Christopher Nolan Meeting With Directorial Candidates

[Kurosawa]

Sadly you're right. Honestly I think the problem started in post-crisis.

At times I'm annoyed by the look of a younger looking Superman because he just doesn't strike me as this powerful presence like he was pre-crisis, when he (at least to me) looked older. I don't see that demanding presence in the modern Superman comics.

Plus another thing I don't like is that Superman becomes very unsure of his beliefs in post crisis. I always believed that while Superman is not as uncompromising as Batman (no one is), he should still be very firm with him believe.

Thats why with the film, I'd prefer if they go with an older actor who can show that demanding presence, like Jon Hamm.

It absolutely started Post-Crisis due to a number of decisions. Personality wise Post-Crisis Superman is basically Superboy crossed with Tom Welling off of Smallville. He has very little personality wise in common with the classic version of the character. The extreme naivete and Lil' Abner farmboy aspects date back to the Donner movies actually, as the Post-Crisis version was influenced by them. They cut the powers, but more importantly when they made him a Peter Parker/Colossus hybrid, they cut out the MAN part of SuperMAN. He is no longer an independent adult, but instead an eternal juvenile running home to momma for milk and cookies or being emasculated by his shrew of a wife. Superman is basically humiliated by everyone in the comics nowadays. He's a whipping boy.

Goddamn it that wasnt my point. My point was that there are writers who get both characters and can write great stories for both characters.

And really now, All Star Superman is one of the best, if not THE best Superman story ever. STAS is loved by everyone, and so is JLU where every character had his/her moments. Did you watch the Superman heavy episodes like "For the man who has everything", "Doomsday", "Hereafter", etc? Superman was amazing in them!

But you have to ***** about writers belittling your favourite character right? Even when nothing suggests that its really the case. And no, Miller doesnt count because nobody takes him seriously. Besides, every time Batman takes down Superman he has 10 contigency plans working at once, all the plot armor and luck in the world, and barely lives to tell the story. In TDKR he and Green Arrow tricked and poisoned Superman with K before beating him. In Hush, Loeb wanted to show off in a ridiculous story (which is overrated because of marketing and Jim Lee's art), and even then he had Bruce admit that Superman is fighting the mind control and holding back, while at the same time the leaking gas main was preventing him from using his heat vision.

Nobody makes fun of Superman. You just dont want to see him lose. You want to read your Golden Age stories where he pushes the Earth back to orbit and beats god with his pinkie while everyone bows down to him.

Those are Silver Age stories and I'm more concerned with his personality than his power level, although he was so weak in the Timmverse that I called him "kinda powerful man". Of the people you listed only Morrison wrote Superman close to right and he still holds to the Byrne spawned farmboy crap that was never part of Siegel's intentions and was never important at ALL until the Donner movie. Classically, a small part of Clark's upbringing was on a farm. . Now it is one of the most dominant and important parts of his character. There is nothing wrong with rural farm characters, but that is simply not what Superman was designed or intended to be.

Last comics writer to get Superman 100% right was Alan Moore. All-Star Superman was great but it seemed even greater than it was because 99% of most recent Superman material is unimpressive. But it's not the greatest Superman story of all time, and I personally wouldn't even rank it in the top-ten if you consider single-issue stories.

 

[Mr. Earle]

although he was so weak in the Timmverse that I called him "kinda powerful man".

They obviously depowered him along with the Flash, WW, the New Gods, and many others so that they could show them fight. Its really hard to show fights that happen at supersonic speeds. Stop taking things so personally as if its all a conspiracy against Superman.

Of the people you listed only Morrison wrote Superman close to right and he still holds to the Byrne spawned farmboy crap

Which wasnt in All-Star Superman. If anything, Superman was an infallible GOD in that comic book.

Of the people you listed only Morrison wrote Superman close to right and he still holds to the Byrne spawned farmboy crap that was never part of Siegel's intentions and was never important at ALL until the Donner movie.

Listen, these guys wrote Superman back when all it took to create a superhero was to think of some random powers, throw some random colours and be done with it. Bob Kane chose the bat because all the other animals were taken! So you see, things worked differently back then.

Also, you have to realise that since his conception the world has been filled with other Superheroes covering every niche, character trait, powerset, etc. Consequently in order to stay in touch with the audience as society/tastes/etc change, Superman had to evolve from what his creators intended.

In DC's current Universe, Superman is the daddy, the one everyone looks up to. Look at the "Grounded" story and how everyone is out there to meet him as he walks by. Nobody would give a damn if it was any other superhero. He is their Jesus, and like him he has humble origins, and a good family backbone. When its an issue of morality, everyone runs to ask Superman's opinion. Have you read "Superman/Batman Annual #2" which deals with how they met and came to respect each other? How after originally hating him batman comes to admire Clark and understand that he works on a different level?

The genius + dick part is taken by Batman, so he cant be that. His former arrogance is replaced with humility, more fitting to the "most human of us all" as others have remarked. Do you really miss that Superman?

Classically, a small part of Clark's upbringing was on a farm. . Now it is one of the most dominant and important parts of his character.

Well he was raised on a farm with applepie values, so it makes sense. Why did Shiegel and Shuster give him humble origins if he turned out to be a dick?

All-Star Superman was great but it seemed even greater than it was because 99% of most recent Superman material is unimpressive.

All Star Superman is a great comic book regardless, simply because of Morrison's vision, themes, the way he encompasses many versions and eras of the character, and the epicness of the story. Are you sure you got the message of the story, instead of spoiling everything by clinging to details?

But it's not the greatest Superman story of all time

Ok, maybe i went too far. So which story do you consider the best SM story of all time?

He is no longer an independent adult, but instead an eternal juvenile running home to momma for milk and cookies

Unlike other superheroes, his parents are part of his supporting cast since day one. What's so bad about keeping in touch with your parents? He is in no way a wuss when good writers handle him. He is as much a wuss as Batman is psychopathic, Hal is stupid, or WW is a ****e. Bad writers will always fail.


CONCLUSION:
At the end of the day nobody gives a crap about what Shiegel and Shuster wanted because they and their Superman worked in a different era which doesnt have anything to do with ours. If Superman has changed since then, its only because he's trying to keep up with the times. You re clinging to a relic and the intentions of 2 comic book writers who lived 80 years ago. I bet you that if they were around to write Superman to this day, they would have changed and evolved him themselves, otherwise they would have gone out of business.

 

[Frankenmation]

At the end of the day nobody gives a crap about what Shiegel and Shuster wanted because they and their Superman worked in a different era which doesnt have anything to do with ours.

Yeah, screw those two morons who only created comic's greatest superhero! There's nothing that they wrote that could work in this time period! Because that was the 1940s! And this is 2010! You see! Different times! Oh happy happy happy!

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah, screw those two morons who only created comic's greatest superhero! There's nothing that they wrote that could work in this time period! Because that was the 1940s! And this is 2010! You see! Different times! Oh happy happy happy!

I didnt say nothing. But obviously a lot has changed since the 1930ies and people are interested in different things. Batman has gone from a vengeful vigilante who was willing to kill, to a self righteous idealist who refuses to take a life, with countless stories dealing with villains tempting him to break his rule.
"Oh no, Bob Kane didnt intend for Batman to have or care about this one rule. He's all about wacky adventures with Robin!"
And then there are the grimdark and gothic stories, etc.

I bet you my house that Bob Kane would have no idea that his red and white bat-man would come this far.

Anyway, in a DCU which keeps getting bigger and bigger, DC has given Superman the top stop, just like Marvel has done with Cap. And its great because he doesnt have that spot because of his powers, but because of his heart, his values, his humility, his heartwarming background, etc. In today's world, we are asking for better values and symbols and Superman has become the man of tomorrow, the man we aspire to be. That's why he is the best, not because he's macho.

 

[Rust]

Back on topic. I'm confused. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I'm not saying that I take Harry's word for it, but it sounded like he said there were TWO lists. The one we know and a "real" one. Huh, what?

Damn, why are they jerking us around and why are we letting them? Because we're geeks and cant help it?

 

[Dark Knight]

Just a little heads up.

Harry knows nothing of Team Nolan.

He has had some info about other projects in the past.....but he is not privy to any inside info of the inner workings of Chris Nolan and his projects.

 

[Dead Ken]

I think Nolan and Snyder would be a BEASTLY colaberation! I am all up for that for a Superman film, I can't see one thing that would be wrong.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Aint it Cool use to break alot of news and it still does break some stories but the site just isn't what it use to be so I'm sorry but I'm just not going to listen to Harry without any regard for those facts.

He said that the Latino Review was wrong when they completely weren't because he was obviously jealous as f**k that he didn't break the story. Just like he's obviously jealous now. Finke is ridiculous but she does break s**t. I'm not saying that they won't choose somebody not on this particular list but I do believe that these directors are on the list.

AICN has the benefit of being one fo the oldest geek sites regarding scoops so naturally they can (sometimes) get the info straight from the people. Look at Stallone of Cameron sometimes being asked to clarify certain things .

Yet as a site deliveirng scoops they've pretty much lost it. You are right in saying that Finke is more reliable that Knowles but that's just more to due to with the fact that she's got far more important sources. She knows what is happening in Hollywood .

Whatever the case i can see some truth in Harry's post.
Even though those name are being considered , i wonder what WB will do next. Both SNyder and Liebesmann have projects lined up. Liebesmann would basically have to back down from the Clash OF The Titans sequel. Which could also mean that WB wouldn't be able to make the sequel in the timeframe they want to because of Worthington starting work on AVatar 2 ( and 3). Snyder has Sucker Punch up as well as his Cobalt 9 ( or whatever his mutant movie is called) and Xerxes. Even though those movies can wait , i wonder if SNyder would basically finish working on Scker pUnch and then jump straight into the Superman production.

It's the same with Duncan jones. Source code opens april 15th.
Reeves is the only one who doesn't have a project lined up .Well him and Scott.

 

[craigdbfan]

I still can't believe production is moving this well. Really have to hand it to the folks over at WB and team Nolan/Goyer.

Also notable mention to some of our well connected members/mod/admins here in the Hype for bringing us information that was way ahead of the grain when it came to accurate info on this reboot.

 

[Frankenmation]

I didnt say nothing. But obviously a lot has changed since the 1930ies and people are interested in different things. Batman has gone from a vengeful vigilante who was willing to kill, to a self righteous idealist who refuses to take a life, with countless stories dealing with villains tempting him to break his rule.
"Oh no, Bob Kane didnt intend for Batman to have or care about this one rule. He's all about wacky adventures with Robin!"
And then there are the grimdark and gothic stories, etc.

I bet you my house that Bob Kane would have no idea that his red and white bat-man would come this far.

Anyway, in a DCU which keeps getting bigger and bigger, DC has given Superman the top stop, just like Marvel has done with Cap. And its great because he doesnt have that spot because of his powers, but because of his heart, his values, his humility, his heartwarming background, etc. In today's world, we are asking for better values and symbols and Superman has become the man of tomorrow, the man we aspire to be. That's why he is the best, not because he's macho.

I realise all that, and I know that Superman has changed with the times but that doesn't automatically mean that he's changed for the better, nor does that mean we should just completely forget about the roots of the character. I'm sorry but your "Nobody gives a **** about Siegel and Shuster" comment was completely stupid and disrespectful in my eyes. Why don't you try telling Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, Dan Jurgens, Jerry Ordway, Bruce Timm, Mike Carlin, Elliot S Maggin, Cary Bates, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka and everyone else that's been involved with the character and see if they agree with you.

I've seen Kurosawa post about this many, many times, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he's saying that Superman should go back to exactly how he was when he first debuted in Action Comics #1, I think he's just saying that some of what Siegel and Shuster originally intended for the character should be included as well. Doesn't mean we throw everything
that's been developed in the past 70 years out, it's just adding to it. Superman was a champion of the oppressed back then and battled corrupt politicians and other officials, I don't see why that would be out of place today.

Its like how Denny O Neil brought Batman back to his 1939 roots in the 70s. He didn't revert Batman back into a gun-toting killer who drove an ordinary red car and kept his suit in a chest, everything that happened before still happened. He just added to the overall character.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I really hope it isn't Tony Scott. He's never been that good of a director. His only two good films are Top Gun and True Romance.

 

[BH/HHH]

I really hope it isn't Tony Scott. He's never been that good of a director. His only two good films are Top Gun and True Romance.

Man on Fire is an excellent movie

 

[Mr. Earle]

I realise all that, and I know that Superman has changed with the times but that doesn't automatically mean that he's changed for the better, nor does that mean we should just completely forget about the roots of the character. I'm sorry but your "Nobody gives a **** about Siegel and Shuster" comment was completely stupid and disrespectful in my eyes. Why don't you try telling Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, Dan Jurgens, Jerry Ordway, Bruce Timm, Mike Carlin, Elliot S Maggin, Cary Bates, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka and everyone else that's been involved with the character and see if they agree with you.

I've seen Kurosawa post about this many, many times, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he's saying that Superman should go back to exactly how he was when he first debuted in Action Comics #1, I think he's just saying that some of what Siegel and Shuster originally intended for the character should be included as well. Doesn't mean we throw everything
that's been developed in the past 70 years out, it's just adding to it. Superman was a champion of the oppressed back then and battled corrupt politicians and other officials, I don't see why that would be out of place today.

Its like how Denny O Neil brought Batman back to his 1939 roots in the 70s. He didn't revert Batman back into a gun-toting killer who drove an ordinary red car and kept his suit in a chest, everything that happened before still happened. He just added to the overall character.

What is it with you guys and Siegel and Shuster? Are they your ancestors or something? If the character is better, then i really dont care about what they wanted. I piss on their graves!

 

[sdc10]

I think Nolan and Snyder would be a BEASTLY colaberation! I am all up for that for a Superman film, I can't see one thing that would be wrong.

Snyder is all style no substance in my opinion. I mean he directs 2 comic book movies and all of a sudden hes the go to guy for them?

 

[dark_b]

Snyder is all style no substance in my opinion. I mean he directs 2 comic book movies and all of a sudden hes the go to guy for them?

he directed watchmen this is superherohype. he is a movie god t:

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Is it too negative to say that all of those suggestions fill me with dread..?

 

[dark_b]

they are realistic directors who can direct this movie for WB

 

[BH/HHH]

Hated Dawn of the Dead 2004 and liked Watchmen (even though it was way too long) but I think Snyder would be a good choice for Superman. I'm sure with a good script he could make a great Superman movie.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Snyder being chosen would suck out all the excitement I have right now for the movie.

 

[El Payaso]

Snyder is all style no substance in my opinion. I mean he directs 2 comic book movies and all of a sudden hes the go to guy for them?

Yes. Watchmen and 300 were okay but they weren't good movies by a long shot.

Is it too negative to say that all of those suggestions fill me with dread..?

I agree. I feel absolutely no enthusiasm for any of those.

 

[BH/HHH]

I dont think it will be him anyway to be honest.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well if Duncan Jones gets picked there's probably a higher chance of Hamm or Cavisal getting picked, since they're older and all

 

[BH/HHH]

Well if Duncan Jones gets picked there's probably a higher chance of Hamm or Cavisal getting picked, since they're older and all

What makes you think he'd cast older?

 

[GinsterHead]

Yeah, I'm a little perplexed by that. Has Jones ever said anything about preferring older actors?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Duncan Jones trashed hollywood for preferring younger actors over older, experienced actors, which is BS to me because it feels as though Hollywood loves 30 or older actors.