Apocalypse Certified Fresh or Fresh or Rotten? The ROTTEN TOMATOES Thread - Part 1

[kineticist]

Another rotten review added. Luckily the % won't change.

 

[Mad Ones]

People are most interested in characters like Cyclops, Jean, Storm. People want to see them given more to do.

 

[sleekstereo]

I say your wrong.fox could totaly do it.and it's on the table if apocalypse
is disappointment at box office.

They didn't do it after First Class. Fox is an actor/director driven studio, unlike Disney which is IP driven. They see more value in the actors/directors than the actual IP itself. I don't see them letting go of their current talent to reboot the franchise. Especially after Deadpool, which now connected to the X-verse.

 

[Takato]

Looks like this'll probably stay rotten. Still can't believe that LWL review.

 

[def28]

Focusing on New Mutants, X-Force, Deadpool, Gambit etc. is probably the way to go. But reboot the main X Title is out of the cards. imo

It is probably best to sit on characters like Professor X, Magneto, Cyclops, Jean, Storm, for a good 5 to 7 years until the public wants them back again. I mean, if they are turning out other X-Men films of other characters, than the contract is not in danger of reverting back to Marvel. Plus, I will actually like the newer set of actors to grow up a bit before they are back in screen.

Yeah, but we don't know if these versions of the characters sell yet. Preference might have to be different then reality. Things are up in the air till box office and audience scores give us an idea.

Reverting to Marvel isn't really an issue anymore since they have Deadpool. If anything happened it would be a joint effort between studios, which isn't likely either.

 

[sleekstereo]

People are most interested in characters like Cyclops, Jean, Storm. People want to see them given more to do.

They were given material in first three films. Well Jean since she has been in more X-Men films.

If people want a fresh start, then focusing on other characters is the way to go, and in the present day. Because they are not going to recast Cyclops, Jean, and Storm again anytime soon.

 

[sleekstereo]

Yeah, but we don't know if these versions of the characters sell yet. Preference might have to be different then reality. Things are up in the air till box office and audience scores give us an idea.

Reverting to Marvel isn't really an issue anymore since they have Deadpool. If anything happened it would be a joint effort between studios, which isn't likely either.

A partnership or reversion has been totally placed out of reach because of Deadpool. If that movie wasn't successful, I could have seen it.

Because at this point, Deadpool makes no sense in the MCU. Especially since they've established that mutants are a big thing in the Deadpool movie.

Honestly, Deadpool may have put a reboot out of possibility as well. lol

 

[def28]

Maybe, but I don't think putting everything in modern times and recasting older is out of the question. This series is weird like that. The decade jumping may not be the best route anymore if this film hurts the franchise. Too early to tell.

 

[kguillou]

"Simply put, one of the worst comic book movies ever made." Come on! SERIOUSLY, people???! I can understand and appreciate a negative review that brings up flaws but that is plain click bait.

 

[kineticist]

"What we have here is the best of many worlds from a trenchant character study, to a whirl-a-gig action flick, to the heroic manner in which Professor Xavier loses his pate of curly locks" -Andrea Chase (Killer Movie Reviews)

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think it was Singer trying to do Avengers, nor was it anything like Transformers or X3.

In choosing to do Apocalypse, they went the route of a disaster movie but maybe they could have instead made it more intimate and suspenseful (which is Singer's thing anyway), with less scenes of global destruction and less of the CGI/VFX? That would have allowed more characterisation for Psylocke, Storm, Angel etc.

I don't think it's as bad as other people/critics are saying. I don't want to review it by comparing to the previous X-Men movies, or to the Disney/Marvel movies, or whatever. Review what you actually see on screen.

Reviews shouldn't be based on why this isn't Civil War (which isn't all it's cracked up to be... Tony Stark is told his actions resulted in a student's death and then goes to recruit another student, for instance... it's not the perfect amazing thing everyone keeps saying). Or why this isn't whatever else.

It's good, it's a visual feast but could have toned some of that down, and despite the epic destruction porn it does manage some great humour and emotion. Since a lot of the emotion is from Fassbender's Magneto, arguably that character/actor was worth being part of the mix even though he ate up time that could have been used for others. I'd like him absent from the next fllm though, he's gone through the whole cycle of emotions and allegiances and we need others to come to the fore and offer some soul and substance.

It's not perfect, but then again, what is? I have a number of criticisms among my praise for what they did do, but it's not some nightmarish failure of a movie.

 

[Smilodon]

Critical consensus is important and whatnot, but I don't think it's worth us fans getting personally worked up over and whatnot. It's something the filmmakers and whatnot should take to heart vs fans being worked up over it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I will actually like the newer set of actors to grow up a bit before they are back in screen.

Can't leave them to long since contracts do expire within a time frame and in certain circumstances

 

[GuestStar2004]

Maybe, but I don't think putting everything in modern times and recasting older is out of the question. This series is weird like that. The decade jumping may not be the best route anymore if this film hurts the franchise. Too early to tell.

Thing about the decade jumping is that it shouldn't be about the decade, its about the characters and should always be about the characters, so if apocalypse fails the fact thats a period movie won't be the reason for that, they didn't make FC because X3 failed in the present day setting.

 

[TheVileOne]

"Simply put, one of the worst comic book movies ever made." Come on! SERIOUSLY, people???! I can understand and appreciate a negative review that brings up flaws but that is plain click bait.

How do you know? Have you seen it?

 

[X-Maniac]

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a film set in the 90s, on a much smaller scale and with a smaller budget. Hopefully without Magneto, and maybe with Mystique having moved on. (Do a House of M movie if they want to make more use of Fassbender).

It's finding an interesting theme and essential story to tell that's the thing. There's a danger in repeating mutant experimentation or other already-seen elements if they are not careful. Singer's suggestion of Proteus may be a good one, except Doctor Strange will have done reality warping by then.

I'm not sure now that going straight into space and giving us Shi'ar, Dark Phoenix etc is a good thing to do immediately in the next movie. Those are my initial thoughts anyway.

 

[def28]

Thing about the decade jumping is that it shouldn't be about the decade, its about the characters and should always be about the characters, so if apocalypse fails the fact thats a period movie won't be the reason for that, they didn't make FC because X3 failed in the present day setting.

I completely agree with the bolded. But since the plan is to jump decades with these characters, if they don't work with audiences I can't see them going forward. They will need something different.

 

[TheVileOne]

How could House of M even work as a movie unless the concept is dramatically changed?

 

[GuestStar2004]

People are most interested in characters like Cyclops, Jean, Storm. People want to see them given more to do.

Thing is everyone right now is going nuts looking for something to blame when really the problem is Singer and kinberg, the 'meh' reviews have pretty much been aimed at story and to a certain extent the direction, its not because they are unhappy cyclops,jean and storm are not given more to do, its not because its a period piece, its just creative issues that didn't seem to gel this time.

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO, Kinberg is the main problem I think.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't think it was Singer trying to do Avengers, nor was it anything like Transformers or X3.

In choosing to do Apocalypse, they went the route of a disaster movie but maybe they could have instead made it more intimate and suspenseful (which is Singer's thing anyway), with less scenes of global destruction and less of the CGI/VFX? That would have allowed more characterisation for Psylocke, Storm, Angel etc.

I don't think it's as bad as other people/critics are saying. I don't want to review it by comparing to the previous X-Men movies, or to the Disney/Marvel movies, or whatever. Review what you actually see on screen.

Reviews shouldn't be based on why this isn't Civil War (which isn't all it's cracked up to be... Tony Stark is told his actions resulted in a student's death and then goes to recruit another student, for instance... it's not the perfect amazing thing everyone keeps saying). Or why this isn't whatever else.

It's good, it's a visual feast but could have toned some of that down, and despite the epic destruction porn it does manage some great humour and emotion. Since a lot of the emotion is from Fassbender's Magneto, arguably that character/actor was worth being part of the mix even though he ate up time that could have been used for others. I'd like him absent from the next fllm though, he's gone through the whole cycle of emotions and allegiances and we need others to come to the fore and offer some soul and substance.

It's not perfect, but then again, what is? I have a number of criticisms among my praise for what they did do, but it's not some nightmarish failure of a movie.

on apocalypse wiki page i have seen some critics complaning the X-men after all this time in films aren't having fun.some with some critics there
may be a bit of excepting X-men to be like avengers that is hurting.

I gave civil war a good rating in civil war section in it despite how i feel about spider-man.Some things related to stark i wouldn't have done.I feel
he created a lot of problems and others have to pay.there is valid point marvel made cap in his conclusion of his solo trilogy look questioable even though he is proven right so stark will look good.

The dire was cast on Apocalypse long ago.the final film in first class trilogy was always going to focus on Xavier,Magneto,Mystique.some are saying Cyclops and jean are important in this film.

There are valid critism on mystique's role.But,In context of film her taking charge leading students in third act works.

There is also a bit of some acting upset their favorate isn't focus or used heavily.

 

[X-Maniac]

How could House of M even work as a movie unless the concept is dramatically changed?

Changing things dramatically is what all these movies tend to do.

And this would have to be massively changed, yes.

Perhaps... Magneto could establish his own society (Genosha) which he rules with his children. That basic idea could remain. A new story could be woven around that.

 

[TheVileOne]

Changing things dramatically is what all these movies tend to do.

And this would have to be massively changed, yes.

Perhaps... Magneto could establish his own society (Genosha) which he rules with his children. That basic idea could remain. A new story could be woven around that.

That's not House of M.

 

[def28]

IMHO, Kinberg is the main problem I think.

Pretty much, but Singer should know better on some of his choices.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's not House of M.

Well, call it X-Men: Genosha and make it something else then.

X-Men First Class used only the title and I would imagine there will be little to nothing of Old Man Logan in the next Wolverine movie despite all the indications it's some sort of basis or inspiration.

What I'm getting it as having Magneto and some of his kids (Scarlet Witch at last, yay) in a spin-off set on Genosha.