The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chanes of this beating SM2 Quality wise?

[Oscorp]

He didn't look like a Power Ranger, but a Power Ranger villain.

 

[Nemeres]

If you didn't count the reviews criticizing TASM for being "the same movie over again" or "this movie was unnecessary," then the film's online ratings would be much higher. I'm sure it would have about 80% positive or more on Rotten Tomatoes.

Now people can judge TASM2 on its own merits. Hopefully.

But why wouldn't they count it? It's true, in a way. As I said in another post, you just can't ask audiences to forget, for your benefit, what they've already seen.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I look at this question in two categories:
One, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a film.
Two, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a Spider-man film.

I've never been a huge fan of SM2. When I first saw the film I wasn't all that keen on it, and I used to voice my issues with it when I first joined...though it was a lot harder then to criticize anything Spider-man related (until SM3 came out). However, I always try to stay objective while watching films, and, when viewed purely as a film, SM2 is a very good movie. It sets up a nice theme, the story reinforces it, it has good action, and (for the most part) solid acting.

But I've been a Spider-man fan since I was 3, and the movie made some cardinal sins that I have an extremely hard time forgiving. Spider-man wasn't Spider-man in that movie. Spider-man was voiceless and utterly lacking in personality...which isn't Spider-man at all. The Raimi films almost completely missed the relationship between Spider-man and Peter Parker that should be displayed. In Peter's early days as Spidey, Spider-man should be a completely different persona, in the same way Batman is a very different persona from Bruce Wayne. Spider-man is an outlet for Peter to act in all the ways he wanted to but never could: Cocky, confident, witty and funny. He's a hero who models himself after the quick witted swashbuckling heroes of classic cinema. That's who Spider-man is, and the Raimi films never got that.

Now, the Raimi films did a passable job with Peter Parker, but even then I wasn't a huge fan. They went overboard on the "LOOK AT HOW NERDY PETER IS!" moments, to the point where they still had people throwing paper balls at him in college. I mean, seriously, that's just ridiculous. I never viewed Pete as being a giant nerd, yeah, he's nerdy, but a lot of his social issues came from the fact that he was more of a loner, and by the time he went to college he had opened up a lot.

The next giant sin: Mary Jane. I don't think I need to say much. The SM2 and the Raimi films in general butchered her character horribly. She didn't resemble her comic counterpart at all, and I have a hard time imagining why they would make a wonderful character so incredibly dull and mostly unlikeable. And it's hard for me to get behind a film where the main love interest is completely dull.

Those are the main issues I had with SM2, though there are quite a few others, but mishandling of the main characters is a BIG deal to me. I also think I came down hard on SM2 because I expected it to fix the issues I had with SM1, but it actually made almost everything I had an issue with worse.

Now, I know ASM wasn't as good as a film as SM2, but as a Spider-man film I preferred ASM greatly. Yes, the story had issues, but it got the main characters right, and that to me is a HUGE step. Raimi could have made a SM4 that was oscar winning, but I wouldn't have been happy because his interpretation of the main Spider-man characters was one I wasn't interested in. Now, the ASM films aren't perfect either, I still want them to go farther in developing the Spider-man personality too, but they're much farther ahead on the right track.

Which is why, for me, it wouldn't be all that hard for ASM2 to beat SM2 quality wise in terms of being a Spider-man movie. As a movie however...that could be tough.

 

[Picard Sisko]

But why wouldn't they count it? It's true, in a way. As I said in another post, you just can't ask audiences to forget, for your benefit, what they've already seen.

1- Its not the same movie.
2- Technically, what movies out there are "necessary?" Seems like such a cheap criticism.

 

[Shikamaru]

I look at this question in two categories:
One, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a film.
Two, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a Spider-man film.

I've never been a huge fan of SM2. When I first saw the film I wasn't all that keen on it, and I used to voice my issues with it when I first joined...though it was a lot harder then to criticize anything Spider-man related (until SM3 came out). However, I always try to stay objective while watching films, and, when viewed purely as a film, SM2 is a very good movie. It sets up a nice theme, the story reinforces it, it has good action, and (for the most part) solid acting.

But I've been a Spider-man fan since I was 3, and the movie made some cardinal sins that I have an extremely hard time forgiving. Spider-man wasn't Spider-man in that movie. Spider-man was voiceless and utterly lacking in personality...which isn't Spider-man at all. The Raimi films almost completely missed the relationship between Spider-man and Peter Parker that should be displayed. In Peter's early days as Spidey, Spider-man should be a completely different persona, in the same way Batman is a very different persona from Bruce Wayne. Spider-man is an outlet for Peter to act in all the ways he wanted to but never could: Cocky, confident, witty and funny. He's a hero who models himself after the quick witted swashbuckling heroes of classic cinema. That's who Spider-man is, and the Raimi films never got that.

Now, the Raimi films did a passable job with Peter Parker, but even then I wasn't a huge fan. They went overboard on the "LOOK AT HOW NERDY PETER IS!" moments, to the point where they still had people throwing paper balls at him in college. I mean, seriously, that's just ridiculous. I never viewed Pete as being a giant nerd, yeah, he's nerdy, but a lot of his social issues came from the fact that he was more of a loner, and by the time he went to college he had opened up a lot.

The next giant sin: Mary Jane. I don't think I need to say much. The SM2 and the Raimi films in general butchered her character horribly. She didn't resemble her comic counterpart at all, and I have a hard time imagining why they would make a wonderful character so incredibly dull and mostly unlikeable. And it's hard for me to get behind a film where the main love interest is completely dull.

Those are the main issues I had with SM2, though there are quite a few others, but mishandling of the main characters is a BIG deal to me. I also think I came down hard on SM2 because I expected it to fix the issues I had with SM1, but it actually made almost everything I had an issue with worse.

Now, I know ASM wasn't as good as a film as SM2, but as a Spider-man film I preferred ASM greatly. Yes, the story had issues, but it got the main characters right, and that to me is a HUGE step. Raimi could have made a SM4 that was oscar winning, but I wouldn't have been happy because his interpretation of the main Spider-man characters was one I wasn't interested in. Now, the ASM films aren't perfect either, I still want them to go farther in developing the Spider-man personality too, but they're much farther ahead on the right track.

Which is why, for me, it wouldn't be all that hard for ASM2 to beat SM2 quality wise in terms of being a Spider-man movie. As a movie however...that could be tough.

Well said. This new franchise has a lot more potential than the old one due to having a better foundation. They always have the chance to tell a mindblowing Spider-Man story, while the previous franchise did not have a chance to change the characterization of their characters after SM1.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I look at this question in two categories:
One, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a film.
Two, will ASM2 beat SM2 quality wise as a Spider-man film.

I've never been a huge fan of SM2. When I first saw the film I wasn't all that keen on it, and I used to voice my issues with it when I first joined...though it was a lot harder then to criticize anything Spider-man related (until SM3 came out). However, I always try to stay objective while watching films, and, when viewed purely as a film, SM2 is a very good movie. It sets up a nice theme, the story reinforces it, it has good action, and (for the most part) solid acting.

But I've been a Spider-man fan since I was 3, and the movie made some cardinal sins that I have an extremely hard time forgiving. Spider-man wasn't Spider-man in that movie. Spider-man was voiceless and utterly lacking in personality...which isn't Spider-man at all. The Raimi films almost completely missed the relationship between Spider-man and Peter Parker that should be displayed. In Peter's early days as Spidey, Spider-man should be a completely different persona, in the same way Batman is a very different persona from Bruce Wayne. Spider-man is an outlet for Peter to act in all the ways he wanted to but never could: Cocky, confident, witty and funny. He's a hero who models himself after the quick witted swashbuckling heroes of classic cinema. That's who Spider-man is, and the Raimi films never got that.

Now, the Raimi films did a passable job with Peter Parker, but even then I wasn't a huge fan. They went overboard on the "LOOK AT HOW NERDY PETER IS!" moments, to the point where they still had people throwing paper balls at him in college. I mean, seriously, that's just ridiculous. I never viewed Pete as being a giant nerd, yeah, he's nerdy, but a lot of his social issues came from the fact that he was more of a loner, and by the time he went to college he had opened up a lot.

The next giant sin: Mary Jane. I don't think I need to say much. The SM2 and the Raimi films in general butchered her character horribly. She didn't resemble her comic counterpart at all, and I have a hard time imagining why they would make a wonderful character so incredibly dull and mostly unlikeable. And it's hard for me to get behind a film where the main love interest is completely dull.

Those are the main issues I had with SM2, though there are quite a few others, but mishandling of the main characters is a BIG deal to me. I also think I came down hard on SM2 because I expected it to fix the issues I had with SM1, but it actually made almost everything I had an issue with worse.

Now, I know ASM wasn't as good as a film as SM2, but as a Spider-man film I preferred ASM greatly. Yes, the story had issues, but it got the main characters right, and that to me is a HUGE step. Raimi could have made a SM4 that was oscar winning, but I wouldn't have been happy because his interpretation of the main Spider-man characters was one I wasn't interested in. Now, the ASM films aren't perfect either, I still want them to go farther in developing the Spider-man personality too, but they're much farther ahead on the right track.

Which is why, for me, it wouldn't be all that hard for ASM2 to beat SM2 quality wise in terms of being a Spider-man movie. As a movie however...that could be tough.

I agree so much with this. Where ASM may have fallen short in its overall production as a film it outdid the Raimi movies in its ability to bring to life the character of Spider-man.

To be a better Spider-man movie than SM2 will not be very difficult at all however it may not exceed SM2 as a film. And honestly, that's ok. I'm invested in these movies to see Spider-man and have him be fleshed out in an inspiring fashion. To have ASM2 be an excellent film on top of that...well, that would be just a big bonus.

Well said. This new franchise has a lot more potential than the old one due to having a better foundation. They always have the chance to tell a mindblowing Spider-Man story, while the previous franchise did not have a chance to change the characterization of their characters after SM1.

Agreed.

 

[AnneFan]

Tobey Maguire is my Spider-Man and SM2 is my favourite.

Though I was never a big hater of the reboot, I was pleasantly surprised to enjoy it just fine. Especially after hearing how dire it apparently was. TASM2 will be better than TASM, I am sure of it. I really liked the trailer footage that emerged.

I'm happy with where the franchise rests at the moment.

 

[chaseter]

No it will not beat SM2. Oh look...I have as much no information as everyone else!

 

[Green Goblin]

No it will not beat SM2. Oh look...I have as much no information as everyone else!

Dude it's if it has a chance based purely on what we have seen so far.

It never says in the poll do you think it will beat it?

 

[JOE]

Deciding whether a Spider-Man movie will have a chance to dethrone arguably the best Spider-Man movie (so far) based on shaky cam comic con footage is premature. Basically what chaseter is saying.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Tobey Maguire is my Spider-Man and SM2 is my favourite.

Though I was never a big hater of the reboot, I was pleasantly surprised to enjoy it just fine. Especially after hearing how dire it apparently was. TASM2 will be better than TASM, I am sure of it. I really liked the trailer footage that emerged.

I'm happy with where the franchise rests at the moment.

This is similar to what Andrew Garfield said at Comic Con. But I believe he said: "Tobey Maguire will always be Spider-Man to me" after some kid made an unfavourable comparison, dissing Tobey's portrayal.

I suppose it's a bit like the Doctor or James Bond (aside from the fact that there have been only two Spider-Men). Everyone's got their favorite.

 

[BatmanGoesToRio]

My favorite part of Spider-man 2 will always be the "Raindrops are Falling on my Head" scene. It's campy and makes for jarring contrasts in the tone of the film, but that's part of why I like

I like this part, too.
SM2 is so much fun too watch. Even if TASM2 will be more faithful to the resource material it will be difficult to get any better than SM2.
If TASM2 is nearly on the same level like SM1 I'll be more than satisfied.

 

[Nemeres]

My favorite part of Spider-man 2 will always be the "Raindrops are Falling on my Head" scene. It's campy and makes for jarring contrasts in the tone of the film, but that's part of why I like it. I LIKE campy things.

That's exactly what makes it awesome. It's so bold and funny and chock-full of personality. God, was that a genius creative choice.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, I think I'm just not a fan of that style. I really disliked the raindrops sequence when I first saw the film. As I've gotten older I didn't mind it, but I was never big on it.

It was just frustrating to me that Raimi seemed to think the only kind of comedy he could get into a Spider-man film were "look at how NERDY Peter is!" moments, when I feel that a large chunk of the comedy should come from the Spider-man persona.

But to each their own. The Raimi take was just not one I enjoyed all that much. I didn't mind SM1, but SM2 was definitely a let down for me.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Deciding whether a Spider-Man movie will have a chance to dethrone arguably the best Spider-Man movie (so far) based on shaky cam comic con footage is premature. Basically what chaseter is saying.

It's pure speculation based on a number of things but it would be foolish of someone to actually believe that there is a solid answer based on the info we've been provided thus far. Believe what you want but the only solid answer occurs when the movie actually releases to audiences.

Maybe this thread was created a bit early but it's still a topic that will always come up no matter what film is in production or about to be released. We'll always be wondering if the next Spidey movie will be better than what many have considered as the current champ. And even if that changes, the topic will still come up.

Obviously the more info we get, trailers, more interviews with the cast/director, posters, pics, whatever, etc., people will be able to make a better guess-timate as to how they think the movie will do against what's believed to be 'top dog.' The difference is, some people are able to discuss this topic in a reasonable manner.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think the raindrops keep falling on my head montage is what gave birth to the street walking emo peter montage in SM3

 

[mayo23]

Deciding whether a Spider-Man movie will have a chance to dethrone arguably the best Spider-Man movie (so far) based on shaky cam comic con footage is premature. Basically what chaseter is saying.

Goes both ways man. You've already decided for yourself that it won't be better than SM2. A little premature right, though you can probably already tell that.

 

[BatmanGoesToRio]

I have to admit that I am not very familiar with the Spider-Man comics. I'm a Batman reader.
So I watch the Spidey movies just as "films" and not as "Spider-Man films".
With this background I enjoyed SM1 a lot and SM2 even more but TASM not so much.

 

[Nemeres]

Goes both ways man. You've already decided for yourself that it won't be better than SM2. A little premature right, though you can probably already tell that.

That is not what he said...

 

[mayo23]

That is not what he said...

My bad. Early hypothetical prediction sounds a bit more correct then.

 

[mayo23]

I have to admit that I am not very familiar with the Spider-Man comics. I'm a Batman reader.
So I watch the Spidey movies just as "films" and not as "Spider-Man films".
With this background I enjoyed SM1 a lot and SM2 even more but TASM not so much.

I agree with most of this. As films, I would rank SM2 (and SM1 just a smidgen) over ASM. They were more fun, had serviceable acting and told a great cohesive story. So I would say I enjoyed them more, although I never ever liked Tobey as Peter/Spider-man. That said, I do prefer ASM overall and not just because I think they're doing more justice to the characters.

For me, ASM has better tone, better performances, more visual and subtle story telling, less camp and what I find to be more real, relateable characters. These are qualities I would take in a film over another in a heart beat.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I have to admit that I am not very familiar with the Spider-Man comics. I'm a Batman reader.
So I watch the Spidey movies just as "films" and not as "Spider-Man films".
With this background I enjoyed SM1 a lot and SM2 even more but TASM not so much.

Very fair. I find the opposite to be true as well. If you're a fan of slavish verisimilitude to the aesthetics of the comics (or cartoons as it were, around here), but story and having an overall "good film" is secondary, then you'll probably enjoy TASM quite a bit and the Raimi films not so much.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Though, one thing I will say, while I do think SM2 is a good film, I also think it's a bit dated in it's style.

And I don't mean dated as in "oh that's such an early 2000's movie" I mean dated in the sense that Raimi's style was very old school. He loved the 70's Superman films, and it showed in his Spidey films.

I never liked those films or that style, which probably adds to why I wasn't a giant fan of his Spidey movies.

 

[BatmanGoesToRio]

Very fair. I find the opposite to be true as well. If you're a fan of slavish verisimilitude to the aesthetics of the comics (or cartoons as it were, around here), but story and having an overall "good film" is secondary, then you'll probably enjoy TASM quite a bit and the Raimi films not so much.

Yeah, I think so, too. For me it's much more difficult to enjoy a Batman movie than a Spidey, Hulk or Iron Man flick.
So, the only Batman movie I really like is Begins. But TDK, Batman '89 and Batman Returns might be better films. I don't know.

 

[Oscorp]

Yeah, I think so, too. For me it's much more difficult to enjoy a Batman movie than a Spidey, Hulk or Iron Man flick.
So, the only Batman movie I really like is Begins. But TDK, Batman '89 and Batman Returns might be better films. I don't know.

Out of curiosity, what is it about TDK you don't like as much? It's not very often I hear such an opinion, that's why I'm asking.