Christopher Nolan's Inception

[Bunker]

That wasnt why she died.

That's not what I meant.

 

[Ziggyman]

Guys...I've said this so many times...and it does make sense...

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I think that Fischer gets shot...he's unconscious and dying...Cobb and Ariadne go into Fischer's head/dream where Cobb is the architect and mark (hence the limbo that he and Mal created which is constantly stuck in his head)...think of it this way...if Cobb and Ariadne had to chase Fischer...why would they try to get him in Cobb's dream, it makes more sense if they chased him down and retrieved him by going into Fischer's own "dream"...plus if Cobb and Ariadne chase Fischer in his own dream...it would explain how the defibrillator acts as a kick (causing the lightning in level 4) since it's the dreamer who has to set off the kick...as well, I'm pretty sure after Fischer and Ariadne jump, the dream starts to collapse as what happens when the dreamer exits their own dream...so after they jump, Cobb dies (either through the van in level 1 or Mal's attack in level 4)...and that's how he ends up in the water again while in actual limbo...of which Saito has been in for "awhile" now and has recreated things from his own memory, making it impossible to know if he was in the real world or not until he meets Cobb again...

 

[omid17]

Hopefully this clears up a lot of stuff that happened in the movie, for those of you that are still lost or confused (it certainly helped me):

http://kokhsien.blogspot.com/2010/07/inception-explained.html

thanks

 

[Anita18]

Guys...I've said this so many times...and it does make sense...

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I think that Fischer gets shot...he's unconscious and dying...Cobb and Ariadne go into Fischer's head/dream where Cobb is the architect and mark (hence the limbo that he and Mal created which is constantly stuck in his head)...think of it this way...if Cobb and Ariadne had to chase Fischer...why would they try to get him in Cobb's dream, it makes more sense if they chased him down and retrieved him by going into Fischer's own "dream"...plus if Cobb and Ariadne chase Fischer in his own dream...it would explain how the defibrillator acts as a kick (causing the lightning in level 4) since it's the dreamer who has to set off the kick...as well, I'm pretty sure after Fischer and Ariadne jump, the dream starts to collapse as what happens when the dreamer exits their own dream...so after they jump, Cobb dies (either through the van in level 1 or Mal's attack in level 4)...and that's how he ends up in the water again while in actual limbo...of which Saito has been in for "awhile" now and has recreated things from his own memory, making it impossible to know if he was in the real world or not until he meets Cobb again...

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Although somebody will have to get a hold of the script or record dialogue from the movie to make sure.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Yup we need the DVD/Blu Ray. Any announcement of its release date? t:
And Ziggyman's theory actually made sense.

 

[omid17]

5 Levels of Inception

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[DarKJediKnight]

Level 5 of that illustration is not Limbo. Remember the rules: The only way you can get there is if you get killed and can't wake up. Ziggyman is actually correct, that it is Fischer's dream populated by Cobb's subconscious (which includes memories from his Limbo). It is Fischer's dream because when he is being revived, the dream is collapsing.

 

[omid17]

Level 5 of that illustration is not Limbo. Remember the rules: The only way you can get there is if you get killed and can't wake up. Ziggyman is actually correct, that it is Fischer's dream populated by Cobb's subconscious (which includes memories from his Limbo). It is Fischer's dream because when he is being revived, the dream is collapsing.

but why would Cobb say Saito is down here? they would have to be in limbo for him to say that

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's pretty crazy and i'm honestly starting to think it wasn't explained properly in the movie. Nolan explained pretty much everything else but I think he missed one or two tidbits that would have helped. Which is why myself and a few others have been questioning the whole

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universal/multiple limbo aspect as well as Cobb being in limbo with Ariadne but then dying in the van and being in a different spot of limbo, unless in that short time frame the city Mal and him created was entirely gone by that point.

This helped. Thanks for putting up with my confusing post. t:

 

[omid17]

Level 5 of that illustration is not Limbo. Remember the rules: The only way you can get there is if you get killed and can't wake up. Ziggyman is actually correct, that it is Fischer's dream populated by Cobb's subconscious (which includes memories from his Limbo). It is Fischer's dream because when he is being revived, the dream is collapsing.

nope

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. Then how the hell did Mal and Dom get in Limbo? Dom continued going deeper than he should have and that's how they got there

Why do you think Cobb told Yusef how about "3" dreams, after that im pretty sure it's limbo, cobb needed to go through all three dream states to perform inception

 

[bullets]

Level 5 of that illustration is not Limbo. Remember the rules: The only way you can get there is if you get killed and can't wake up. Ziggyman is actually correct, that it is Fischer's dream populated by Cobb's subconscious (which includes memories from his Limbo). It is Fischer's dream because when he is being revived, the dream is collapsing.

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you could be right , cobb doesn't get to limbo until fisher winds up back in level 4 , it explains why saito was older because he jumped past cobb to get to limbo by dying

 

[bullets]

nope

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. Then how the hell did Mal and Dom get in Limbo? Dom continued going deeper than he should have and that's how they got there

Why do you think Cobb told Yusef how about "3" dreams, after that im pretty sure it's limbo, cobb needed to go through all three dream states to perform inception

Limbo is a state of consciousness , I think when the dream becomes your reality and the only way out is too except its a dream , however you still need a kick to transport

 

[omid17]

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you could be right , cobb doesn't get to limbo until fisher winds up back in level 4 , it explains why saito was older because he jumped past cobb to get to limbo by dying

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Saito was old because he died in the middle of 3rd level fight,buy that time leo and page go through a lot of **** and get into limbo, Saito was an old man, makes perfect sense cause of time change

 

[Poeman]

i decided to buy The Prestige on amazon for a couple of bucks...Nolan is now my favorite filmmaker

 

[Visceral]

First Impression is 10/10, Nolan brilliance as usual.

The ending though expected somewhat is ambiguous enough to a point.

the thing is...

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that mal is right, there would never be a way to distinguish what is real after this. Mal is right in that even if one would get back to what is real, a person would feel like it isn't. In a sense in the dream world she is the subconscious part of his mind that wants him to wake up not stay asleep. It is at the end when Cobb doesn't pay attention to the top that Cobb lies to himself, similar to Leonard, that this life is the real one.

Anyways I will write a little expose after seeing it a few more times. Mal is my favorite character tho.

Totems are spiritual entities by the way. I knew the term immediately.

 

[Ziggyman]

If anything and in all fairness...my theory (about level 4 and limbo being different) does seem to be the most possible/likely/plausible...what have you...out of all the other ones, and it does seem to tie everything together in the end...

 

[Poeman]

An excellent read

http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/dissecting-inception-six-interpretations-and-five-plot-holes/

Dissecting 'Inception': Six Interpretations and Five Plot Holes

 

[Anita18]

First Impression is 10/10, Nolan brilliance as usual.

The ending though expected somewhat is ambiguous enough to a point.

the thing is...

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that mal is right, there would never be a way to distinguish what is real after this. Mal is right in that even if one would get back to what is real, a person would feel like it isn't. In a sense in the dream world she is the subconscious part of his mind that wants him to wake up not stay asleep. It is at the end when Cobb doesn't pay attention to the top that Cobb lies to himself, similar to Leonard, that this life is the real one.

I was just doing lab stuff with my mind wandering around Inception, and I realized that Cobb's emotional journey is

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being able to accept possible deception if it helps his emotional catharsis.

The projection of Mal torments him because Cobb believes they should have grown old together. Cobb is finally able to let her go when he says that they DID grow old together, in a dream world. Fischer's revelation with his dream father reflects this - it doesn't matter to him whether he's talking to his real father, but the revelation is the same, and he comes to accept it as truth. And it plays out again when Cobb turns away from the top to greet his children. It no longer matters to him whether the world he's in is real or not, because his emotions are real.

It's just like the relationship between the film and the audience.

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The feelings we experience while watching a movie are real, even though what we're watching is not real at all.

 

[omid17]

If anything and in all fairness...my theory (about level 4 and limbo being different) does seem to be the most possible/likely/plausible...what have you...out of all the other ones, and it does seem to tie everything together in the end...

i agree with most of the stuff

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, but why would cobb show up right there where saito was and totally forget what he came there to do

 

[Ziggyman]

i agree with most of the stuff

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, but why would cobb show up right there where saito was and totally forget what he came there to do

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He knew to find Saito...he just didn't know that was him...

The guard even said before Cobb entered..."he asked for you and had these things on him" or something...

 

[Solidus]

An excellent read

http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/dissecting-inception-six-interpretations-and-five-plot-holes/

Dissecting 'Inception': Six Interpretations and Five Plot Holes

I really don't see most of those as plot holes. Because of films like this with so many layers and interpretations and so much undiscovered still which could take forever I really don't see those as plot holes it could be hard to peg down.

I read the Something Monkey "Inception Explained." He did a horrible job. The kid really did not fully understand the basics of the film. Some of these "explanations" are horrible. Some are good though.

 

[Avengers-Report]

I had a few questions if someone could try and help me out!

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1. Is level 4, the world Cobb and Ariadne enter, Limbo or just another dream world with Cobb's subconscious filling the world?

2. If it IS Limbo, does that mean you don't have to die to get there? And how did Saito become so much older?

3. If it is his subconscious, how did Fischer Jr. get there?

4. The end is most likely a dream, but where is Cobb?

 

[Spider-Fan]

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Level 4 I also think was limbo. Cobb constructed that dream city with Mal, so to get back to it had to either be limbo or his own dream recreating limbo. Given Cilian Murphy was there after dying, it had to be limbo. However, Saito was deeper in limbo. His death wasn't sudden, so he had more time to come to terms with death. Hence why he fell deeper into limbo. They never said you couln't go more than 4 levels. They just said after level 3, it was limbo. Level 5 was also limbo, just much deeper into limbo. This is where Saito was. At least, this is how I see it.

I'll try and confirm when I see it again tomorrow. Maybe my theory will change.

 

[omid17]

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He knew to find Saito...he just didn't know that was him...

The guard even said before Cobb entered..."he asked for you and had these things on him" or something...

i see

 

[Brother Jack]

Sorry, there's no way all of Inception is a dream.