Christopher Nolan's Inception

[Anita18]

Lol I think I will do it, I know I will get odd looks.

I dont know you just look a bit of a loner when you go by yourself, you have to do the walk of shame past couples and families as well as people with friends. And the worst periods is weekends because everyone is out.

It doesn't bother me because I AM a loner.

You just have to have the confidence that you don't care if you're a loner or not, that's when people think you're cool instead of a loser.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's above MTC, that's all I care about. It beat the RS/MTC "rule" that was almost 100% accurate the rest of the summer.

I would have been so sad if it had gone under $48 million.

Which begs the question, why was MTC so under RS if the rule was almost spot-on the rest of the summer? Inception's only like, one of the most anticipated movies of the summer.

Other tracking was saying 50 to 60mil. The movies opening isn't a surprise one way or the other in my opinion. 80mil would have been a surprise, 60mil although good is not a surprise.

And before some people b**ch about me talking about the boxoffice I know that the most important thing about a film is rather it was good or not. And unlike the other s**tty movies this Summer I actually really liked this one and not in the way I like the Twilight films because this is actually a good movie.

Did it save the Summer? No, nothing could save a Summer in which the pointless Iron Man 2 kicked it off and the uncommonly awful A-Team was released.

 

[Mr.Webs]

It doesn't bother me because I AM a loner.

You just have to have the confidence that you don't care if you're a loner or not, that's when people think you're cool instead of a loser.

[Eastwood]"Exactly."[/Eastwood]

 

[Tron Bonne]

A movie being a flop basically means that it fails to net back its original budget after the film leaves theaters, correct? I always thought that was how a flop was detailed.

The opening is good, but considering the budget, it wasn't as good as I'm sure some were hoping. I guess, like others said, it'll now come down to how much leg power it'll have. It's kind of a long way to go; it'll have to net in $400 million just to be considered successful.

 

[terry78]

While I agree about money not equaling quality, it is naive to think that box office doesn't matter. We're not all sunshine and rainbow puppies up in this *****.

 

[Boom]

It matters if a sequel comes into play, but I don't see this getting a sequel one way or another. Contrary to what Matt thinks, I don't think the ending was meant as a tease for what's to come.

 

[Brother Jack]

It matters if a sequel comes into play, but I don't see this getting a sequel one way or another. Contrary to what Matt thinks, I don't think the ending was meant as a tease for what's to come.

Oh, not at all. I don't really think a sequel could be made, without compromising what was already done.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, the box office doesn't matter if you like a film or not, but I think a lot of people want to see films they enjoy make good money, even if it doesn't change your opinion or views on the film. It's just kind a natural reaction, I think.

 

[Anita18]

Other tracking was saying 50 to 60mil. The movies opening isn't a surprise one way or the other in my opinion. 80mil would have been a surprise, 60mil although good is not a surprise.

The thing about it was that it was all over the place. Some were saying $40s, some were saying $60s. You really couldn't tell until the first numbers started to come in.

[Eastwood]"Exactly."[/Eastwood]

 

[The Guard]

Sorry, but there isn't a "twist" to the ending. The real ending was about Cobb getting over his guilt over what he had done to his own wife. Whether or not Cobb is in his fantasy is immaterial to the story.

Exactly.

It doesn't really matter, and it was never meant to.

The whole point of this film's structure is that it reads like a dream, and can be interpreted any way you want.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Saw it again today...

& I did it as a man.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The thing about it was that it was all over the place. Some were saying $40s, some were saying $60s. You really couldn't tell until the first numbers started to come in.

I entered Boxoffice Guru's predict Inception's weekend boxoffice contest and you know what I predicted? 58.5mil. The movie's opening is not a surprise to me nor do I think that it is a surprise for the studio.

All of the articles talking about better than expected opening weekend are spewing bulls**t that Warner's is peddling. The WB purposefully lowered expectations to 40mil just to get the ridiculous headlines. The fact of the matter is that this movie cost 200mil to make (don't believe that silly 160mil number, studios always say that their movies cost 150 to 160mil) and 100mil to market. It has to (and I think it will) make over 200mil stateside to be considered a success at the boxoffice. I've already said that 60mil is a good number so I'm not backpeddling, I'm simply letting out the truth and the truth is a 60mil opening is not surprising.

Fox tried to pretend that The A-Team had a good opening and that only opened to 26mil and isn't going to hit it's 100mil budget. Studios bulls**t all of the time, don't fall for it.

P.S

Matt, how in the world can you like Iron Man 2 and not like Inception?

 

[Tron Bonne]

All of the articles talking about better than expected opening weekend are spewing bulls**t that Warner's is peddling. The WB purposefully lowered expectations to 40mil just to get the ridiculous headlines. The fact of the matter is that this movie cost 200mil to make (don't believe that silly 160mil number, studios always say that their movies cost 150 to 160mil) and 100mil to market. It has to (and I think it will) make over 200mil stateside to be considered a success at the boxoffice. I've already said that 60mil is a good number so I'm not backpeddling, I'm simply letting out the truth and the truth is a 60mil opening is not surprising.

Wouldn't it have to make well over 200 million to be considered a success, though? Isn't a movie considered successful if it makes at least it's budget back in profit, not just make it back? Am I wrong on what constitutes a success, because that's what I always thought a success was designated as.

 

[Brother Jack]

Saw it again today...

& I did it as a man.

I've heard a second viewing really helps to appreciate it. Did it help you?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No movie would be considered a success if it had to make all of it's money back in theaters. The truth is, these movies are so expensive that most of the profit comes from DVD sales and selling the film to T.V. The movie doesn't have to make 400mil domestically to be considered a success. Hollywood is all a little game.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Bf wanted to go to Pasadena yesterday so we decided to see the film there. There's a new Arclight theater I didn't know about, so I wanted to check it out.

It was $12.50. For a MATINEE on a regular screen. I think I've just seen the most expensive movie theater ever.

It was a nice theater, though. Still!


Keep in mind Avatar also had many many 3-D screens. With regular ticket prices, it would have made $55 million opening weekend, IIRC.

So Inception really made more than Avatar OW.

Of course it's not to say that Inception will be another Avatar. In all likelihood it won't be. It's just to prove how original films don't have big openings. They just don't.

That's California for ya. I wouldn't pay that ****.

How big was the theater and screen?

Yeah, I wante dto mention that Avatar gained more because of the 3D and IMAX prices. But I wasn't really sure how much it would have made without them.

I think the audience dug this film and word of mouth will spread.

 

[stlblues84]

A movie is supposed to make back 1.5 what it cost. Also, a company will often spend about half of the production budget on marketing. So, if the budget was $160mil, then an extra $80mil for marketing, the total budget was around $240mil. 1 1/2 times that it $360mil. Also, keep in mind that companies don't have their own distribution in the United States for a variety of legal reasons. However, those parameters don't exist worldwide. So, if Inception makes $400mil worldwide, it will be a very good success.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No movie would be considered a success if it had to make all of it's money back in theaters. The truth is, these movies are so expensive that most of the profit comes from DVD sales and selling the film to T.V. The movie doesn't have to make 400mil domestically to be considered a success. Hollywood is all a little game.

Yeah, that does make sense I guess.

 

[Dvhyzs]

#3 on the IMDB Top 250? ****ing really?

 

[Anita18]

Wouldn't it have to make well over 200 million to be considered a success, though? Isn't a movie considered successful if it makes at least it's budget back in profit, not just make it back? Am I wrong on what constitutes a success, because that's what I always thought a success was designated as.

Worldwide, I think so.

But worldwide grosses are so hard to predict, that I think many people are just satisfied when a movie makes back its reported production budget domestically. If it makes that AND covers its marketing costs, that's even better. That's why BB was considered a success and SR a disappointment even though both made about the same domestically, because BB cost less than SR.

And although BB was considered a success, it didn't make back its budget in profit at all. Very few movies would, actually. If that were the case, nobody would dare make anything that cost more than $100 million unless it was based off of something else very very VERY popular. Or Twilight movies, because those movies are so cheap to make and bring in some big bank.

 

[Travesty]

I just got done seeing it, and I gotta say, it was one of THE best movies I have ever seen. It was pretty straightforward, but yet, very layered. Everything about this movie just spoke to me. I loved, lovED, LOVED it.

That's about it. Pretty clear cut. The movie was badass, and WILL stand the testaments of time. Bottom line: Go see it now!

 

[Anita18]

That's California for ya. I wouldn't pay that ****.

How big was the theater and screen?

It was a good size. I think it was actually the same size as a LieMAX screen. And the theater was one of the nicest I've been to. They had a little gift shop at the front with books about auteur filmmakers.

The theaters immediately around here are still under $10 for a matinee, it was just that one that threw me for a loop. Maybe Arclight is a super-fancy chain, I'd only heard about the one in downtown LA. I saw a Watchmen screening there and I recall the screen was pretty huge even though it wasn't IMAX.

 

[Caped Crusader]

I've heard a second viewing really helps to appreciate it. Did it help you?

I agree with that statement 110%. It helped me a lot. One of the best films I have ever seen, top 5 in my favorites now

 

[-Arya-]

I wanted to talk about that theory that someone posted from that questionnaire a few pages back. The one saying that

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the whole movie is a dream until the very end. If that means that when they're on the plane it's the first level of Cobb's dream and when they go under they're really in a second dream, where is the kicker for Cobb to wake up in the possible real world in that last scene? It goes from them all waking up on the plane(and according to that theory it's still a dream), Cobb getting his passport approved and meeting up with Caine who takes him to see his kids. How is it possible that when he's seeing his kids in the supposed real world if from the plane, Cobb should technically still be in a dream. Wouldn't there need to have been one more kick waking him up from the dream where he was on the plane?

Yeah, this theory has very little force behind it.

 

[Heretic]

I think it is easy for us to say why can't the the dreamers and manipulators create pot holes in front of the vehicles chasing them or have asteroids fall out of the sky to kill the projections attacking them while Fischer was unconscious in levels 1 and 2. Is that really a basis to ignore the rules established in the movie? Also, it may not have anything to do with Cillian being conscious in the present moment. His subconscious is still aware of anything out of the norm. In the training session, it wasn't because DiCaprio was in person to witness Page's manipulations; his sub conscience was acting independently when it was being threatened by Page. So if you do things like create force fields or make any conspicuous changes in your advantage, maybe the sub conscience will always evolve and counter even harder the more you **** around with it. This is something that can be explored in a sequel. The more you break and bend the rules, the more Agent Smith's come after you.

I guess...

I really think it all comes down to the term "dreamer".

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This is a fake dream being fed into several peoples subconscious at once. While one person may know the layout and plans etc, it is incorrect to label them "the dreamer" because they are all sharing in a manufactured dream. Cillian Murphy was clearly creating projections in level 2, despite Gordon-Levitt being "the dreamer"...and the "dreamer" is the one who's supposed to populate the world, and yet Gordon-Levitt did not. I get why he didn't...his projections would recognize Murphy as an intruder and attack him. However, if the mark has the same ability to project as the dreamer, then the difference is who knows they are dreaming and who doesn't. Therefore, they are all "dreamers" and the person labeled the "dreamer" is actually more of a "controller" or "point man" or whatever.