Endgame Captain America/Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[inomilan]

I really don't get how anyone can be upset with Cap's end. He fully deserved it.

 

[The_Manhunter]

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Cap was awful in the last 20 minutes. Turned him into a Gary Stu who become stupidly overpowered and got a stupid cliche happy ending that was totally forced and didn’t fit the character at all.

Which was a shame because for most of the movie I really like him.

 

[The Duh]

I'm so happy Alan Silvestri brought back Cap's First Avenger motifs for Endgame.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Cap was awful in the last 20 minutes. Turned him into a Gary Stu who become stupidly overpowered and got a stupid cliche happy ending that was totally forced and didn’t fit the character at all.

Which was a shame because for most of the movie I really like him.

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The more I think about it - the more that sequence was shot all wrong. It should've been from Cap's perspective, seeing Thor pinned down by Thanos and then Cap reaching out for the Mjolnir not knowing if it would actually come to him. Hell, why not even feature that sound bite from Odin's enchantment from the original Thor movie as the power is surging thru Cap?

I get what you're saying that and I supposed it depends on the viewers sensibilities. With these films I feel there are less criticisms of the "Gary Stu" situation if they've developed a bond with the character and want to see something with feels.

 

[nypinta]

I loved so many moments for him in this movie,

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including when he took up Thor's hammer. I think he was always worthy of it. And he was either pretending he couldn't raise it in Ultron, to be polite, or the hammer knew it wasn't necessary for him to wield it at that time so it didn't let him. But regardless, I think the hammer gave him more than Thor's ability over lightening, but also his Asgardian strength, making him more than up to the task of kicking Thanos's ass at that time.

And I don't begrudge Steve his dance with Peggy finally. He deserves it really. I'm just not a fan of how they chose to go about it, or how it creates plot conflicts. Someone else I know thinks that Steve didn't create a loop, but that he came back from the new timeline he created with Peggy. Only, if that were the case, he should have arrived on the platform, not calmly sitting on a bench behind them. Because if it was a time loop they should have left hints in all the previous movies. But also because they've already established that one can not change anyone's past who has already experienced it, if it is a time loop, then Steve didn't save *this* Bucky. Can anyone imagine him going back to Peggy and letting Bucky suffer that fate? Hell no. But if it's not a time loop and he did come back from an alternate timeline, you can bet he did save that time line's Bucky. But we get nothing to indicate that either. So it can leave the impression that Steve suddenly became really selfish and that really bothers me. Maybe it's something they'll address in the Falcon/Winter Soldier series. But I kind of doubt it.

I guess they were trying to imply that Steve and Bucky talked about what he was going to do by the way Bucky knew where to look for Steve at the end and that he knew it was Sam Steve was going to want to talk too. I guess we're supposed to be satisfied with the "taking all the stupid" callback to the first movie of his but him and Bucky both went through a whole lot more for that to really be it between them. I just feel like that relationship got shortchanged, by a whole lot. I think that Bucky should have gone with Steve and we see them just about ready to come home when Bucky basically tells Steve he's not letting him go back because he's got a date, and Steve realizes he's leaving him in the right place in time to find Peggy, but it's in 1970. She's older, Steve is older. It makes more sense. Peggy'd then still have all the moments of what she did on her own, and when she sees him for the first time she can say, "You're late." And he can say, "Lost my ride." Or something. But then the movie would have been another half hour longer, haha. So, maybe not.

 

[Deck Rickard]

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Cap was perfect in this film. The MVP for me (though Tony was a close second). Totally loved his ending; dude has saved the world, what? Five times now? And he saved the universe this last time. He’s totally earned his retirement with the woman he loves. My only issue with it is that it doesn’t quite work out with the time travel rules they established. But I’ll let that slide because it was a beautiful ending.

 

[Kanon]

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I can see people not liking, on principle, his ending, but I just see it as being his "afterlife". He deserved heaven, after all. Why do we need to see him dying just so he can get it?

 

[WhoMani]

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Someone told me that Steve has a quantum GPS device that kept him tethered to this (prime) timeline. He stayed with Peggy in our timeline, it didn’t break off into another line like every other instance. In effect there were 2 Caps, ours and Old Man Cap that stayed hidden. I think I need to watch the movie again to clear up any confusion that I had with Old Man Cap (I was gonna watch it again anyway)

 

[Herolee10]

On another note, I am glad that Alan Silvestri was brought back to be the music composer for this film. Given the fact that he had composed the music for "The First Avenger", I appreciate him bringing back some of familiar motifs and scores used in Cap's first film. It really made it feel like things had come into a full circle.

 

[ZenTheAvenger]

I understood Caps ending to be like this:

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He took all the stones back, along with Mjolnir restoring those other timelines and then went back to Peggy, creating an alternate timeline in which he lived his life with her. He may possibly have stopped Hydra, saved Bucky etc and had new adventures.

After Peggy died and he had lived his life with her, he decided to come back to the Prime timeline, using the GPS tech he still had from his original trip.

The reason he doesn’t appear at the platform is because he could presumably choose his own location coordinates and time, just like Stark and him did when going from 2012 to 1970. When they did that they didn’t have a quantum tunnel, they just used their devices after programming it. I think the quantum tunnel is just needed to make your initial jump from your Prime timeline.

So Cap comes back to the Prime timeline, gives Sam his shield which he probably had restored by Howard in the alternate timeline.

Now that he has left his alternate timeline, he’s permanently back in the Prime timeline now but as an old man, having lived out his post Endgame life with Peggy in the alternate timeline.

And if he needed more Pym particles to make the trip back to the Prime timeline, he could easily have befriended Hank Pym....

That’s how I understand it anyway, all seems to add up too.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I loved how we got Cap in multiple costumes even his suit from The Avengers . Which looked great .

 

[Quentin Beck]

The very end scene with Cap and you-know-who left me feeling very content and happy.

 

[Lencho01]

Spoiler question for the filming of his ending...

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Was that Evans with CGI like they did Atwell in Winter Soldier? (I'm still blown away that was CGI and not make-up)

 

[Manasrepublic]

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still pretty silly I think for Cap to give Falcon the shield and mantle instead Barnes. Their friendship has been the sole focus of 2 movies and their fighting styles are a lot more similar to each others than Falcon who has done well by creating his own identity. Also falcon sucks at hand to hand compared to barnes. The deep long friendship between Barnes and Rogers got short changed at the end and it would have been a brilliant moment to have Buckeye aim to fully redeem himself by taking on the mantle of Cap and doing as much good as he can. Falcon got pasted by characters like Rumlow and Lang but that’s more of an aside.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Another bit of thematic confusion for me was the following..I mean this as a partial critique but also because I probably missed something:

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Buckye and Rogers friendship runs so far deep that it’s beyond bizarre that Barnes would just linger in the background and not even speak to old Rogers. They didn’t even really share a moment on the field like IM and peter i feel their friendship got so shortchanged after being the basis of pretty much Steve’s entire trilogy. I don’t think that was very well handled

Lastly, why would steve make the choice of doing things over again with Peggy when wasn’t one of the key themes of thr movie about moving on??? I found that somewhat jarring but maybe I missed something or am misinterpreting some aspect

 

[KevTravels]

I've seen Hayley Atwell and she's 1 hell of a beautiful woman. If I were Steve, I'd have def done the same thing. It sucks being a virgin at age 100. He had no choice other than to go back in time to put a ring on her finger.

 

[KevTravels]

Cap was awful in the last 20 minutes. Turned him into a Gary Stu who become stupidly overpowered and got a stupid cliche happy ending that was totally forced and didn’t fit the character at all.

Which was a shame because for most of the movie I really like him.

who is Gary Stu? How was he stupidly overpowered?

 

[Enriquespy]

Loved him in this one.

He is truly the man with

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the butt of America

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[Schlosser85]

Beautiful send-off.

 

[sueb1863]

Moved to the Bucky thread.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've seen Hayley Atwell and she's 1 hell of a beautiful woman. If I were Steve, I'd have def done the same thing. It sucks being a virgin at age 100. He had no choice other than to go back in time to put a ring on her finger.

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Cap wasn't a virgin. Can we stop this. The "dance" is about being in love.

 

[writer0327]

who is Gary Stu? How was he stupidly overpowered?

The opposite of "Mary Sue".

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I guess some feel Cap shouldn't have been able to summon lightning with Mjolnir. Lift? Yes. Summon lightning? No.

 

[CaptainWagner]

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Cap wasn't a virgin. Can we stop this. The "dance" is about being in love.

I mean, I don't really see where there's room for him to NOT have been a virgin. He's not the type of guy who would be interested in casual hookups and his only real relationship we've seen is with Peggy, unless he and Sharon had more of a serious thing than we were ever shown.

 

[KevTravels]

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Cap wasn't a virgin. Can we stop this. The "dance" is about being in love.

Cap didn't have time to get LAID. He was waiting for something/someone.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I mean, I don't really see where there's room for him to NOT have been a virgin. He's not the type of guy who would be interested in casual hookups and his only real relationship we've seen is with Peggy, unless he and Sharon had more of a serious thing than we were ever shown.

He was fighting around Europe for years in WWII, perhaps in other theaters as we'll. There is no doubt in my mind that the moment in TFA where he meets a young woman (No... not the Tyrell chick ) looking at him with hungry eyes(again, NOT the moment that Atwell interrupts the action) is supposed to indicate he has his moments of "fun" while possibly facing death on the front lines.