Cast the MCU X-Men/Fantastic Four

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't want Cho as Reed. I want the traditional FF adapted properly. I don't want Marvel to let the 2005 and 2007 Fox FF look like the most comic-faithful version we've had on the big screen, or for the Roger Corman version to look like the most faithful ever adapted.

No more fancy casting or tinkering with the designs. Just take a page out of the Imaginauts FF story where these comic writers (within the story) are constantly trying to tweak the designs to make the FF more relevant. But then they send a representative to spend a week with the FF.

His conclusion at the end of it is that people shouldn't try to get further away from what people love about the FF by changing all these things about them, but to go back to basics and adhere MORE faithfully to the original comics, because that's what people need to see.

I don't want Reed or any of the other FF race swapped just for the sake of it. Doing that again this time will also bring echoes of all the controversy with doing that for Johnny Storm. The FF in the MCU need to be controversy free this time round and go off without any kind of hitches.

If people want to race swap someone - race swap an X-Man. Make Wolverine black or Asian.

I just don't want Marvel to be effectively admitting that they can't top any of the Fox FF adaptations so they have to go so different to distinguish themselves. On the contrary, if they go more faithful, they WILL distinguish themselves.

Well the best way to get your wish is to make better Reed Richards' casting suggestions than John Cho cause I'm not seeing many.

Sometimes an actor fits the character better than any racially accurate candidate.

Doesn't happen often but it does happen.

Marvel Studios has made changes from the comics but for the most part- they feel organic and right.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well the best way to get your wish is to make better Reed Richards' casting suggestions than John Cho cause I'm not seeing many.

Sometimes an actor fits the character better than any racially accurate candidate.

Doesn't happen often but it does happen.

Marvel Studios has made changes from the comics but for the most part- they feel organic and right.

People have made other casting suggestions who aren't John Cho. If some people like him for the role, it's their subjective opinion. It doesn't mean that he is a better casting suggestion than the others.

If some people liked MBJ for the role of Johnny Storm, they could've argued that no-one else made any better casting suggestions for him than MBJ (and some did). Doesn't mean that it is fact though.

There are just as many reasons why John Cho isn't suitable for the part as there are for other people who may have been suggested.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well if no white actor embodies Johnny Storm as well as Jordan then that's actually a fair justification for race swapping a character.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd take Oscar Isaac for Reed Richards

 

[David H.]

Someone here suggested Isaac as Doom and I’m into that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'd like Oscar Isaac for either Reed or Doom.

And I think anybody being considered should be able to do either, because they're different sides of the same coin.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well if no white actor embodies Johnny Storm as well as Jordan then that's actually a fair justification for race swapping a character.

Well you know that's not true. Did MBJ even embody Johnny Storm at all whatsoever in that movie? If that's the best that anyone can do, then all hope is lost.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well you know that's not true. Did MBJ even embody Johnny Storm at all whatsoever in that movie? If that's the best that anyone can do, then all hope is lost.

He was awful. Could he have been better with a better script and better directing? Probably, but I also think it was far from perfect casting.

 

[Web-Head]

I'd take Oscar Isaac for Reed Richards

I'd be cool with Oscar

Well if no white actor embodies Johnny Storm as well as Jordan then that's actually a fair justification for race swapping a character.

MBJ was only cast because Trank wanted to work with him again

People have made other casting suggestions who aren't John Cho. If some people like him for the role, it's their subjective opinion. It doesn't mean that he is a better casting suggestion than the others.

If some people liked MBJ for the role of Johnny Storm, they could've argued that no-one else made any better casting suggestions for him than MBJ (and some did). Doesn't mean that it is fact though.

There are just as many reasons why John Cho isn't suitable for the part as there are for other people who may have been suggested.

Cho is 45 already anyway. Too old for Reed and if they're gonna go with someone in that age range, Jon Hamm is much better a fit

 

[Dark Raven]

He was awful. Could he have been better with a better script and better directing? Probably, but I also think it was far from perfect casting.

And then the only "teasing" that he might've done in the end was making a mean comment to the already morose and brooding Ben Grimm about being a thing that nobody wanted.

If they didn't even have any kind of friendship with each other before, then Johnny can't be teasing him. They didn't even seem to know one another. You don't go up to a random colleague at work and make the kinds of comments you could actually make with your friend. If it's done within the context of a friendship, it's playful fun. If it's done outside of it, it is just verbal abuse and bullying.

And Fant4stic Ben Grimm already had enough abuse from his older brother shouting "it's clobbering time!"

MBJ's Johnny looked like the oldest of the bunch. And we were meant to buy him acting more immature than the others?

 

[David H.]

“Cho? 45, too old. Hamm? 46, but I can live with that.”

 

[Iron_Stark]

I don't want Cho as Reed. I want the traditional FF adapted properly. I don't want Marvel to let the 2005 and 2007 Fox FF look like the most comic-faithful version we've had on the big screen, or for the Roger Corman version to look like the most faithful ever adapted.

No more fancy casting or tinkering with the designs. Just take a page out of the Imaginauts FF story where these comic writers (within the story) are constantly trying to tweak the designs to make the FF more relevant. But then they send a representative to spend a week with the FF.

His conclusion at the end of it is that people shouldn't try to get further away from what people love about the FF by changing all these things about them, but to go back to basics and adhere MORE faithfully to the original comics, because that's what people need to see.

I don't want Reed or any of the other FF race swapped just for the sake of it. Doing that again this time will also bring echoes of all the controversy with doing that for Johnny Storm. The FF in the MCU need to be controversy free this time round and go off without any kind of hitches.

If people want to race swap someone - race swap an X-Man. Make Wolverine black or Asian.

I just don't want Marvel to be effectively admitting that they can't top any of the Fox FF adaptations so they have to go so different to distinguish themselves. On the contrary, if they go more faithful, they WILL distinguish themselves.

Kevin Hart for Wolverine! Nobody will complain about the height!

 

[David H.]

Dwayne Johnson as Sabretooth.

 

[Web-Head]

“Cho? 45, too old. Hamm? 46, but I can live with that.”

Nobody is saying that. They're both too old and will be pushing 50 by the time the movie comes out.

If Richards is gonna become a staple of the MCU and around for close to 10 years, it'll probably be someone 35-early 40's.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

MBJ's Johnny looked like the oldest of the bunch.

Yeah, I remember we were discussing this after the casting was announced. If we just knew the three male leads and not the characters they were playing, it would have been impossible to say who was playing who.

It could have just as easily been:

MBJ - Reed
Miles Teller - Ben
Jamie Bell - Johnny

or

Jamie Bell - Reed
MBJ - Ben
Miles Teller - Johnny

But there you go again getting me pissed off at that mess again, when we should be celebrating.

That casting was so awful, the only place it has in this discussion is an example of how not to do it.

 

[marcvader]

“Cho? 45, too old. Hamm? 46, but I can live with that.”

He actually qualified it with if they do go that way, he thinks Hamm is better.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I’m all for an Asian actor as Reed Richards but can we suggest someone better than John Cho? He’ll always be the MILF Guy to me. How about Daniel Wu? Better looking and can play a better action hero type.

 

[Marvel united]

Patrick Wilson would be my choice if they were going that old for Reed

 

[Big Bang]

I'd like to see MBJ take a crack at Blade.

 

[Tg11]

Reed Richards/Mr Fantastic- Joseph Gordon Levitt
Sue Storm/Invisible Woman- Blake Lively
Ben Grimm/The Thing- Alan Ritchson
Johnny Storm/Human Torch- Dylan O'Brien
Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom- Rupert Friend
Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer (CGI/voice)- Marton Csokas
Alicia Masters- Abbie Cornish
Namor- Rami Malek

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd like to see MBJ take a crack at Blade.

Not in the MCU. He's already Erik Kilmonger in Black Panther.

 

[David H.]

I’d rather see Hamm as Doom.

 

[Web-Head]

Reed Richards/Mr Fantastic- Joseph Gordon Levitt
Sue Storm/Invisible Woman- Blake Lively
Ben Grimm/The Thing- Alan Ritchson
Johnny Storm/Human Torch- Dylan O'Brien
Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom- Rupert Friend
Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer (CGI/voice)- Marton Csokas
Alicia Masters- Abbie Cornish
Namor- Rami Malek

I like your Reed and Sue. O'Brien wouldn't be bad as Johnny but probably a bit too old at this point and no thanks to Rami as Namor.

Personally would love an Asian Namor in the MCU.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well you know that's not true. Did MBJ even embody Johnny Storm at all whatsoever in that movie? If that's the best that anyone can do, then all hope is lost.

I didn't say Jordan was the best.

I'm saying IF someone is the best, race doesn't matter.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I like your Reed and Sue. O'Brien wouldn't be bad as Johnny but probably a bit too old at this point and no thanks to Rami as Namor.

Personally would love an Asian Namor in the MCU.

Asian Namor?

I think that could be cool.