The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[TheBat812]

I don't consider not being able to see Batman's fights "nitpicking to death."

Bad editing on the great choreography Christian Bale spent months learning which robbed the audience of our ability to enjoy his skill will always be a disappointment. Doesn't mean I'm not going to go watch TDK because some aspects of BB were disappointing.

You're not being deprived of it since the emotion you would feel during a regularly filmed action movie would not match the one desired by its makers. I prefer the fights in BB to that of most others. It's more in your face than the others, which are kind of just happening.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't mean to start any problems but I've finally got to say something to you and all your complaining BF...

Wow, you know I've been on this site for a couple months, mostly reading and hardly posting and Jesus Christ, you truly ARE a Batman Fanatic. I mean is there anything you have to say that isn't negative?

You oughta change your name to Batmanfan-nitpick. My God.

Okay, my apologies... I had to get that out.

it's because he's a nerd

 

[Nepenthes]

I don't think the rubber suit should have any influence on the fight scenes. There ahve been lower budgeted movies that have employed using rubber suits and the fight scenes are amazing and don't hinder the athletic ability of the actor/stuntman at all. They definately are able to look more agile than any batman on film.

For example, look at guyver 2. Not the best movie in the world but see how these two martial artists are able to perform their moves in a full rubber suit with a helmet. The Guyver suit is just as complex as the TDK suit and has the armored look and he has the added issue of having a fully enclosed helmet whcih means he has to look thru some lenses. But yet he can perform these super agile moves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFY2s3sulAo

Second example
The live action teenage mutant ninja turtles movies. The guys in these suits are are sport karate champions. In this clip you'll even see ernie reyes jr who's 5'5 mind you and was donatello in the first movie and possible the second. These suits were like 60lbs. Again like the guyver movie they have more limitations than the TDK and begins costumes.. hard rigid shell, enclosed turtle head, hard front chest plate but yet they're still able to pull off their agile martial arts abilities and they can display them on camera with ease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVfgS_iexf0

So the point im making is that the suit should have no affect on fight choreography because if these fights can look good and the actors can look agile and natural then so can a batman fight scene. It's just that nolan doesnt know how to film fight scenes. These two clips show that the suit should be no excuse for poorly filmed/framed fight scenes.

You're right some movies can pull it off but that doesn't mean that the BB suit automatically can too. For one Bale still had his neck severely restricted eg. driving Rachel to the cave he couldn't turn his head to look at her without moving his shoulders. He looks heavy and wobbly when he runs (Arkham hallway) and goofy when he lifts his arm to throw a pellet at the prison wall. If he cant do those things and look decent then he's not be able to fight. Otherwise he moves fine - because you can barely track him that is. It's a good effect for Batman in that he's supposed to be swift, stealthily and brutal, but I feel after BB audiences will feel unjustifiably frustrated to see this happening again. It was already frustrating enough once over. He's Batman, he's supposed to be a combat machine so lets see that. Let's see what enables him to do what he does. He's not so much a monster in the shadows anymore he's established and should be showcased so that we feel he really has arrived.

To me the fact that the suit is inflexible obviously works against graceful and natural looking fight scenes. This by definition is influencing the director options thus influencing the fight scenes which we ended up with. Bale has already said the suit in TDK is easier to move and so hopefully BatmanFanatic is wrong and the fights in TDK will be more fluid and intact.

edit - it looks like theres a few differences between the BB suit and your examples. The neck is probably the main one, BB's is far thicker and probably heavier. The Guyver and Turtle suits also appear segmented around the torso joints where the BB suit is one think piece all the way across the shoulders and arms. Lastly the fighting styles are hugely different, they're definitely more of a film dance style of fighting. I'm not just talking about the wire moves or obvious silly stuff but right down to the way they pose their stances and throw swings it isn't at all like a real fight, not even close. The same kind of style would not have gone down very well in BB, which we all know is based on teh gritty realismz.

 

[metalhead_dave]

it's because she's a nerd

Fixed it for you. I remember reading something about that when BF was talking about how Christian Bale is an elitist ******* or something or other.

 

[lujho]

Never in the history of skyscrapers.

Except, you know, at night, when the lights are on and it's perfectly possible to see everything. But apart from that, never.

 

[HankTheTurtle]

Except, you know, at night, when the lights are on and it's perfectly possible to see everything. But apart from that, never.

Aaaaaaand when is Batman usualy out ridding the city of crime?

 

[Conebone69]

I thought I had heard that nolan had worked improving on the action scenes in TDK and made them clearer. And judging by the looks of the fight between batman and the two swat members, it doesn't seem like it will be quite as frantically paced as begins.

According to Saint Sinner X, a poster who read the script said that the fight scenes in TDK are exactly the same as BB's. He also said that was his one major complaint. I personally love the fight scenes in BB, and im glad to here there back again!

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

According to Saint Sinner X, a poster who read the script said that the fight scenes in TDK are exactly the same as BB's.

And he could see how the scenes are edited by reading the script? Does he have magical powers?

 

[undyingsoul]

And he could see how the scenes are edited by reading the script? Does he have magical powers?

QFT.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Wow, I leave for a day and what happens

I don't mean to start any problems but I've finally got to say something to you and all your complaining BF...

Wow, you know I've been on this site for a couple months, mostly reading and hardly posting and Jesus Christ, you truly ARE a Batman Fanatic. I mean is there anything you have to say that isn't negative?

You oughta change your name to Batmanfan-nitpick. My God.

Okay, my apologies... I had to get that out.

No problem, feel free. I would change the name but it's too late now I was hoping "fanatic" would be sufficient. Perhaps I have some as-yet-to-be-discovered form of Batman induced OCD.

Now if someone wants to start a thread titled "Things That ROCKED In BB!" I could wax on poetically about my favorite scenes, and name 20 things I love to death in the film. But as it stands, we basically have a "B*tch about the new Batsuit here" thread a "B*tch about Jokers make-up HERE" thread, so on and so forth.

Fanboys FTL!!!

What the heck is FTL?

I actually think the action scenes in Begins look better on the DVD, more cleaned up and easier to see. So now with a fresh start instead of just in editing, Nolan could have improved the TDK fight scenes even more. I know that Bat pimp slap on the Swat guy was pretty easy to see for the half second it was shown.

That's true, the Swat guy disarm was encouraging. *Crosses fingers*

If the light hits it correctly, it's quite possible. I remember, the last place I lived, I could see the neighbours undress on the other side...whch was kinda disturbing in a lot of ways.

I was just about to say, you can see through sky-scraper windows. It's difficult when the sun is shining on the building with the glare, but at night when the office lights are on, you can see everything. Has no one noticed this?

Now I suppose Batman could have gotten special one-way glass for his penthouse. But in your average skyscraper you can see inside fairly well.

You're not being deprived of it since the emotion you would feel during a regularly filmed action movie would not match the one desired by its makers. I prefer the fights in BB to that of most others. It's more in your face than the others, which are kind of just happening.

Well I disagree, because the moment I saw the behind the scenes featurette on CB learning the fight choreography for months and the fighting style they used and all of that, and CB's trainers raving about how amazing he was with choreography and how well he picked it up etc etc I got PISSED because I wouldn't have known the difference if he could barely move or if his stunt guy had done all the work.

What the hell was the point of Christian learning it all, if you are never actually able to tell he's the one doing it? Isn't that the entire point of training the actor, so you can get a clear look at the fact it's actually the ACTOR doing the action, and not a stunt guy!?? Very disappointing.

Except, you know, at night, when the lights are on and it's perfectly possible to see everything. But apart from that, never.

 

[Jonathan Crane]

About teh skinny neck:

 

[magus]

About teh skinny neck:

Big LOL.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

That is AWESOME t:

 

[gwynplaine]

The suit looks pretty good in that interrogation scene. It doesn't feel as "busy" as on some other pictures imo.

 

[CFE]

The suit looks pretty good in that interrogation scene. It doesn't feel as "busy" as on some other pictures imo.

Agreed.

Every new look at the suit makes it look better than before.

CFE

 

[TheBatman072]

Agreed.

Every new look at the suit makes it look better than before.

CFE

Which might tell us something.


Maybe it's US and NOT the suit.

 

[Psoliagos]

Which might tell us something.


Maybe it's US and NOT the suit.

what then?

I have to say, the suit looks cool. When you look at this picture where you can see it as a whole:

the legs arent so bad. They match the segmented motif that is applied on it.

Its a cool suit, but is it organic enough for batman? Green Arrow, Punisher, whoever, they could wear this suit. But a guy who dresses up like a bat (clearly has issues...) should look more organic and less like the register guy....whatshisname?....a! Ironman.

We ll see when the movie comes out.

 

[CFE]

Which might tell us something.


Maybe it's US and NOT the suit.

I know it's the stupidest thing...and I KNEW this would happen.

Back when the "Begins" suit was revealed, people hated it...then they loved it.

When the "TDK" suit was revealed people hated it...now they're starting to love it.

But the ironic and pathetic thing about it?

When the suit for "BB3" is revealed, people are gonna hate it...and then love it!

Shocking, I know. lol

CFE

 

[SheldonLevene]

I know it's the stupidest thing...and I KNEW this would happen.

Back when the "Begins" suit was revealed, people hated it...then they loved it.

When the "TDK" suit was revealed people hated it...now they're starting to love it.

But the ironic and pathetic thing about it?

When the suit for "BB3" is revealed, people are gonna hate it...and then love it!

Shocking, I know. lol

CFE

This is the way with most things.

 

[TNC9852002]

About teh skinny neck:

muahahahahaha!

I have nothing against the Batsuit, but I admit, this was pretty nicely done.

-TNC

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I know it's the stupidest thing...and I KNEW this would happen.

Back when the "Begins" suit was revealed, people hated it...then they loved it.

When the "TDK" suit was revealed people hated it...now they're starting to love it.

But the ironic and pathetic thing about it?

When the suit for "BB3" is revealed, people are gonna hate it...and then love it!

Shocking, I know. lol

CFE

Don't know who these "people" are, but I always liked the BB suit, saw it in action and still liked it, always hated the TDK suit, seeing it in action and pics now, and hey, what do you know, still hating it with a passion.

Batman does not need to look like a robot in disguise.

Which might tell us something.


Maybe it's US and NOT the suit.

No - it's the suit.

 

[deathfromabove]

Don't know who these "people" are, but I always liked the BB suit, saw it in action and still liked it, always hated the TDK suit, seeing it in action and pics now, and hey, what do you know, still hating it with a passion.

Batman does not need to look like a robot in disguise.



No - it's the suit.

those "people" were the majority of those on these boards circa 2004 when the first glimpses of the suit were revealed. lots of "teh puffy" comments and complaints that the suit looked like a robot. and then everyone saw begins and the complaints were far less numerous.

the point the op was making is that this will probably be the case with TDK as well. after the movie comes out most of the irrelevant nit picking and general whining will cease. just like after begins.

and i can't wait for the silence.

 

[zmystico]

I know it's the stupidest thing...and I KNEW this would happen.

Back when the "Begins" suit was revealed, people hated it...then they loved it.

When the "TDK" suit was revealed people hated it...now they're starting to love it.

But the ironic and pathetic thing about it?

When the suit for "BB3" is revealed, people are gonna hate it...and then love it!

Shocking, I know. lol

CFE

Have you seen the BB3 suit...it looks like a total piece of poop, no way would Batman ever walk around in something that looks like that. They got the emblem wrong, the cape, the belt, the boots...and I'm not even gonna start on how bad the flucked up the cowl...totally ticks me something awful!!!

 

[TheBatman072]

Hell, if they keep going down the progression Nolan's suits have been taking, we'll get a mostly fabric suit.


It's the first major motion picture Batman suit to actually HAVE fabric in it. Begins didn't have it, now this one is more or less HALF fabric. Think about it.

 

[Nightmare]

Better than all leather like the 89 version.