Endgame Captain America/Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

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So something just hit me. We had all this build up about Caps love and tight knit bond with his childhood friend Bucky through most of his movies and how that relationship was mostly the cause of the rift between Steve and Tony.

So I did find it kind of odd that
there wasn't a final reunion or touching moment between Cap and Bucky since this was essentially the last we will see him on screen
But then again this makes me wonder...
Does Steve stick around now in that timeline he just returned to? If he does then he does indeed get to spend some more time with his old friend
 
I was hazy on this but it seems that the writers have come into clear this up. Old Steve is not from the prime timeline. Or at least he was originally. But when he went back he to live with Peggy he created another branch. THAT is the one he lived in and grew old in. He came back into the prime timeline to let his friends know he was okay and what he had done and to give the shield to Sam. So he wasn't living in the past of the prime time line and walked/drove/took a plane to be where Bucky and Sam were. He jumped back via the Quantum Realm from his branch time line as he was originally supposed to do.
 


Look at Thor's face, it's as clear as daylight that it moved slightly (it even made a noise) . Steve wasn't trying and it still worked.
 
I thought he was trying. Just that maybe the enchantment decided (somehow, lol) that a party wasn't the time to infuse Cap with Thor's power
 
I have to admit, as a fan of Steve and Bucky's relationship in the comics I was a little disappointed with how they were handled in the movies. I feel like they solidified Falcon and Captain America's relationship more than Bucky and Cap, even tho they've been friends forever. Also I was disappointed that Old Steve gave the shield to Sam, with no hesitation, when his best friend Bucky was looking on. Especially since Bucky is back to normal, looking to make amends for his past as the Winter Soldier. I think it would have been an amazing redemption story
 
I have that same interpretation.
 
Yeah I agree
They're bros, Cap saw the look on his face and decided to fake it, hence Chubbs saying "I knew it!"
 
They literally gave him Thor's powerset.

Well yeah.

"Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor!"

So yes, he got Thor's powerset. As he should. That's how the enchantment works.
 
Well yeah.

"Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor!"

So yes, he got Thor's powerset. As he should. That's how the enchantment works.
Not necessarily. Vision didn't get Thor's powerset in Age of Ultron.
 
Not necessarily. Vision didn't get Thor's powerset in Age of Ultron.

Tag spoilers.

Vision may have, and just may not have used them. Or maybe the conversation about an elevator not being worthy was on point. I am inclined to say he could have used them and didn't. But the enchantment clearly states that you possess the power of Thor, that includes the lightning.
 
Tag spoilers.

Vision may have, and just may not have used them. Or maybe the conversation about an elevator not being worthy was on point. I am inclined to say he could have used them and didn't. But the enchantment clearly states that you possess the power of Thor, that includes the lightning.
Sorry, it was Age of Ultron spoilers so I assumed it was OK. As for Odin, he says in Ragnarok though that the hammer was never the source of the power - it was always inside Thor.
 
Sorry, it was Age of Ultron spoilers so I assumed it was OK. As for Odin, he says in Ragnarok though that the hammer was never the source of the power - it was always inside Thor.

Right, the power is inside Thor. And whoever holds the hammer shall possess the power of Thor. In the first Thor, his power was tied to the hammer when he was stripped of his power and the enchantment was made. So essentially, whoever is wielding it is copying his power is the easiest way to look at it. But on a practical appeal level, if they don't get the lightning, whoever holds the hammer is holding a normal everyday war hammer. Why is that cool? Ragnarok created what can be seen as slight inconsistency, but it is not hard to reason around it. For Thor, it's not his power source. Everyone else using it, it is.
 
One thing I didnt care for was Captain America dropping some swears. Especially considering his response to it in the other movies. Everytime someone did it he called them out on their language. It didnt feel right for me when he said them
 
True, but when he commented on
"America's Ass"
that wasnt very Captain America like
 
One thing I didnt care for was Captain America dropping some swears. Especially considering his response to it in the other movies. Everytime someone did it he called them out on their language. It didnt feel right for me when he said them
I admit I could be mis-remembering, but wasn't it just 1 time that he called someone out on it (in Age of Ultron during the opening fight/during the heat of battle) - every other time "Cap's issue with language" was brought up it was actually brought up by other people/characters making fun of that 1 time in the opening battle. Also, that was Age of Ultron (which given what they've been through since then... and the years that have passed) at this point I don't think he cares any more (if he even really did in the first place)
 
Avengers: Endgame directors answer Captain America mystery

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Captain America’s closing scene in Avengers: Endgame has led to a lot of questions from moviegoers who aren’t exactly sure what it means.

The truth is, there are deliberate mysteries built into that sequence, which directors Joe and Anthony Russo suggested are setting up future stories.

Here’s what they can answer now …

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Does Cap go back to live in the past — or does he go and live in another dimension?

The directors say it’s the latter.

“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”

The brothers smile.

“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”

Also, they confirm — Bucky knew. When Cap was preparing to for the trip, which is only supposed to last a few seconds in the main timeline, his old friend from the Brooklyn days gives him a surprisingly heavy farewell.

Somehow, and it’s probably more than just intuition, he was aware that Cap was going to live in the past. “Especially when he says goodbye,” Joe explained. “He says, ‘I’ll miss you.’ Clearly he knows something.”

But how? Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems like that may be the case.

On the other hand, Joe adds, “Sam doesn’t know something.” Falcon has no idea about Old Cap, which is why The Winter Soldier urges him to go up and talk to the now-elderly Steve Rogers. Bucky already has the answer to the questions Sam is going to ask.

Maybe we’ll get our own answered in the streaming series called Falcon and Winter Soldier which is in the works for the Disney+ service.

“How does it feel?”
That’s what Old Cap asks Falcon after he gives him the vibranium shield.

“Like it’s someone else’s,” Falcon answers.

“It isn’t,” Cap tells him.

Does Rogers mean this as in, “it is yours now,” or is he telling the literal truth? After all, his shield was shredded by Thanos in the final battle of Endgame.

It’s possible in the timeline where Old Cap has been living that the shield he gave him actually belonged to that dimension’s Sam Wilson. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle.

If so, what became of that Sam, since the shield has now been brought to this timeline?

These are all valid questions, but we don’t have answers to them yet. It sounds like the Russos and the Marvel Studios braintrust have a plan to resolve them down the road.

The Captain’s Wife
Falcon notices the wedding band on Old Cap’s finger and asks if he’ll tell him about her. “No… no, I don’t think I will,” the old man replies.

We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one.

Still, many fans wonder if Steve Rogers didn’t find a way to make the timelines realign, allowing him to live in the shadows as Peggy’s “secret husband” who has been acknowledged but gone unidentified so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This seems unlikely based on the fact that the Russos said one of the outlying questions is “how is he back in this reality?”

Having him live quietly for decades in the prime reality also creates a lot of paradoxes: Why doesn’t he disrupt Hyrdra’s infiltration of SHIELD sooner? Why doesn’t he warn the Avengers about the coming alien invasion in 2012? Why doesn’t he interfere in all the major tragedies and conflicts that we know about?

Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don’t get to know any of it either.

Still, maybe we will. Marvel Studios has already broken new ground with interlocked storytelling, so perhaps the next experiment is tiered storytelling — alternate versions of familiar tales.

For instance, the whole “where did Cap go?” question could very well be answered in the animated What If series that Marvel is developing for Disney+, based on something it’s been doing in comics for a while.

The first announced title explores what would happen if Peggy Carter got the super-soldier injection. So … what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit?

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What if, what if, what if …

At this point, unfortunately, all we can say about What If is “it’s possible” and “who knows?”

Making Old Cap
Another question some moviegoers have about this final scene is — was that really Chris Evans as Old Man Cap, or a lookalike who was actually elderly?

It was all Evans, created through a mix of prosthetics on his face and digital touchups to thin it all down.

“Obviously, if it doesn’t work perfectly, it can undermine the emotional intention of the scene,” says Anthony Russo. “We did a lot of practical effects, so it was a very elaborate makeup job that was then augmented with CG, because there’s certain things that you can’t do with makeup in order to make Cap credibly that age.”

For example, he added: “You can’t shrink Chris Evans’ neck on set, you know what I mean? He’s still got that yoke neck.”

“He’s still a muscular man,” Joe added.

“Yeah, so [CG helps] things that you can’t achieve, like the way the face drops,” Anthony said. “It’s a balance we want to always strike between making him feel credibly aged, but also not compromising the performance.”

Evans even managed to change his voice into a hushed rasp without any audio adjustments.

“We didn’t alter his voice at all,” Joe explained.

“We always say this about Chris — he’s so technically sophisticated as an actor and you can see it in that scene when he plays an old man,” Anthony added.

“Everything you’re seeing is exactly his performance, just with his face aged. That’s it,” Joe said. “We didn’t change anything about it.”

Just like the past, you can’t alter it too much or it becomes unrecognizable.

A lot of the things we are wondering about will have to be explained away by the directors themselves.
 
One thing I didnt care for was Captain America dropping some swears. Especially considering his response to it in the other movies. Everytime someone did it he called them out on their language. It didnt feel right for me when he said them
He called them out first time and Stark took the piss out of him for it and he straightaway acknowledged/regretted it knowing everyone would keep ribbing him for it (which continued to happen lol).
 
Yeah I feel like Cap dropped a "s***!" in one of the other movies too

And "America's Ass" was 1) Quoting Ant-Man, and 2) Hilarious
So I'm cool with it
 
Agree with BoredGuy... I thought it was hilarious, YMMV. And despite being the "man out of time", he did spend almost 11 years in the present... he got with the times!

Happy Russos confirmed what I thought, that Cap lived out his life in an alternate reality. Did Cap get in more adventures in the Shire? Was there a 50's/60's Cap? Did he work with Peggy to make the alt reality a utopia? Or did he just live a quiet life under an assumed identity?

I'm sure they left the Bucky/Steve in alt reality thread open intentionally, would love to hear the rest of that story!
 
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Right, the power is inside Thor. And whoever holds the hammer shall possess the power of Thor. In the first Thor, his power was tied to the hammer when he was stripped of his power and the enchantment was made. So essentially, whoever is wielding it is copying his power is the easiest way to look at it. But on a practical appeal level, if they don't get the lightning, whoever holds the hammer is holding a normal everyday war hammer. Why is that cool? Ragnarok created what can be seen as slight inconsistency, but it is not hard to reason around it. For Thor, it's not his power source. Everyone else using it, it is.
Agree to disagree then. I think that moment was stupid and breaks the lore, and I know I'm not alone on either count. But if you like it then more power to you, I wish I did. I just don't.

But that's OK though, there was still a lot to enjoy about the movie. It did actually have my favorite Cap moment in the MCU.
 

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