The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[capt. slaughter]

Where is the TDK Tivo thread? Where is the TDK Tivo thread?!

did they let you out of your cage again???

 

[Watson]

As I said, they still want to have the armor look and this design I think gives them the lightest and most mobile option. I think the final product is going to look on screen.

I know that. My point was that if ventalating the actor was what they were going for, a cloth suit would make more sense.

I agree that seeing the suit in action a little more will probably impact my decision. And in terms of movement, the arms and torso are better if they are going to include armour in the design. It's just the legs I can't get past. I agree with Saint that they don't appear to provide any more mobility then just unrestricting the areas around the knee and ankles would have. Some of the pieces are gapped in areas where there aren't even muscles that would need more mobility. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[deathfromabove]

Yes, I am aware of that. I chose the statements I compared it to accordingly. I think repeated complaints about the suit, which are at least routed in critical examination of the costume, are no less worthy of discussion than the admission that one likes the suit, or the complaint that the comment has been made ad nauseam, and perhaps more worthy, depending on the specific instance.

i can see that.


One's decision to "stop listening or caring" seems more his/her problem than mine.

i guess it really depends on whether or not you are interested in getting your point across and having a convo or if you are more interested in hearing yourself talk.

what would be the point if everyone stop listening or caring what you said? dont you want to make yourself understood to everyone you communicate with or do you just want to prove you are smarter than them?

ultimately i would think it would more effective if, upon leaving a convo with the saint, you would prefer people left with an understanding of where you were coming from, a place of enlightenmnet and understanding, rather than just feeling like you are painting them as idiots. you have a lot of wisdom to share so why not try and be more effective in imparting said wisdom without to resorting to this very non con psuedo intellectual bullying that some seem to feel you engage in.

 

[deathfromabove]

The point of the TDK costume, weather you like it or not is to maint the armored look while giving the actor full range of motion and comfort. Some love it, some hate. As I said before, I'm waiting to really see it in context before judging rather than forming an opinion by overanalyzing the same still shots we see.

i too like to judge art of any kind in its proper context.

You spend to much time assuming you know how people that disagree with you think.

the above statement is going in my signature.


As I said, they still want to have the armor look and this design I think gives them the lightest and most mobile option. I think the final product is going to look on screen.

exactly. they are not going for maximum confort, just better than what had gone before.

Naturally, but it's a question of degrees. To what degree are they designed for mobility, and to what degree are they designed to look like technological nonsense? The amount of unnecessary an nonsensical breaks not conducive to mobility suggests they were more concerned with the appearance of technological nonsense. As I said, the breaks aren't the issue. The stupid way they were designed is the problem.

see, i dont see any unecessary breaks in the leg. everywhere there is a cut is someplace that will potentially encounter some flexion. i really dont know for sure because i have not seen them in action. in fact im not sure i will in the movie either knowing mr pfister.

Perhaps consider the Begins legs; looks at where the lines are on the thighs and kness. If you patterned your breaks on those lines, you'd have the same mobility, but it wouldn't look like crap. You could add an extra break or two if really necessary, and still have a superior design with comparable mobility.

i have not tried this but im assuming if following the curvature of the begins legs worked better they would have gone with that. the lines on the begins leg also have no horizontal breaks which seems to me might buckle more.

I didn't communicate myself clearly enough: I didn't mean to say that extremity ventilation was not helpful, just that body and head ventilation is more important. I'm not a runner, so I can't speak to that, but I can say that when I'm hot skiing, taking my gloves off or rolling up my sleeves won't do the trick--I've gotta open up my jacket.


I think it's possible they could incorporate some discreet ventilation in the ears of the cowl.

i would see it. so would you. and someone would ***** that it looked even more like the sonar suit and even his ears had techy lines all over them. admit it. you know its true. it would take but a nudge to make you like me. to push you outof the light...sorry, i lost my place.


Naturally.

In terms of the new suit having more pieces because it improves ventalation, I think that it is a moot point because I'm pretty sure they have always built in cooling systems for the Batsuit (such as a vest that is worn underneath the suit that has cold water pumped into it) or they have a fridge truck on set that the actor can sit in between takes (I think I remember Bale saying something to this end). Though while shooting there may be some discomfort caused by heat, ventalation is clearly not a priority in the design since they have other ways of dealing with it. If ventilation were, surely we would have ended up with a more comfortable and breathable cloth suit?

again, not most possible comfort just a managable compromise between mobilty, comfort and looks (which is of course completely and totally subjective.)

 

[Saint]

see, i dont see any unecessary breaks in the leg.

I really don't know what to say to this.

i have not tried this but im assuming if following the curvature of the begins legs worked better they would have gone with that.

No, they wouldn't have. Those legs don't suit the angular nature of the rest of the design, and would have required a considerably more organically styled torso.

the lines on the begins leg also have no horizontal breaks which seems to me might buckle more.

The Begins legs never noticeably buckled, by my recollection. They wrinkled, but they didn't buckle. The TDK legs, on the other hand, buckle like crazy around the crotch. I can't speak to the mobility of the TDK legs, but the BB legs were as flexible as you could ever need them to be, so I don't consider swapping them for ugly buckling legs a good move.

As I've said in the past, a good idea would have been to create a version of the Begins suit where the torso is built the same way the arms and legs are: thin, conservative foam rubber pads with intelligently placed breaks, instead of the thick, bulky chest and shoulders they ended up using, that caused all the crazy chest buckling.

i would see it. so would you. and someone would ***** that it looked even more like the sonar suit and even his ears had techy lines all over them. admit it. you know its true. it would take but a nudge to make you like me. to push you outof the light...sorry, i lost my place.

It's possible, but 'm not convinced that it would be impossible to make the discreet. In any case, the superior solution is to use a cowl that isn't rubber, anyway.

 

[Saint]

Edit.

 

[nickyg641]

You don't see where the lines are unnecessary? If they were really there for mobility, they would be placed in areas where the leg would bend. Such as at the knee, seperated where the leg meets the crotch area, etc.

There really needn't be any more breaks in the leg than that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Perhaps one could say the breaks are just to make the entire armor more flexible. Look at medieval armor for an example. Where ever you can put chain mail you do, just for flexibility.

 

[Kaizer]

You don't see where the lines are unnecessary? If they were really there for mobility, they would be placed in areas where the leg would bend. Such as at the knee, seperated where the leg meets the crotch area, etc.

There really needn't be any more breaks in the leg than that.

The legs don't bend in those places...but....well, say, if you bend your legs, kneel down, or whatever, your muscles will flex, and your legs will grow...kinda...and if you're wearing one big piece of armor around your legs, that would be very uncomfortable.... so in that instance, there will be need for the cracks in the armor. Now, I do think they could've come up with a prettier design for it, so I'm not defending that, but I can see the reason behind it.

 

[Leenie]

I need to see more of the suit in action to make a final decision, but the idea of Batman actually being able to move his head properly is something that I love. I mean, if Batman is supposed to be the best fighter in the world, wouldn't it make sense for him to be able to move better?

I honestly have no complaints about the suit. Sure, it looks a little busy, but I think it works. Batman really looks like The Dark Knight.

 

[Sandouras]

This is the suit the likes of Lujho and myself have been describing since...forever. It is also the suit appearing in many of the manips posted on this board.

Fair enough. Just with less pads than you people are using and no Robin neck.
For the love of god, no robin neck.

Who said anything about a belt of leather? If anything, the faithful alternative is more realistic, as it would be based on the belts worn by police officers, SWAT, military, etc.

So you prefer this ridiculous belt than that of BB/TDK? Are you serious?

BOB THE MOTHER****ING BUILDER IS NOT BATMAN!


tl;dr even if you hate Nolan, you gotta love his belt and cape. They are epic.
The belt is both functional and cool. It has a great colour but even if you dont like it, then just paint it black. Personally, i hate the all black suit. The belt should be gold, like TEH COMIKSORS. Also, for crying out loud, i'd rather have any belt, even the one from BTAS, B89, anything, no matter how unrealistic it might be over that plummer belt. Batman has to look cool first and realistic second. Jesus christ with that stupid belt people. But yeah, its in the comics, so bow to that.....

The cape: How some people like that heavy bermejo cape, or other leather ones is beyond me. Maybe the cloth that Nolan is using isnt your taste, but goddamnit, it looks light, it billows nicely and it has the memory cloth function. At first you ask for a realistic belt because no....Nolan's is stupid and then you go and dress batman with a heavy cape. Bravo!

 

[BatmanFanatic]

You spend to much time assuming you know how people that disagree with you think.

No, those were practically quotes from this thread. Only paraphrased a little for the sake of humor, but the gist is the same

 

[MJZ]

You guys are STILL arguing about the suit?

 

[Mandalore464]

In terms of the new suit having more pieces because it improves ventalation, I think that it is a moot point because I'm pretty sure they have always built in cooling systems for the Batsuit (such as a vest that is worn underneath the suit that has cold water pumped into it) or they have a fridge truck on set that the actor can sit in between takes (I think I remember Bale saying something to this end). Though while shooting there may be some discomfort caused by heat, ventalation is clearly not a priority in the design since they have other ways of dealing with it. If ventilation were, surely we would have ended up with a more comfortable and breathable cloth suit?

Actually think about it. You may have all these ways to deal with overheating. But if you build a suit that's already ventilated enough : No need for an additional layer of "water-cooling suit". No need to build it, no need to use it, no need to try and find a way to wear it without making the suit too thick or puffy. No need for a fridge-truck. No need to rent it, no need to find room for it on the various sets. No need to give more break-time for the actor to go cool down in it.

It all saves time, money, space, and avoids paying people to think about solutions to a problem that doesn't exist anymore. The fact that they had ways to deal with it does not imply they can't try and improve them.

 

[Kaizer]

You guys are STILL arguing about the suit?

The next movie should have a permawhite cloth-suit, that'll shut people up.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

lets call the third installment.... the dark nude.....
no....
people would still complain

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

And so it continues, and will never end!

 

[regwec]

Just because you use big and fancy words doesn't mean your any better or superior and yea I know you never claimed such a thing but that's the vibe you give off.

No, that's just the vibe you get, because polysyllabic words make you feel inferior. That isn't Saint's fault.

 

[Hole Shot]

And so it continues, and will never end!

Oh dude, this thread is one of the nuttiest carousels I've ever been on.

 

[Hole Shot]

No, that's just the vibe you get, because pseudo-intellectual tirades make for killing a conversation. That is Saint's fault.

Sorry. Had to.

 

[regwec]

Here's the thing; Saint is not posturing as an intellectual just by using varied syntax, and a dose of logic. If he spuriously name-dropped Wittgenstein in every other paragraph then yes, he would come across as a posturing charlatan. But he doesn't- he just gives reasoned discussion on the subject at hand.

 

[Hole Shot]

Here's the thing; Saint is not posturing as an intellectual just by using varied syntax, and a dose of logic. If he spuriously name-dropped Wittgenstein in every other paragraph then yes, he would come across as a posturing charlatan. But he doesn't- he just gives reasoned discussion on the subject at hand.

Here's the thing, you don't have to defend your comment, I was just breaking your balls. So much in fact I even used a wink smiley to make sure we were clear on that and I HATE USING SMILIES, but I did anyway because I wanted to avoid typing what I'm typing now. I'm going back to work.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Oh dude, this thread is one of the nuttiest carousels I've ever been on.

I agree man, I feel like this thing could go on forever, and that might be the truth.

 

[Ryudoz]

And so it continues, and will never end!

Carnac: Death, Taxes, and Complaints about Batman's current movie atire...
McMahon: Death, Taxes, and Complaints about Batman's current movie atire...
(Rip open evelope)
Carnac: Life's only absolutes.

*Rimshot*

 

[Sandouras]

Here's the thing; Saint is not posturing as an intellectual just by using varied syntax, and a dose of logic. If he spuriously name-dropped Wittgenstein in every other paragraph then yes, he would come across as a posturing charlatan. But he doesn't- he just gives reasoned discussion on the subject at hand.

why dont you two get a room?