The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[SuperKoala]

wrong

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I know this was posted in the Bruce Wayne/Bale thread but I just wanted to re-post to show all the haters saying how scrawny Bale is that, he's not scrawny at all whatsoever. He looks to be in perfect shape to me!

Well that's your definition of perfect then. I mean, I'm glad he went to the gym some, but that's not how I picture Batman, the ultimate bad-@$$ who can take on 6 guys without breaking a sweat. Bale looks like a basketball player at your local YMCA there, same skinny neck, no muscle tone on the back, not at all like a man who has spent his life training to fight.

But hey, it's just an actor in a movie. I can't get everything I want, and there is pretty much no way a naturally thin guy like Bale is going to look like he's off the comic book pages for a film with real people in it unless they CGI half his body.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

he actually got boobst:

'Cause he probably went to the gym and did nothing but bench presses and bicep curls and crunches and nothing else for his legs, back, neck, etc.

 

[Leon the Professional]

Bale looks like a basketball player at your local YMCA there, same skinny neck, no muscle tone on the back, not at all like a man who has spent his life training to fight.

And as great as he'd look with a thick neck, it'd give him no advantage for his physical purposes as Batman, and would be a disadvantage for his slacker playboy facade: "Gee, that Bruce Wayne must work out a lot..."

 

[Crook]

A good build is a disadvantage to the playboy facade? Are we under the impression all billionaires, especially young ones, are meant to either be frail or obese?

 

[Leon the Professional]

A good build is a disadvantage to the playboy facade? Are we under the impression all billionaires, especially young ones, are meant to either be frail or obese?

Now I know common sense isn't one of your strong points (as evidenced by the "I'm Batman" delivery discussion) but try to follow with me...

Which of the following is more likely to raise suspicion that Bruce is physically capable of being Batman?:

A) Bruce with a thin neck (which fools people into believing he doesn't work out, as evidenced by all the people on this forum who were convinced that Bale didn't work out for the role this time until the new shirtless screen shots came out).

B) Bruce with a thick muscular neck (which gives off the impression of a physically fit man).

 

[nathan andrew]

uh, I don't think the thin/full neck is intentional in any means for disguise. It's most likely the result of Bale's build. I didn't notice him having a particular beefy neck in BB, but the contours of the BB suit made his neck look bigger itself while he was Batman. It's probably just the way he is. And of course he is a professional actor working on a big budget film. He was working out with body trainers before shooting began. Doubt they would just let him ignore his legs or his back or neck. Everybody looks different when they build up - unless they're on the 'roids of course

 

[SheldonLevene]

'Cause he probably went to the gym and did nothing but bench presses and bicep curls and crunches and nothing else for his legs, back, neck, etc.

Explain a neck work out for me please.

 

[Crook]

Now I know common sense isn't one of your strong points (as evidenced by the "I'm Batman" delivery discussion) but try to follow with me...

Yes, the very same discussion in which no one agreed with your stance? How could I forget?

Which of the following is more likely to raise suspicion that Bruce is physically capable of being Batman?:

A) Bruce with a thin neck (which fools people into believing he doesn't work out, as evidenced by all the people on this forum who were convinced that Bale didn't work out for the role this time until the new shirtless screen shots came out).

B) Bruce with a thick muscular neck (which gives off the impression of a physically fit man).

Once again you are stretching things beyond belief. You're making up excuses for something that is not there. I'm quite positive in the weeks leading to filming, it wasn't Bale's intention to bulk up his abs, torso, and arms, but wanted a thin neck for the sake of the "disguise".

I have to bring up the other point of what exactly is so wrong with a young billionaire working out? He IS a ladies man to the public eye, no? What do a lot of girls like in men?

 

[BatSpider]

A good build is a disadvantage to the playboy facade? Are we under the impression all billionaires, especially young ones, are meant to either be frail or obese?

Most billionaires r one of those

 

[Leon the Professional]

Yes, the very same discussion in which no one agreed with your stance? How could I forget?


Once again you are stretching things beyond belief. You're making up excuses for something that is not there. I'm quite positive in the weeks leading to filming, it wasn't Bale's intention to bulk up his abs, torso, and arms, but wanted a thin neck for the sake of the "disguise".

I have to bring up the other point of what exactly is so wrong with a young billionaire working out? He IS a ladies man to the public eye, no? What do a lot of girls like in men?

I see, my multiple choice question was too complicated for you after all.

But your right, I'm sure Bale and Nolan didn't debate what would be an appropriate physique for Batman. Just like they didn't debate what would be an appropriate delivery of the "I'm Batman" line. I really do stretch things beyond belief, don't I? I mean, presuming that actors and directors, especially those as committed to their craft as Bale and Nolan, actually put some serious discussion and reflection into what they're doing, when in reality they're probably just showing up on set with a "**** it, let's just do this however" attitude. That's just ridiculous of me.

 

[Crook]

I see, my multiple choice question was too complicated for you after all.

I addressed it in my very last paragraph. I'm aware a biggER build will always trump the smaller in terms of disguising his identity. It's all a matter of degrees in which you are willing to compensate the size for conspicuousness.

But your right, I'm sure Bale and Nolan didn't debate what would be an appropriate physique for Batman.

Just like they didn't debate what would be an appropriate delivery of the "I'm Batman" line. I really do stretch things beyond belief, don't I?

I never said they didn't consider the right delivery for the Batman line. I said in context of the scene and the decision to make it seem like he was out-of-breath was stretching things. And as you saw, people agreed with at least that much.

I mean, presuming that actors and directors, especially those as committed to their craft as Bale and Nolan, actually put some serious discussion and reflection into what they're doing, when in reality they're probably just showing up on set with a "**** it, let's just do this however" attitude. That's just ridiculous of me.

Because, that's what I said, huh?

Still didn't address why they put emphasis on his body, but not his neck...

 

[Anita18]

I have to bring up the other point of what exactly is so wrong with a young billionaire working out? He IS a ladies man to the public eye, no? What do a lot of girls like in men?

Bale's American Psycho physique was probably the hottest we've seen him, and quite believable as a rich playboy character. He didn't have a huge neck then either. His Bruce Wayne physique is a little more rugged and less carefully cut in comparison.

I'm sure they didn't plan out Bale's workout with the exact intention of him looking the way he does now. Human bodies are weird that way. But his body works for the part, and we can explain away the differences.

Like, I can buy that Wayne being on the bigger side but not HUGE would not allow people to easily put two and two together. Huge, muscular guys (football players, body builders, weight-lifters) are more rare than smaller, athletically built guys (...every other athlete? ).

 

[Leon the Professional]

I never said they didn't consider the right delivery for the Batman line. I said in context of the scene and the decision to make it seem like he was out-of-breath was stretching things. And as you saw, people agreed with at least that much.

I don't know why I remember this, but several years ago there was an interview with Chris Klein for the American Pie movie, and he brought up how for one of the scenes where they're standing around after playing lacross he kept running around so that he'd be out of breath when he's speaking, because he should be.

Chris Klein. American Pie.

And you're telling me that it didn't occur to Christian Bale to make his Batman sound somewhat out of breath after doing all of what he did for the past 15 minutes?

See, to you it seems like a ridiculous thing to think of. But thinking about how to present himself as Batman was Bale's job for 5 months, and he meticulously absorbs himself into his roles like few other actors do.

Of course, maybe that's not why he delivered the line in that way. But it certainly wasn't a stretch for me to suggest it.

 

[Clark Kent]

I don't know why I remember this, but several years ago there was an interview with Chris Klein for the American Pie movie, and he brought up how for one of the scenes where they're standing around after playing lacross he kept running around so that he'd be out of breath when he's speaking, because he should be.

Chris Klein. American Pie.

And you're telling me that it didn't occur to Christian Bale to make his Batman sound somewhat out of breath after doing all of what he did for the past 15 minutes?

See, to you it seems like a ridiculous thing to think of. But thinking about how to present himself as Batman was Bale's job for 5 months, and he meticulously absorbs himself into his roles like few other actors do.

Of course, maybe that's not why he delivered the line in that way. But it certainly wasn't a stretch for me to suggest it.

What line are people talking about?

 

[Crook]

I'm sure they didn't plan out Bale's workout with the exact intention of him looking the way he does now. Human bodies are weird that way. But his body works for the part, and we can explain away the differences.

Like, I can buy that Wayne being on the bigger side but not HUGE would not allow people to easily put two and two together. Huge, muscular guys (football players, body builders, weight-lifters) are more rare than smaller, athletically built guys (...every other athlete? ).

I'm not denying that point. But as I said, how far are you willing to go, to disguise he's a vigilante? Furthermore, is it really needed?

I'm sorry, but when you're in a metropolitan city, there are more than a few candidates for who Batman would be, just from size alone. It's not like because you're big, you're a suspect. Any young, active, and especially outgoing guy is more than likely going to be fit in some manner. Bruce's size isn't so humongous that it would immediately stand out from a crowd.

I don't know why I remember this, but several years ago there was an interview with Chris Klein for the American Pie movie, and he brought up how for one of the scenes where they're standing around after playing lacross he kept running around so that he'd be out of breath when he's speaking, because he should be.

Chris Klein. American Pie.

And you're telling me that it didn't occur to Christian Bale to make his Batman sound somewhat out of breath after doing all of what he did for the past 15 minutes?

See, to you it seems like a ridiculous thing to think of. But thinking about how to present himself as Batman was Bale's job for 5 months, and he meticulously absorbs himself into his roles like few other actors do.

Of course, maybe that's not why he delivered the line in that way. But it certainly wasn't a stretch for me to suggest it.

You're not bringing up anything I didn't address a few days ago. The American Pie example is valid, but it is not comparable to the "I'm Batman" introduction. Why? Because Batman is not supposed to look tired in that scene. Chris Klein was, because he had just finished a work-out.

For all intents and purposes, it was Batman's time to show the world who's boss. He doesn't look tired, nor does he act tired, so sounding tired is a bit of a stretch there. If they wanted to convey that, they would've done so in a manner in which it would've made sense and was more readily apparent, i.e. the Himalayas sequence. Do you not find it odd that you have been the only person to bring this up? In the 3 years I've discussed BB, absolutely no one even considered that as a possible situation.

 

[Anita18]

I'm not denying that point. But as I said, how far are you willing to go, to disguise he's a vigilante? Furthermore, is it really needed?

I'm sorry, but when you're in a metropolitan city, there are more than a few candidates for who Batman would be, just from size alone. It's not like because you're big, you're a suspect. Any young, active, and especially outgoing guy is more than likely going to be fit in some manner. Bruce's size isn't so humongous that it would immediately stand out from a crowd.

Well I'm not saying that they had that in mind when they were filming it, but it's a valid explanation.

I'm not too picky on physiques, so it's really not worth it for me to exert the effort to blather further on it. As long as they get the character motivations right, I'm good.

And are you referring to the "I'm Batman" line? He didn't sound out of breath there to me. Just menacing and gruff.

 

[Crook]

Well I'm not saying that they had that in mind when they were filming it, but it's a valid explanation.

I'm not too picky on physiques, so it's really not worth it for me to exert the effort to blather further on it. As long as they get the character motivations right, I'm good.

I'm a little biased here, because the "explanation" is like one blood relative away from going the "realism" route. I.E. "I'm so glad his neck is thinner, if it was thicker it'd ruin the illusion that Bruce could hide his identity. Doesn't matter that his entire body and arms are pretty big themselves, though!" etc. etc.

Doesn't fly with me too well.

And are you referring to the "I'm Batman" line? He didn't sound out of breath there to me. Just menacing and gruff.

That's what I've been trying to say....

 

[lujho]

I'm a little biased here, because the "explanation" is like one blood relative away from going the "realism" route. I.E. "I'm so glad his neck is thinner, if it was thicker it'd ruin the illusion that Bruce could hide his identity. Doesn't matter that his entire body and arms are pretty big themselves, though!" etc. etc.

Doesn't fly with me too well.

Yes, it's like with any possible aspect of the production, people have to justify why that was the absolute best choice to make - even if they said the same thing about the last film for an aspect that was done differently.

It's like every choice Nolan made - or just happenstance situation - is absolutely right, and couldn't possibly be just a tiny bit of a flaw. Being GLAD Bale has a thin neck? As if being thicker would be some kind of active problem that would hurt the film. That's crazy.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Ya'll his neck is clearly thinner so it will fit in the slim neck of the suit. Duh.

 

[lujho]

Ya'll his neck is clearly thinner so it will fit in the slim neck of the suit. Duh.

That's absolutely ridiculous. You think they made the neck thinner then asked bale to slim his neck down? What's next, Bale altered his height to fit the suit they made?

Bale is simply a guy with a thin neck, period. No matter how big he gets his neck will never be thick.

If he DID have a thicker neck, they would just have made the suit's neck wider to fit - and not suffered any loss of mobility for it. They tailor to suit to HIM, he doesn't alter himself for some pre-designed suit.

 

[SheldonLevene]

That's absolutely ridiculous. You think they made the neck thinner then asked bale to slim his neck down? What's next, Bale altered his height to fit the suit they made?

Bale is simply a guy with a thin neck, period. No matter how big he gets his neck will never be thick.

If he DID have a thicker neck, they would just have made the suit's neck wider to fit - and not suffered any loss of mobility for it. They tailor to suit to HIM, he doesn't alter himself for some pre-designed suit.

Lol totally joking man calm calm.

 

[Hole Shot]

OK this whole thread doesn't make any sense anymore.

 

[SheldonLevene]

OK this whole thread doesn't make any sense anymore.

Well it certainly is not much about the suit.

 

[lujho]

Lol totally joking man calm calm.

D'oh, sorry - sarcasm detector malfunctioned.