The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[BatSpider]

Eh....

I personally like that he slimmed it down

 

[SheldonLevene]

I personally like that he slimmed it down

I see. I thought perhaps you didn't see the pic I was referencing.

 

[BatSpider]

I see. I thought perhaps you didn't see the pic I was referencing.

The one bout his face, he lost weight

 

[SheldonLevene]

The one bout his face, he lost weight

Correct.

 

[SLYspyder]

Bale's physical appearence is not an issue. Its not essential to the character in my opinion either. Yeah I dont want a skrony guy playing batman either but a lean body build is perfect for batman in my opinion. I dont know about you but how many bulky guys are able to be agile and stealthy while being athletic enough to move from one rooftop to the next. Having a lean body build is ideal for those attributes and as far as taking on thugs without a huge muscle mass, I will take a physically fit man with skills and fighting technique over any "huge" thug with no real sense of what it means to fight other than throwing haymakers. For those UFC fans out there just watch George St. Peirre fight and case closed. He is lean, very agile and has great technique as a fighter...he will knock you out.

Ever watch the Olympics? All the male gymnasts are huge, they're just shorter. Don't tell me someone with huge muscles can't be agile, they just won't be as agile as someone who is smaller. I mean, how agile does Batman have to be? He isn't Spider-Man.

So now, from your post above, it sounds like you're saying if Batman looked like a huge thug, he wouldn't know how to fight? Yeah, tell St. Peirre to fight a 50 lbs heavier with muscle version of himself. He'll be out in under a minute.
Hey, I bet the light heavy weights can beat up the heavy weights, right? I mean they're smaller and more agile, that means they must be faster, and after all, speed and agility is all you need to win a fight.

 

[nickyg641]

As far as Bale's size goes, he's not super buff, but he's in good shape. I don't think Batman needs to be huge. Just intimidating looking. Bale is a somewhat gaunt looking person generally, and I don't think buffing up a lot is going to change the fact that he has a very thin neck and an angular face. He's just going to have to make that work for the character.

Exactly, which is why I think it is necessary for him to bulk up. I generally didn't notice the gauntness of his features in BB, because he was big. But now that he's slimmed down, it really shows, and that's what I think makes him a lot less intimidating.

And so now we can see why he has that horrible overdesigned chestplate. Simply in order to match the overdesigned back plate. The "panels" on his suit are just awkward looking. They're cut very squarely, and they just look like someone glued panels to an undersuit. And the suit's poses in that render aren't any more mobile than some of the things he did in poses for BEGINS publicity or the movie itself.

But uh...it'll look better when it's LIT PROPERLY.

Riiight.

Because why would professional photographers light properly?

I love how that "early suit" production picture basically looks exactly like what we're seeing in finished photos of it.

Heh heh...really. When the suit and cowl look strange even in the movie, can we still blame it on bad lighting?

 

[HUMANIMAL]

wow...didnt recognize that there werent no changes made....nose looked the same in begins...so it wont bother me in the dark knight;-) but i sure mind a closer look at his nose this time

 

[Franky4Fingers]

Ever watch the Olympics? All the male gymnasts are huge, they're just shorter. Don't tell me someone with huge muscles can't be agile, they just won't be as agile as someone who is smaller. I mean, how agile does Batman have to be? He isn't Spider-Man.

So now, from your post above, it sounds like you're saying if Batman looked like a huge thug, he wouldn't know how to fight? Yeah, tell St. Peirre to fight a 50 lbs heavier with muscle version of himself. He'll be out in under a minute.
Hey, I bet the light heavy weights can beat up the heavy weights, right? I mean they're smaller and more agile, that means they must be faster, and after all, speed and agility is all you need to win a fight.

yeah I guess your right if batman ever was to face an average joe who just happened to be just as experienced in martial arts and just happened to be bigger then he may have a good match on his hands (not that it would be a sure thing he would lose). How many times do you think St. Pierre runs across somebody in the streets bigger than him and has the same or better martial arts experience....my guess very rarely if at all. Just for the record St. Pierre could prob give guys in the heavy weight class a run for their money.

 

[The Guard]

So the nose looks bad from one angle.

How does that excuse shooting/filming it from that angle for a magazine cover?

"Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder".

(points for the reference)

 

[Mandalore464]

I'm pretty sure that the Joker used a Dillinger in that scene, a very weak weapon. I could see that actually working.

I'm not too sure about what you mean by weak, buf if you mean "small caliber", it's a fact that the smaller the caliber is, the greater the penetrative power of the bullet will be. It's the power of the impact that's diminished with a small caliber, and it also requires more precision to actually hit any vital organ.

I'm pretty sure any gun could shoot through a plate the size of the one used by Keaton. But hey, that's cinema.

 

[BubbaGump]

I mean, seriously, this thread is ridiculous.

It goes like this:​

Poster A: "I think the Batsuit should look like this!"

Poster B: "OMGSTFUn00b u aren't teh l33t! OMG! Not comic faithful!"

Poster C: "But teh REAlISm!!!!!!11

Then, you multiply A * B * C, and so you end up with D.

If D is more provocative, then Regwic comes in and says:

Regwic: "I mock you! Your claim deserves serious refetation, and you are incorrect! Sorry!"

And someone like Saint will come in and post some manip that looks like pajams, and say:

"Batman needs to look like this becase:

• I'm right
• I'm Right
• I'm Right
• You're wrong

"

And then someone like Mr. Superhero will come along, and it's the same scenario all over again!

Seriously, this thread makes me laugh uproariously! I laugh at all the people who spend countless hours debating something that is so trivial, to minute, so meaningless to the rest of the general population in society that it really doesn't matter whose mini-essay is constructed with more persuasion because, at the end of the day, people get on with their lives.

WUH-ho0o0o0o0o!!!!!!!

Who are you guys trying to kid?

You guys go back and forth, and forth and back, and verbally *********e until until the proverbial cows come home.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddd, with that said, keeep arguing, LL.

Jimmy??

 

[Franky4Fingers]

Exactly, which is why I think it is necessary for him to bulk up. I generally didn't notice the gauntness of his features in BB, because he was big. But now that he's slimmed down, it really shows, and that's what I think makes him a lot less intimidating.


Heh heh...really. When the suit and cowl look strange even in the movie, can we still blame it on bad lighting?

I think its batman's mysterious nature that should make him intimidating. His lurking in the shadows, ability to fly in and grab thugs and in a blink of an eye dissapear back in the shadows, his element of suprise, and his pure aggressive nature.

 

[Saint]

So the nose looks bad from one angle.

How does that excuse shooting/filming it from that angle for a magazine cover?

"Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder".

(points for the reference)

Sounds like the Android Dungeon Q&A with the voice of Itchy & Scratchy...

 

[Saint]

Whoever did, did badly.
I think miller helped draw YO and DKR along with others. Something like that. Whateva!

Turn in your Fanboy membership card; you`re out.

 

[Sandouras]

Turn in your Fanboy membership card; you`re out.

Yeah, whatever dude.

If by that post you mean you liked the art of either of those comics, then you are a hypocrite.
If you mean to point out that i dont know who drew them, then yeah well, whatever. Who cares? If i dont like it, i dont like it, even if it was DaVinci who did the art.

 

[Hole Shot]

Jimmy??

I think so. He already got banned even.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think we have gone a few steps backwards with the Batsuits.


Despite all it's technical flaws... this was intimidating and sleek the way batman should be!

This suit doesn't quite evoke the same ideals...

Im just saying, if you want to keep the suits in the rubber/mechanical looking field - look at what they did in the 1st and 2nd movies and improve upon those.

It seems like they wanted to try something new here with the mesh... but got cold feet halfway through and through on those metal plates in any fashion.

 

[Hole Shot]

Im just saying, if you want to keep the suits in the rubber/mechanical looking field - look at what they did in the 1st and 2nd movies and improve upon those.

Which is what I felt they did with the Begins suit and then went a little over the top in TDK. But, again I have to see it in action. It's not just lighting, but the camera angle and editing, etc that will hid many of the flaws of the suit. It's when you see it in a still and have time to nit-pick that you can get really critical of it. I really have not complaints about the suit when I see it in the trailer except he's a little too spaceman looking at the beginning of the newest trailer.

 

[Saint]

Yeah, whatever dude.

If by that post you mean you liked the art of either of those comics, then you are a hypocrite.
If you mean to point out that i dont know who drew them, then yeah well, whatever. Who cares? If i dont like it, i dont like it, even if it was DaVinci who did the art.

Christ, take a joke.

 

[the_monk]

I think we have gone a few steps backwards with the Batsuits.


Despite all it's technical flaws... this was intimidating and sleek the way batman should be!

This suit doesn't quite evoke the same ideals...

Im just saying, if you want to keep the suits in the rubber/mechanical looking field - look at what they did in the 1st and 2nd movies and improve upon those.

It seems like they wanted to try something new here with the mesh... but got cold feet halfway through and through on those metal plates in any fashion.

Sorry, but I disagree. Keaton's always seemed too stiff to me. Why should I be afraid of someone who can barely move?

 

[The Guard]

Sounds like the Android Dungeon Q&A with the voice of Itchy & Scratchy...

Yup.

 

[I am Batman]

I think we have gone a few steps backwards with the Batsuits.


Despite all it's technical flaws... this was intimidating and sleek the way batman should be!

This suit doesn't quite evoke the same ideals...

Im just saying, if you want to keep the suits in the rubber/mechanical looking field - look at what they did in the 1st and 2nd movies and improve upon those.

It seems like they wanted to try something new here with the mesh... but got cold feet halfway through and through on those metal plates in any fashion.

Anyone else think the suit doesn't look bad when the ab section and legs are blocked from view?

 

[nickyg641]

Sorry, but I disagree. Keaton's always seemed too stiff to me. Why should I be afraid of someone who can barely move?

That's why he said "despite its technical difficulties". And I agree with him.

Visually, it's so much more appealing than the TDK suit and its clunky, robotic clutteredness. If we could only find a way to make that mobile.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

No ... just ... no.

Sorry.

Okay... I'm pretty sure I know wwhat the answer is, but... why is that then?

'Cause he made her a HOOKER! A HOOKER of all things! *grr say the women of the world, grrr*

Noseman

Lol!

People need to stop defending Bale's size. There's no excuse for it. Batman is one of the few super heroes whose strength is pretty much dependent on how he looks. It's not feasible for a lean human to do the things Batman does. And Batman needs to look physically intimidated, if only to psych criminals out of attacking him.

I agree. Since when did Batman have anything to do with "reality?" Batman is from a comic book and in those comic books he is huge and intimidating, BECAUSE he has no superpowers but his will and determination to get everything out of a human body that it is possible to get. In the comic books Batman is absolutely obsessive about training and working out, and he needs to look like it on film as well.

Batman needs to be able to climb ropes for miles with his arms alone.
Batman needs to be able to hold up the weight of men at arms length by one arm alone without difficultly.
Batman can take a beating from a mob with sticks and still manage to walk away.

Batman does some seriously bad-ass STRONG things and he needs to look like he is capable of them.

Bale's physical appearence is not an issue. Its not essential to the character in my opinion either. Yeah I dont want a skrony guy playing batman either but a lean body build is perfect for batman in my opinion. I dont know about you but how many bulky guys are able to be agile and stealthy while being athletic enough to move from one rooftop to the next. Having a lean body build is ideal for those attributes and as far as taking on thugs without a huge muscle mass, I will take a physically fit man with skills and fighting technique over any "huge" thug with no real sense of what it means to fight other than throwing haymakers. For those UFC fans out there just watch George St. Peirre fight and case closed. He is lean, very agile and has great technique as a fighter...he will knock you out.

Dude, this isn't a guy fighting on UFC. It's the goddamn Batman! t: He should look bad-@$$ and super strong! The guys on UFC don't have to go up against Bane or Superman okay?

Criminals are a cowardly, superstitious lot. I need an identity that will strike fear into their hearts.

[Suddenly, the ghost of Jimmy Durante flies into the room, startling Wayne]

That's it! A schnoz! I will become a schnoz!

I think so. He already got banned even.

One of my mortal enemies got banned? SWEET t: Haha.

Anyone else think the suit doesn't look bad when the ab section and legs are blocked from view?

It looks a bit better but it's still not nearly as cool as the BB suit. And I kind of like BR as well.

That's why he said "despite its technical difficulties". And I agree with him.

Visually, it's so much more appealing than the TDK suit and its clunky, robotic clutteredness.

Yah... think so.

 

[TNC9852002]

People always like to make their argument look better by only using the weakest picture available for reference..

It's no longer about just what looks cool. Begins had to establish that the suit was made for a particular purpose.

and like I said, that's an unfair picture to use, because that photo is essential a Joker photo. Batman isn't posing for the camera as much as in the Keaton photo. Angle and positioning is also very important:

^A bit anti-climatic?

We shouldn't even continue here until we've seen the movie...We all know that's where it really counts.

Hmmm...Another angle at Begins' suit. Pay attention to the cowl.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g170/vennwhoelse/Batman4.jpg

-TNC