The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Saint]

Neat! Elements of those would make for a cool batsuit.

 

[Superhobo]

Why should we have to physically produce better ourselves just to prove something can be done? It's been done better (in Daredevil), and anyone can tell just by looking that it could be done better.

But for something fan-made (and not by me) - not the perfect eye shape, but still, not so bug-eyed:

Imagine this full cowl with those same lenses, with a slightly tweaked, more angular shape:

Is it weird that I simultaneously geemgasmed and blacked out when I saw these pics, or -


But seriously, dammit Hemming.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Why should we have to physically produce better ourselves just to prove something can be done? It's been done better (in Daredevil), and anyone can tell just by looking that it could be done better.

But for something fan-made (and not by me) - not the perfect eye shape, but still, not so bug-eyed:

Imagine this full cowl with those same lenses, with a slightly tweaked, more angular shape:

I know that this is a direct adaptation of the current comics cowl, but it reminds me of NightOwl for some reason. I dont like it. I think its the eyes.

I also dont like the tiny ears but the dude has an almost square jaw so his cowl doesnt need all the extra protruding elements and bolbusness of the TDK cowl.

 

[millennium movies]

Yes! That's exactly what i was talking about. Did you get those of the DD DVD? I only have the director's cut version of the movie.

 

[The Guard]

And for the arguments about white and black color lenses - how would that help in not blocking peripheral vision?

Because the black portion would also be a part of the lens, or some kind of high-tech mechanism that surrounded the night vision portion of the lens, and narrowed his field of night vision (which would make sense). He's going to have peripheral vision issues when the lenses are up as well, I don't see too many people whining about that.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Are we really concerned about his peripheral vision? I don't know how long he'll be wearing these lenses, but it certainly seems like it won't be for very long at all. As far as I'm concerned, Bale can have limited vision for a scene or two if it means better looking lenses.

No, actually it wouldn't. Limited peripheral vision in what ever scene would limit Bales visual range , interacting with other actors. Remember, he probably doesn't have great hearing in the cowl, so he would have to rely on his sight. It also looks like a night scene, which means that it would be harder for him to see as well if the scene wasn't well lit. white lenses aren't white. they are actually made up of crosshatched patterns. You want the actor to be as comfortable as possible.

 

[Saint]

No, actually it wouldn't.

Eh? What wouldn't what?

Limited peripheral vision in what ever scene would limit Bales visual range , interacting with other actors.

The chances of the lenses being worn in any situation where they would inhibit him (narrow peripheral vision or not) are nill.

The circumstance under which it would be relevant are as such:
1) Someone is standing in Batman's peripheral vision.
2) That person's performance includes particulars that are relevant to Bale, such as emotions that Bale is expected to play off.
3) Bale cannot look right at the person, for some reason.

I imagine the only sort of scene which meets these criteria is a scene in which Bale wouldn't be wearing the lenses, anyway. These obviously have a very particular purpose and will be worn only to that end, and it seems to me that in such a scene, the criteria above probably won't apply.

And, to be perfectly frank, actors work with these sort of inhibitions all the time.

 

[batman44]

How come all this isn't on the DD: DC version of the DVD.

 

[The Guard]

And, to be perfectly frank, actors work with these sort of inhibitions all the time.

Exactly.

 

[Mr. Socko]

You want the actor to be as comfortable as possible.

Then why don't the costume designers just slip Bale into a pair of grey pajamas and a robinesque eye mask:heart:

 

[nickyg641]

While it's interesting and amusing that the lenses will finally make an appearance in the film, I'm so glad we don't have to watch that for the entire movie. I just think white/mirrored lenses don't work on a live-action cowl. In the comics, they're fine, because they can be drawn however the artists wants them to look. In real life, they look awkward and weird, like an alien.

Plus, in the comics, they have the ability to allow the cowl to move. The eyebrows can raise show surprise, or creases and furrows can appear to display anger. In movies, they don't have that luxury. There's only so much an actor can emote with his mouth.

 

[Saint]

They'd look fine if designed as Daredevil's, which didn't look weird or alien at all. Of course, I have no interest in lenses for an entire film. They have to be retractable, sliding into place when they have a purpose to serve (and their functions would be numerous).

 

[nickyg641]

Double post, sorry.

 

[magus]

While it's interesting and amusing that the lenses will finally make an appearance in the film, I'm so glad we don't have to watch that for the entire movie. I just think white/mirrored lenses don't work on a live-action cowl. In the comics, they're fine, because they can be drawn however the artists wants them to look. In real life, they look awkward and weird, like an alien.

Plus, in the comics, they have the ability to allow the cowl to move. The eyebrows can raise show surprise, or creases and furrows can appear to display anger. In movies, they don't have that luxury. There's only so much an actor can emote with his mouth.

I absolutely agree. I read one of the working drafts for Batman '89 and in the lenses were in the script; the first scene where Batman is holding the crook over the ledge of the rooftop the crook is supposed to see his reflection in the white lenses. I imagined that looking very awkward.

 

[joke]

This looks absolutely amazing. The jaw, shape of the eyes and nose is spot on! If only the ears were a bit larger.

 

[magus]

This looks absolutely amazing. The jaw, shape of the eyes and nose is spot on! If only the ears were a bit larger.

That guy has a hell of a chin.

 

[Mr. Earle]

They'd look fine if designed as Daredevil's, which didn't look weird or alien at all. Of course, I have no interest in lenses for an entire film. They have to be retractable, sliding into place when they have a purpose to serve (and their functions would be numerous).

Daredevil is blind so he has to wear lenses or his eyes will betray him.
Secondly, his lenses were red, the same as his cowl which made it that much better. A white stare to the horizon is bland IMHO.

I'd rather have batman use those lenses for 10 seconds in this film. When he is scanning a room for prints or something like that. But the part of them that glows has to be smaller. Batman isnt Sailormoon (huge eyes). Damn, even Schumacher got that right.

 

[lujho]

Yes! That's exactly what i was talking about. Did you get those of the DD DVD? I only have the director's cut version of the movie.

Yeah, it's from the original version of the DVD.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Eh? What wouldn't what?


The chances of the lenses being worn in any situation where they would inhibit him (narrow peripheral vision or not) are nill.

The circumstance under which it would be relevant are as such:
1) Someone is standing in Batman's peripheral vision.
2) That person's performance includes particulars that are relevant to Bale, such as emotions that Bale is expected to play off.
3) Bale cannot look right at the person, for some reason.

I imagine the only sort of scene which meets these criteria is a scene in which Bale wouldn't be wearing the lenses, anyway. These obviously have a very particular purpose and will be worn only to that end, and it seems to me that in such a scene, the criteria above probably won't apply.

And, to be perfectly frank, actors work with these sort of inhibitions all the time.

Your ideas are highly doubtful since the whole design of the suit was intended to increase Bales over all comfort and ability to see and move within the parameters of what was set up design wise for these films. Look at the eye socket design of the mask, it's meant to be unencumbered. Therefore, why alter a working design to satisfy the needs of a very minor part of the films fanbase. Since most of the people who will watch this movie A)Only know batman from the previous movies. B) Don't read the comics so don't know the "Traditional" Batman look. C) Could care less if he has white lenses at some point.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Then why don't the costume designers just slip Bale into a pair of grey pajamas and a robinesque eye mask:heart:

asked and answered.

 

[Saint]

Your ideas are highly doubtful since the whole design of the suit was intended to increase Bales over all comfort and ability to see and move within the parameters of what was set up design wise for these films. Look at the eye socket design of the mask, it's meant to be unencumbered. Therefore, why alter a working design to satisfy the needs of a very minor part of the films fanbase.

So it looks good. You don't need to be a fanboy to say "That looks kinda weird."

And, of course, there's absolutely no need to alter the eye socket on the normal mask (which is to say the mask as it is when he isn't using the lenses). When the lenses slide into place, so to could an additional piece of the socket, thus narrowing it and making the lenses smaller.

Or, just ignore the technical aspect all together, and just make the mask used for the lens scenes have smaller sockets in the same way the cape is longer or shorter depending on the scene. As I mentioned before, I don't imagine any reduced peripheral vision will be an issue in whatever few scenes call for the lenses.

I also do not concede that appropriate adjustments to the eye socket will cause Bale any significant problems, and, like I said, actors work through that sort of thing all the time. That's what they do. As it stands, though, I don't think the eye socket shape is even the issue. Look at the screen shot. The lenses are larger than the eye-opening, or so it appears. Making them look better is as simple as making them the same size as the current eye opening. Right now, it looks like they may actually slide out of the brow, overlapping the eye-holes, instead of sliding out of the eye-holes themselves. That seems sort of odd, though, so I imagine it may be an illusion created by the low quality image and the apparent glow of the lenses. I certainly hope that's the case, because that shot looks pretty silly, and it would be nice if it's silliness turned out to be illusory.

An a quas-related note, I think it would be interesting to see the cowl treated like the numerous creature costumes that have been able to make the transition between prosthetic or mask and eyes appear absolutely seamless. More work to put on and, I imagine, not as comfortable for the actor, but those are the breaks. Not necessarily appropriate for this particular iteration of the franchise, where it serves for the cowl to look more like a helmet. Lenses would be a separate issue, I suppose. Would probably need to be contacts. Potentially bad looking. Hurm, guess I'm going off track.

Since most of the people who will watch this movie A)Only know batman from the previous movies. B) Don't read the comics so don't know the "Traditional" Batman look. C) Could care less if he has white lenses at some point.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm not making any argument on whether or not there should or should not be lenses. I don't have strong feelings either way. But, since he has them, I would prefer they not look weird.

And, honestly, the "Why should they do it for a few fanboys?" line is a non-issue. They should do whatever they feel is best, and I'll criticize it if I think it was a mistake or if it doesn't meet my standards. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[The Caped Knight]

the lens everyone!!!!
in the new tv spot #15
0:22

The lenses look the same as BTAS, I don't see why some people are saying their too big. I think their prefect .

 

[Conebone69]

The lenses look the same as BTAS, I don't see why some people are saying their too big. I think their prefect .

They just look too wide. I think its just the angle were seeing him at

 

[Nightwing1977]

Hey, Bale's no Tina Turner, but give 'em a break will ya?

LMAO!! Clever joke there, bunk. That made me chuckle. Thankfully I wasn't drinking anything at that time, otherwise I might spit it on my computer monitor.

the lens everyone!!!!
in the new tv spot #15
0:22

That not bad. But I'm glad it won't be used much. With Bale's eyes shown through the cowl, it give out the expression better. After all, our eyes are usually where our expression come from.

Personally, I wish they just used white contact lenses.

The problem with white contact lenses is that it will be so hard for Bale to see, thus making him move awkard in the film. That's why Halle Berry's eyes as Storm turning white were CGI instead of real lenses. I heard she try it on, but has trouble with moving from how hard it is to see. Wearing those would feel like you're blind. That also why both Rebecca Romjin & Alan Cummings didn't wear full yellow lenses as Nightcrawler/Mystique.

 

[Eggyman]

They should make the lenses bigger. It'd keep my attention away from the legs.