The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[HUMANIMAL]

if it would make sense, maybe one thinks hes only a fake batman and he makes it clear by saying it/and showing it, by ...yeah how he is able to prove that???/ or something ...but i think everybody knows who it is, so its needless to say...

 

[Dr. Crane]

you can't really blame an actor for the way he delivers his dialogue... it's usually the director who has him say it ten times, then picks the one he likes 7 months later in an editing bay... and nolan seems like the type of director that knows what he wants to hear... look at the dark knight trailers for instance... lots of the repeated dialogue are from different takes... and everyone likes to point out which they like better... and we don't even know the context of the scenes yet... nolan puts it all together like his little puzzle. to bad he never adds a lot of the deleted scenes to his movies... would be kinda fun to see them.

 

[Saint]

you can't really blame an actor for the way he delivers his dialogue...

This is obviously not true.

 

[SalaciousVC]

I don't know, but this pic makes the suit look badass.

I have a strong feeling the mask on the Empire cover was probably quickly put on. They probably didn't realize how bad the nose looked at the time, because they were probably in a rush. Plus, we shouldn't his look from some promo pictures. I'm reserving my judgement til July 18.

I really like the Cowl in that pic.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

yeah when the line in each take is bad ...how can the director choose the "best"???

 

[Dr. Crane]

for the saint, i will re-phrase my statement... what i was trying to say in defense of bale and the way "i'm batman" is spoken in the film was... perhaps he also prefered it said a little differently... say perhaps he actually read it that way way in a take... it's nolan's call... not the actors choice to which one ends up in the final film. saint's always right.... blame the actors...

 

[hame4479]

Guys just have a little faith in Chris he knows how to light and shoot the suit so itll look amazing, have some faith.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I don't know, but this pic makes the suit look badass.

I have a strong feeling the mask on the Empire cover was probably quickly put on. They probably didn't realize how bad the nose looked at the time, because they were probably in a rush. Plus, we shouldn't his look from some promo pictures. I'm reserving my judgement til July 18.

From this pic the suit seriously looks almost as good as the Batman Returns suit to me. This is the best pic of the suit I've seen so far and besides the very first reveal on the cop car (amazing!) the only one that hasn't made me sick to my stomach. I just hope they don't show the leg area too much in the movies.

 

[Dr. Crane]

loved the batman returns cowl.. can't say the same for the suit though. didn't really like the "creature from the black lagoon" belly..

 

[Saint]

for the saint, i will re-phrase my statement... what i was trying to say in defense of bale and the way "i'm batman" is spoken in the film was... perhaps he also prefered it said a little differently... say perhaps he actually read it that way way in a take... it's nolan's call... not the actors choice to which one ends up in the final film. saint's always right.... blame the actors...

I blame whoever is responsible, and actors are always responsible for the way they say their lines. That directors share responsibility doesn't change that.

And, for the record, I never said anything about disliking the way Bale said the line--he said the line just fine. I only said that your idea that we "can't really blame the actors" is not true, because it's not.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I blame whoever is responsible, and actors are always responsible for the way they say their lines. That directors share responsibility doesn't change that.

And, for the record, I never said anything about disliking the way Bale said the line--he said the line just fine. I only said that your idea that we "can't really blame the actors" is not true, because it's not.

That is ludicrous.

 

[Dr. Crane]

for the record as well..for the saint... i like reading your posts.. and i to liked bale's delivery.. and i do think the actors are responsible as well.. but i've seen actors have to do up to 50 takes before... all because the director is still waiting for that right take. after 20, i think it's almost impossible for the actor to tell the difference. . .

 

[Saint]

That is ludicrous.

Correct.

 

[Saint]

for the record as well..for the saint... i like reading your posts.. and i to liked bale's delivery.. and i do think the actors are responsible as well.. but i've seen actors have to do up to 50 takes before... all because the director is still waiting for that right take. after 20, i think it's almost impossible for the actor to tell the difference. . .

That's fair, but in the end, that's their job. It's their responsibility to be good at it.

 

[Saint]

Actually, when you're given lines such as: "Hi, Freeze. I'm Batman," I'm not really sure you can blame the actor for a deceptively poor delivery...

That's an issue of poor writing making a line undeliverable, not poor acting making a poor delivery, though, so obviously we have to re-assess where responsibility lies.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

Actually, when you're given lines such as: "Hi, Freeze. I'm Batman," I'm not really sure you can blame the actor for a deceptively poor delivery...

I have yet to see anyone blame George Clooney for that line

 

[The Shape]

Correct.

How so? If a director directs an actor to say a line seceral different, and he ultimately chooses one take to be in the final cut, how can you blame the actor? Obviously, the actor does play the role and speak the lines, but I'd put more blame on the director for directing that actor and choosing a questionable take.

In my opinion, part of a director's job is to get convincing performances from his actors. Yes, it's an actor's job to be good at what he does, but when the director ultimately makes the decisions about everything, how can the blame rest with the actor?

 

[Dr. Crane]

well said..

 

[super17]

this kinda proves that the cowl looks good from the right angle.

i'm sure, like BB, that some angles will make the cowl look very big. I still Don't understand why.

What difference do you see between those two pics, besides the slight difference in angles? I don't see how the one pic makes the cowl look that much better then in the other because of the small angle diffrence. Not trying to insult in anyway, but I don't see any real difference there.

 

[Dr. Crane]

the only thing i can tell, it's the rounded tip of the nose. from some angles you can't tell...from some shots it looks ok. i think the rounded tip doesn't look so hot from straight on... really close up. a lot of the other cowls had a sharper tip.. IMO.. looking better..

 

[Dark Knigh7]

What difference do you see between those two pics, besides the slight difference in angles? I don't see how the one pic makes the cowl look that much better then in the other because of the small angle diffrence. Not trying to insult in anyway, but I don't see any real difference there.

My only complaint with the cowl is the nose, and when we get a shot of Batman looking right at the camera, I don't mind it(except the last Empire cover).

If you don't have a problem with the cowl, or the nose itself, I doubt you'll notice anything at all.

 

[Saint]

How so? If a director directs an actor to say a line seceral different, and he ultimately chooses one take to be in the final cut, how can you blame the actor?

By virtue of the actor having said the bad version of the line. Even if the director says "I want you to say it this way," and the actor does so with a bad result, the actor is still responsible not being able to give the director what he wants without having it suck. Please note that I pointed out specifically that the director shares responsibility. I am not saying "ZOMG, IT ALL TEH ACTOR FAULT HE SUCK." I am saying the actor, except in extreme cases (as with Clooney), always shares the responsibility for the quality of his performance. Accordingly, saying "you can't really blame the actor" is simply not true.

Obviously, the actor does play the role and speak the lines, but I'd put more blame on the director for directing that actor and choosing a questionable take.

In my opinion, part of a director's job is to get convincing performances from his actors. Yes, it's an actor's job to be good at what he does, but when the director ultimately makes the decisions about everything, how can the blame rest with the actor?

So are there no bad performances, just bad directors? Part of the actor's job is to give a convincing performance--and that includes convincing the director. If that job is done, you've got less chance of a director saying "Nope, we're gonna do it my way instead," because the performance will have convinced him.

It's simply not as cut and dry as saying "Oh, the director made the final call." Equilibrium is watchable because Christian Bale's acting surpassed the quality of the directing (and the terrible scripting, derivative trashiness, and overall suckitude of every other thing in that entire movie, besides the action), so that not even crappy decisions on the part of the director could ruin his performance. On the other end of the spectrum, if you had given the Equilibrium script to Tom Welling, the performance would have sucked because Tom Welling sucks.

The director is always responsible, naturally, for choosing the actors and directing their performances. But, likewise, the actor is just as responsible for contributing a crappy performance, or being unable to reconcile the director's goals with a quality performance.

 

[Banquet]

"... I think Batman & Robin was very important for the political structure of the country at the time. " ~Clooney

And I believe you can also blame the actor when the actor believes in the director's terrible vision.

 

[Octoberist]

don't you think he was being sarcastic about it, Banquet?

 

[inflames]

what the heck kind of quote is that? haha.