Sequels Cast Kraven the Hunter!

[Visionary]

...And the people from IMDB are ******ed.

 

[Venom'sDad]

He can't NOT start as Kraven. What else would he start as? A normal guy? It's not like Doc Ock or Green Goblin or Sandman. You don't just "BOOM" become Kraven. It's like becoming Batman. You'd have to dedicate an entire movie to the process.

Exactly... look, if anybody understand Kraven, one would know he is not a true villain, in the same make-up of other villains in Spidey's lore. Kraven is more of a Big Game Hunter looking to catch the ultimate prize, the ultimate of all game, Spiderman. That's all. He is not scheming up diabotical plans, robbing banks and jewery stores, or killing people. His motivation is to hang Spiderman's head on a wall. We don't need an origin story for Kraven. Just let Peter find out some simple background information on who this Kraven guy is trying to get Lizard and himself, than move on.

 

[Visionary]

His motivation is to hang Spiderman's head on a wall.

That alone makes him every bit the villain as any. You all can keep saying Kraven shouldn't get a drawn out origin, but if he shows up in SM4, he will. Unless they make Karven a non-powered villain. Then, I'm with you.

 

[Venom'sDad]

OMG.... he is not really a villain in the same vein as GG, DocOck, etc, come on. If Kraven shows up in SM4, he will not be the focus, Lizard will be. Kraven would simply compliment the story and focus, on Lizard. An anti-hero so to speak. He would not be scheming plots and robbing and killing people.

 

[Kenayda]

Exactly... look, if anybody understand Kraven, one would know he is not a true villain, in the same make-up of other villains in Spidey's lore. Kraven is more of a Big Game Hunter looking to catch the ultimate prize, the ultimate of all game, Spiderman. That's all. He is not scheming up diabotical plans, robbing banks and jewery stores, or killing people. His motivation is to hang Spiderman's head on a wall. We don't need an origin story for Kraven. Just let Peter find out some simple background information on who this Kraven guy is trying to get Lizard and himself, than move on.

You clearly don't get the character. Kraven's origin is better than most and at the same time is very very different from the scientific, accidental shtick that has been wrinsed to death. Kraven comes from a background of honour and nobility. These are characteristics that I'd like to see explored, thus giving the story more credibility as a serious script and also, adding layers to the villain without the whole sympathetic approach.

The honour and nobility is a driving factor as to why he's so into the things he does. I don't want some short changed, half-assed back ground info on some game hunter like you suggested. It'll just be sm3 all over again. Look at what was done with venom.

 

[Kenayda]

OMG.... he is not really a villain in the same vein as GG, DocOck, etc, come on. If Kraven shows up in SM4, he will not be the focus, Lizard will be. Kraven would simply compliment the story and focus, on Lizard. An anti-hero so to speak. He would not be scheming plots and robbing and killing people.

He may not kill people but he'll sure as hell put people's lives in danger just to bait spider-man and the lizard. and you're right. He's know doc ock or GG in terms of villainy and it's all the more why the movie needs him. I don't want to see another villain robbing a bank. I want to see a crazed super-human hunter hungry to kill the lizard and spider-man.

 

[Venom 1988]

You clearly don't get the character

Reading his posts, I'd say he knows what hes talking about.

Kraven's origin is better than most and at the same time is very very different from the scientific, accidental shtick that has been wrinsed to death. Kraven comes from a background of honour and nobility. These are characteristics that I'd like to see explored, thus giving the story more credibility as a serious script and also, adding layers to the villain without the whole sympathetic approach.

The honour and nobility is a driving factor as to why he's so into the things he does.

You can explore all that without diving into his background and having a full fledge origin.

I don't want some short changed, half-assed back ground info on some game hunter like you suggested. It'll just be sm3 all over again. Look at what was done with venom.

Look at what exactly? Besides Brock needing more screen time and character development, Venom was fine.

 

[Captain Planet!]

This is SHH not IMDB.

...And the people from IMDB are ******ed.

I went to a bunch of boards and shared my ideas, they all dismmissed them and said that Kraven is stupid. One year later, everybody wants him.

And Gerard Butler would be a great Kraven.

 

[Spiderine]

OMG.... he is not really a villain in the same vein as GG, DocOck, etc, come on. If Kraven shows up in SM4, he will not be the focus, Lizard will be. Kraven would simply compliment the story and focus, on Lizard. An anti-hero so to speak. He would not be scheming plots and robbing and killing people.

Exactly....Kraven is only complimenting the story.

 

[Visionary]

I went to a bunch of boards and shared my ideas, they all dismmissed them and said that Kraven is stupid. One year later, everybody wants him.

And Gerard Butler would be a great Kraven.

lol, that's Spider-Man fans for you. They Flip more than they Flop. t:

 

[Visionary]

OMG.... he is not really a villain in the same vein as GG, DocOck, etc, come on. If Kraven shows up in SM4, he will not be the focus, Lizard will be. Kraven would simply compliment the story and focus, on Lizard. An anti-hero so to speak. He would not be scheming plots and robbing and killing people.

You can explore all that without diving into his background and having a full fledge origin.

I agree, they can do this without a full fledge story, I'm not saying that they can't. What I am saying is that they won't, they will go with the full fledge origin. Especially being that they've brought in a writer to focus more on character development. That means for both Connors and Kraven. They are not going go the Scarecrow or The Joker route that you people think. Spider-Man movie villains simply doesn't work that way. We always get to know the characters first, before they get their powers.

You clearly don't get the character. Kraven's origin is better than most and at the same time is very very different from the scientific, accidental shtick that has been wrinsed to death. Kraven comes from a background of honour and nobility. These are characteristics that I'd like to see explored, thus giving the story more credibility as a serious script and also, adding layers to the villain without the whole sympathetic approach.

The honour and nobility is a driving factor as to why he's so into the things he does. I don't want some short changed, half-assed back ground info on some game hunter like you suggested. It'll just be sm3 all over again. Look at what was done with venom.

You seem to get it, I'm hoping like crazy that the new script writer is thinking like you.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I agree, they can do this without a full fledge story, I'm not saying that they can't. What I am saying is that they won't, they will go with the full fledge origin. Especially being that they've brought in a writer to focus more on character development. That means for both Connors and Kraven. They are not going go the Scarecrow or The Joker route that you people think. Spider-Man movie villains simply doesn't work that way. We always get to know the characters first, before they get their powers.

Look, unless you have a crystal ball, you can’t say that with any degree of certainty. That’s simply your opinion and a bold one for that matter. Vandy, most likely was brought in to further develop Peter’s character pending a situation that Raimi desire him to experience or learn from, give depth to Gwen Stacy and little more to Capt. Stacy, Aunt May, Dr. Connors and possibly his family, and whom ever they could be setting up for future films… hint hint Rod Kingsley acquiring Oscorps or at least their technology. Kraven background may simply be touch upon. Vandy involvement does not necessarily mean what you think it mean.

Now, if you look at previous films, only Norman’s character got a full fledge history. Otto got as close to a full fledge origin one can get without it truly being full fledge. Harry maturation develop over time. Those where films featured a single villain. Sam focus more on character development for those villains, because of the allotted time in the context of the film. With multi-villains, Flint background was just touch upon; that was all it needed. Accident happen… wa-la, Sandman. Eddie’s background was never explored. He was simply introduced, created a rivalry with Pete, wrong place at wrong time…wa-la, Venom. There is no indication that they won’t follow the same format with multiple villains in this film. That assuming that Kraven is in it, which I have no doubt he will be.

You clearly don't get the character. Kraven's origin is better than most and at the same time is very very different from the scientific, accidental shtick that has been wrinsed to death. Kraven comes from a background of honour and nobility. These are characteristics that I'd like to see explored, thus giving the story more credibility as a serious script and also, adding layers to the villain without the whole sympathetic approach.

The honour and nobility is a driving factor as to why he's so into the things he does. I don't want some short changed, half-assed back ground info on some game hunter like you suggested. It'll just be sm3 all over again. Look at what was done with venom.

The film is about the trial & tribulation of Peter Parker/Spiderman and how his relationship and interaction with persons who inevitable become villains directly affect that. Kraven’s honor & nobility does not come to play here. Kraven is not a stand alone villain, like GG & DocOck, where that would be explored. Kraven is complementary. The film only have an allotted amount of time to tell a complete story.

Kraven role would simply compliment the story involving Peter Parker/Spiderman discover and attempt to help Dr. Connors/Lizard. Kraven, a big-time, well-known, celebrated game tracker/hunter, will be simply a deadly nuisance, as he try to capture both… for his own personal fame and glory. That's what he does. All of this honor & nobility stuff applies to his family name... not him. Kraven is a self-center, glory hogging, spoil brat, with an attitude, when things does not go as plan. You have no clue, what-so-ever, who Kraven really is.

 

[Visionary]

Look, unless you have a crystal ball, you can’t say that with any degree of certainty. That’s simply your opinion and a bold one for that matter. Vandy, most likely was brought in to further develop Peter’s character pending a situation that Raimi desire him to experience or learn from, give depth to Gwen Stacy and little more to Capt. Stacy, Aunt May, Dr. Connors and possibly his family, and whom ever they could be setting up for future films… hint hint Rod Kingsley acquiring Oscorps or at least their technology. Kraven background may simply be touch upon. Vandy involvement does not necessarily mean what you think it mean.

Now, if you look at previous films, only Norman’s character got a full fledge history. Otto got as close to a full fledge origin one can get without it truly being full fledge. Harry maturation develop over time. Those where films featured a single villain. Sam focus more on character development for those villains, because of the allotted time in the context of the film. With multi-villains, Flint background was just touch upon; that was all it needed. Accident happen… wa-la, Sandman. Eddie’s background was never explored. He was simply introduced, created a rivalry with Pete, wrong place at wrong time…wa-la, Venom. There is no indication that they won’t follow the same format with multiple villains in this film. That assuming that Kraven is in it, which I have no doubt he will be.



The film is about the trial & tribulation of Peter Parker/Spiderman and how his relationship and interaction with persons who inevitable become villains directly affect that. Kraven’s honor & nobility does not come to play here. Kraven is not a stand alone villain, like GG & DocOck, where that would be explored. Kraven is complementary. The film only have an allotted amount of time to tell a complete story.

Kraven role would simply compliment the story involving Peter Parker/Spiderman discover and attempt to help Dr. Connors/Lizard. Kraven, a big-time, well-known, celebrated game tracker/hunter, will be simply a deadly nuisance, as he try to capture both… for his own personal fame and glory. That's what he does. All of this honor & nobility stuff applies to his family name... not him. Kraven is a self-center, glory hogging, spoil brat, with an attitude, when things does not go as plan. You have no clue, what-so-ever, who Kraven really is.

All interesting points, but Sam Raimi isn't the one writing this film, and may not even be the one directing it. And if they do go with Sam Raimi's way of thinking/writing, Peter is going to have some connection with Kraven, which I seriously don't want to see. The new writer may find just as much interest in Kraven, as he does Connor/Lizard. Or he may connect Connors and Kraven together in some way. It can go either really, especially if Sam Raimi really doesn't have a say in the matter. And I do wonder if he does or not. He said the story is up to the new writer, so we'll see.

And if the new writer has control over what two villains appear, what if he doesn't want The Lizard or Kraven. Think about that one. Some directors or writers of comic book films, don't see certain villains working on screen, even when fans do. Talk to me now...

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

And if the new writer has control over what two villains appear, what if he doesn't want The Lizard or Kraven. Think about that one. Some directors or writers of comic book films, don't see certain villains working on screen, even when fans do. Talk to me now...

I would be very surprised if Lizard doesn't get picked as the main villain, and, by extension, I'll be surprised if the secondary villain isn't Kraven. I'll be shocked if the villain combination is not Lizard-Kraven, Lizard-Electro, or Electro-Vulture. I could end up eating my words, but I would say that those are by far the most likely villain combinations for Spider-Man 4. Electro-Vulture is the only direction I can really seem them going if they decide not to use Lizard, which is, in and of itself, highly unlikely.

If I were an oddsmaker (and I'm not, so these are likely very off), I think I'd set up the odds something like this:

Lizard-Kraven 2:1
Lizard-Electro 3:1
Electro-Vulture 10:1
Lizard-Vulture 25:1
Lizard-Carnage 50:1
Scorpion-Mysterio 100:1
Electro-Carnage 100:1

Anyone has negligible chances, I think.

 

[Visionary]

Hey, I agree with you 100%, that's pretty much how my list would go too. But what if the screenwriter's list is different, then there's a problem. Unless Raimi didn't tell us that it's really him and Sony/Marvel who decides what villains get picked, and the new writer just writes the script based on the two villains they chose for him.

 

[Venom'sDad]

All interesting points, but Sam Raimi isn't the one writing this film, and may not even be the one directing it. And if they do go with Sam Raimi's way of thinking/writing, Peter is going to have some connection with Kraven, which I seriously don't want to see. The new writer may find just as much interest in Kraven, as he does Connor/Lizard. Or he may connect Connors and Kraven together in some way. It can go either really, especially if Sam Raimi really doesn't have a say in the matter. And I do wonder if he does or not. He said the story is up to the new writer, so we'll see.

And if the new writer has control over what two villains appear, what if he doesn't want The Lizard or Kraven. Think about that one. Some directors or writers of comic book films, don't see certain villains working on screen, even when fans do. Talk to me now...

I understand that Sam Raimi probably won’t be writing SM4(hence Vandy's attachment) and possibly not directing it; but hey, we are just speculating, base on what we got over 3 films. I certainly don’t know exactly what Sam’s role is with this film; or, if he is actually attached to the project. Regardless, it does not change my feelings on the direction this film should take and how much history or background the characters should have.... in particular the villains.

You have so many “if's” & “or's” in your question, for me to give you anymore concrete answers, than what I’ve already covered.

 

[Visionary]

Who's Vandy?

 

[Venom 1988]

Who's Vandy?

Im assuming hes talking about James Vanderbilt

 

[Visionary]

You people have a nickname for the screenwriter?

 

[Venom 1988]

Apparently he does lol

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Assuming they are indeed using Kraven (and that's a big if), then I'd be willing to bet the studio at least approaches the newly Academy Award-winning Javier Bardem for the role. The biggest question would be whether he'd do it. If not Javier, then perhaps his No Country for Old Men costar Josh Brolin.

 

[Venom 1988]

No offense, cause I think Javier Bardem is a great actor and I thought he did an amazing job in No Country for Old Men, but I really can't see him as Kraven.

 

[Visionary]

What about Daniel Day-Lewis (There Will Be Blood) for Kraven The Hunter, he would be really good. Yeah, I know he doesn't seem the type to do a comic book film, but damnit he'd be really good in the role. Get busy SONY, offer him the world if you have to.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Could it be the presence of a mustache that makes Daniel Day-Lewis seem more appropriate as Kraven?

Never underestimate Javier. By all accounts, he was absolutely wrong for the role of Anton Chigurrh, having really only played hunky leads in sexy Spanish comedies (with some notable exceptions). I think he's got the build, the look, and the intensity.

I'd love to see Daniel Day-Lewis play a comic book villain at some point, but not Kraven. And I doubt he'd take on a comic book role.

 

[spiderfan970]

Josh Brolin FTW.