adds up to a whole hell of alot'. And in a fight like this, where things can go from long range to close range to hand to hand combat, it means alot. Getting in a situation with a deadly foe that you've never experienced before can get your ass handed to you.

As to the ignoring pain comment, you never heard of government agencies teaching guys to ignore pain in order to complete a mission?

yeah I heard of it in movies
lol...I'll have to remember that when Im at SERE school

 

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, no biggie. Thought you wer emocking me.

 

[roach]

I dont emock

 

[thor87]

my problem with people fighting wolverine is if you puch him it should break your hand, ever punched a wall, it hurst now puch the hardest metal in the world, i think that cap wouldnt beable to hurt him without using his shield, now granted cap being as smart as he is should figure out some way around this, but then add in wolverines healing factor, he wont go down easy, and when he does give him five minutes and hell be back up. Cap wont win this fight because wolverine has too many advantages on the physical level. However in the comics if this fight were written, Cap will win, cause well, he always does.

 

[roach]

my problem with people fighting wolverine is if you puch him it should break your hand, ever punched a wall, it hurst now puch the hardest metal in the world, i think that cap wouldnt beable to hurt him without using his shield, now granted cap being as smart as he is should figure out some way around this, but then add in wolverines healing factor, he wont go down easy, and when he does give him five minutes and hell be back up. Cap wont win this fight because wolverine has too many advantages on the physical level. However in the comics if this fight were written, Cap will win, cause well, he always does.

there are lots of ways to hit someone without hitting bone. Eye goughing, the midsection, pressure points,the nose, throat and ears.....

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

there are lots of ways to hit someone without hitting bone. Eye goughing, the midsection, pressure points,the nose, throat and ears.....

No kidding, people just automatically assume since Wolverine has a healing factor and an adamantium laced skeleton he would automatically win. Yes wolverine can recover quickly from most injuries and he has a better stamina level than Cap (which can be argued). But how long will he last once Cap crushes his larynx (sp)? Once Cap does that, Wolverine can no longer breat, and will only be able to continue to fight for a short time before passing out from oxygen deprevation.

 

[LongDong]

No kidding, people just automatically assume since Wolverine has a healing factor and an adamantium laced skeleton he would automatically win. Yes wolverine can recover quickly from most injuries and he has a better stamina level than Cap (which can be argued). But how long will he last once Cap crushes his larynx (sp)? Once Cap does that, Wolverine can no longer breat, and will only be able to continue to fight for a short time before passing out from oxygen deprevation.

Wolverine has more than metal in his favor. Way way way way more training and experience, lower center of gravity and a will to win at ALL costs.

Cap is a stud no doubt but his experience pales in comparison to Wolverines. His training PALES in comparison to Wolverines.

His physical strength stamina and speed advantages are what keeps this from being lopsided. Sure Cap may take a few matches out of the 10 they fight. Big difference is when Wolverine puts someone down, they are down. Cap would not go to the same lengths as Wolverine would. You give your enemy that many more chances to come back as you (even if you were beating them) they will eventually get you.

From what I hear the Origin series will have a big Wolverine vs Cap & X-Men fight coming up in a few issues. That should help answer this question.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Wolverine has more than metal in his favor. Way way way way more training and experience, lower center of gravity and a will to win at ALL costs.

Cap is a stud no doubt but his experience pales in comparison to Wolverines. His training PALES in comparison to Wolverines.

His physical strength stamina and speed advantages are what keeps this from being lopsided. Sure Cap may take a few matches out of the 10 they fight. Big difference is when Wolverine puts someone down, they are down. Cap would not go to the same lengths as Wolverine would. You give your enemy that many more chances to come back as you (even if you were beating them) they will eventually get you.

From what I hear the Origin series will have a big Wolverine vs Cap & X-Men fight coming up in a few issues. That should help answer this question.

Cap has taken on the Avengers single handedly. Cap knows that Wolverine can recover from virtually anything he throws at him, so I doubt he would hold back.

 

[SuGarRush]

Wolverine has more than metal in his favor. Way way way way more training and experience, lower center of gravity and a will to win at ALL costs.

Cap is a stud no doubt but his experience pales in comparison to Wolverines. His training PALES in comparison to Wolverines.

His physical strength stamina and speed advantages are what keeps this from being lopsided. Sure Cap may take a few matches out of the 10 they fight. Big difference is when Wolverine puts someone down, they are down. Cap would not go to the same lengths as Wolverine would. You give your enemy that many more chances to come back as you (even if you were beating them) they will eventually get you.

From what I hear the Origin series will have a big Wolverine vs Cap & X-Men fight coming up in a few issues. That should help answer this question.

Hoss, no ones arguing that Wolvies got a lot of training. Lets face up though man, Cap is one of the most skilled hand to hand combatants in the Marvel Universe. Hawkeye and many other heroes brag about being trained by him. Wolvie is a trained samurai, his weapon-x training was basically just like training a dog, trying to keep him from killing everything in sight. It wasn't skills or abilities, it was simply control. His spec-force training i will grant you would be effective, but Cap eats spec ops guys for breakfast.

All that being said, Cap is also in possession of one of the greatest strategic minds in the Marvel Universe. I think wolvie is a tough hombre, but in the end he's toast.

 

[Son Of Logan]

I thought I killed this idea that Wolverine is an unskilled killer a few pages ago, but apparently several of you haven't seen it.

CAPTAIN AMERICA
Abilities Captain America has mastered the martial arts of American-style boxing and judo, and has combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He has also shown skill and knowledge of a number of other martial arts. He engages in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peak condition. Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.


Vs.


WOLVERINE
Abilities Due to his extensive training as a soldier, a C.I.A. operative, a samurai, a spy, and a member of the X-Men, Wolverine is an exceptional hand-to-hand combatant, having mastered virtually every fighting style on Earth. He is also a trained expert in multiple types of weapons, vehicles, computer systems, explosives, and assassination techniques. Wolverine is fluent in many languages, including Japanese, Russian, Chinese, Cheyenne, Lakota, and Spanish; he has some knowledge of French, Thai, and Vietnamese.

 

[roach]

I thought I killed this idea that Wolverine is an unskilled killer a few pages ago, but apparently several of you haven't seen it.

who said he was an unskilled fighter.....it's just that when it comes to hand to hand Cap is the best

 

[Harlekin]

'Mastered every fighting style'. That's such bull****. We have seen absolutely no proof of this. He's skilled, but EVERY fighting style? Yeah, right.

 

[roach]

that's what happens when they allow wikipedia to write their hero bios...instead of looking at the old Marvel Universes

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I like how he failed to highlight "Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known." If that doesn't imply that he's equal to Wolverine, I don't know what does. But I'm not getting involved in here again, I just wanted to point that line out.

 

[Son Of Logan]

No...that wasn't the point. The point was that Wolverine is more than just a trained animal.

 

[Son Of Logan]

'Mastered every fighting style'. That's such bull****. We have seen absolutely no proof of this. He's skilled, but EVERY fighting style? Yeah, right.

Take it or leave it. It's directly off the Marvel website.

 

[roach]

Take it or leave it. It's directly off the Marvel website.

it also said he was a samurai and everything I have read said he was a failed samurai...so unless someone can point me to the issue that had the ceremony where he became a samurai the point is moot. The information is flawed

 

[LongDong]

'Mastered every fighting style'. That's such bull****. We have seen absolutely no proof of this. He's skilled, but EVERY fighting style? Yeah, right.

WHen you are a sold as he is (and not having spent mos tof your life in a deep freeze) what else is there to do than spend your time studying many forms of combat. The guy is over a hundred years old and lived every day of those 100 years to the full extent. Trained by many different people. You think he won't know how to combat Judo and Boxing? No problem. Throw in the fact that judo is TOUGH to do on someone so much smaller than you as you have less to work with. Judo is about grappling and such. Tie the person up, use your body as leverage to throw them, etc etc. That will be ineffective ons omeone as small and strong as Wolverine. Boxing? Easy way to lose a hand when throwing a jab at someone with claws like that. It all comes down to the shield and caps speed, strength and heart. Nobody better sure, but not enough against such a worthy opponent.

 

[LongDong]

I like how he failed to highlight "Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known." If that doesn't imply that he's equal to Wolverine, I don't know what does. But I'm not getting involved in here again, I just wanted to point that line out.

it does not imply equality. You are just reading that into it. Cap is a stud yes, but wolverine is much more diverse

 

[Darthphere]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @this thread.

 

[LongDong]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @this thread.

agreed, though I would never laugh like that bwahahaha ****. I am unsubscribing from this.

 

[Darthphere]

agreed, though I would never laugh like that bwahahaha ****. I am unsubscribing from this.

I dont know what youre talking about, youre one of the funnier guys in this thread, by funny I mean sad, by sad, I mean pathetic.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

WHen you are a sold as he is (and not having spent mos tof your life in a deep freeze) what else is there to do than spend your time studying many forms of combat. The guy is over a hundred years old and lived every day of those 100 years to the full extent. Trained by many different people. You think he won't know how to combat Judo and Boxing? No problem. Throw in the fact that judo is TOUGH to do on someone so much smaller than you as you have less to work with. Judo is about grappling and such. Tie the person up, use your body as leverage to throw them, etc etc. That will be ineffective ons omeone as small and strong as Wolverine. Boxing? Easy way to lose a hand when throwing a jab at someone with claws like that. It all comes down to the shield and caps speed, strength and heart. Nobody better sure, but not enough against such a worthy opponent.

What it comes down to is whom is the better fighter, not who knows more. And if you can't admit Cap is by far the better fighter, you my friend are ignorant.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

'By far'? Heh, thanks, I needed that laugh for today.

But let's be serious for a moment, there's no evidence presented that Cap is 'by far' a better hand to hand fighter. To the contrary, even with his shorter time in actual combat experience, he seems to at least equal Logan, as was stated a few posts up. Now let's not jump from equal to 'by far', then you'll have people saying Logan will cut through Cap's shield and then the thread's back to s#@!&.

 

[Harlekin]

WHen you are a sold as he is (and not having spent mos tof your life in a deep freeze) what else is there to do than spend your time studying many forms of combat.

Oh, spent time as a captive of Weapon-X for one. Everybody assumes that because Wolverine has lived for a about a 100 years that he has trained those 100 years. He went without training for at least 20/30 years in his early days, hasn't learned anything new in his last 10 years as an X-Men. Sure, that leaves a good 60 years, but with all the crap Logan has been through, I doubt he spent all of his time in Japan.

The guy is over a hundred years old and lived every day of those 100 years to the full extent. Trained by many different people. You think he won't know how to combat Judo and Boxing? No problem.

This however does not in fact equal knowing all styles of martial arts/fighting. Heck, I'd like to see Wolverine do Capoeira.

Throw in the fact that judo is TOUGH to do on someone so much smaller than you as you have less to work with. Judo is about grappling and such. Tie the person up, use your body as leverage to throw them, etc etc. That will be ineffective ons omeone as small and strong as Wolverine.

I know, I have practiced Judo. Judo could in fact be very effective against Wolverine. Pretty much any time the mutt comes a jumping at you, one could use that momentum to throw him around. Let's also not forget that Cyclops has schooled Wolverine with the use of Judo.

Boxing? Easy way to lose a hand when throwing a jab at someone with claws like that. It all comes down to the shield and caps speed, strength and heart. Nobody better sure, but not enough against such a worthy opponent.

Yeah, and Cap would be idiot to not stay on the defensive in their battle. It's why he has the shield. Both offensive and defensive. A few good hits of the vibranium/steel alloy should be able to knock Logan out.