Christopher Nolan's Inception

[SuperJediHero]

This movie immensely complex. I loved it so much!

It would be nice to spark more discussions about dreams, I think.

Dreams are fascinating!

 

[Anita18]

So I've seen the film the second time, and I have two more things to be clarified:

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1.) Can someome explain the "Mr. Charles" trick to me? How did they turn Fischer's subconscious against him?
2.)It is very clear that Dom and Ariadne were able to access the Limbo through Cobb's dream, and not through killing themselves. How did they do it? Was it because Cobb has already been to Limbo?

I've only seen the film once, and from my understanding,

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the "Mr. Charles" trick is dangerous because you allow the subject to be aware that he is dreaming, but it makes it possible for him to plant his own inception. Cobb convinced Fischer that he is Fischer's head of subconscious security, and that the projections who are really attacking Cobb are extractors trying to get Fischer. Also, that Browning (really Eames) had some information which Fischer could help break into. This is how he voluntarily allows them to hook him up to the machine again to go down to the third level. (He thinks this is a second level, because he doesn't know he's dreaming in the raining level 1 in a van.) He knows this is Eames' dream, but doesn't know that he himself is the subject. He thinks Browning is the subject, but he's actually the subject and he's breaking into his own dream.

I'm still not too sure about your second question.

Some more questions:

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1) how did they move from one level to the other?
2) why did they need to do that anyway?
3) whose dreams were they anyway? Did they bring Fischer into Cobb's, or Arthur's, etc dream, or was it a general dream that they all shared?
4) How was the score?

Man, once you've gotten a taste of some spoilers, you can't help yourself, can you?

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1) They hooked themselves up to the machine again in the dream to go down another level. In order to get out, they need to be simultaneously "kicked" in all the levels.

2) They do this because their reasoning is that pure inspiration is much harder to do that just extraction. For it to take and for the subject to believe it's his own idea, they need to plant it deep enough into his subconscious.

3) Heretic would disagree with you , but there are moments in the film that state/suggest in dialogue whose dream they are in, although they all share the experience together and can project certain things if they can't control it. This is why Mal and Cobb's kids show up all the time no matter whose dream they are in. The dreamer holds the dream together and can change the environment, while the subject is the one who fills it with people.

4) The score is pretty powerful and works well. It didn't really stick out to me otherwise.

 

[raybia]

Oh BS. The Matrix did plenty of both and so did Inception.

Yes it did. Most of it by Morpheus, but also by Smith, Trinity, Cypher, Oracle, and even Neo's boss.

 

[Bunker]

Maaaan. Time is one of the best tracks Zimmer has ever composed. It's not as good as Journey to the Line from The Thin Red Line, but it's close.

 

[Solidus]

Yea Matrix had tons of exposition the entire film.

And I agree Bunker, this was a great score from Zimmer.

 

[SuperJediHero]

My next viewing I will pay MORE attention to all the people staring, I dunno, but I have a feeling they maybe important? It's kinda creepy all these people stare at you!


But anyone already noticed anything unusual about these starers?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Thanks for the replies guys!!! I really appreciate it. I added another question in that post of mine but it seems i was too late. So:

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What was the point of convincing Fischer that his father was proud of him? How could that make him destroy his company?

I'm still not too sure about your second question.

Its Nolan's fault for not releasing it everywhere simultaneously! I'm still going to watch it when it opens here though.

 

[Ziggyman]

Can someone clarify just a few things for me...to make sure if we all on same page...?

You can base it on any theory you want...

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Why was it so important to find Saito at the end...? Was to remind him to make the call...or was it for both of them to realize they were in limbo...and...when Fischer is dying, and Cobb and Ariadne try to fetch him through Cobb's dream (4th level of which is filled with Cobb's sub-con and architecture)...how is the kick received through Fischer? (the de-fibulator)

 

[spider-neil]

one thing no can argue about, the score. the horns from hans zimmer were amazing.

 

[Mr. Earle]

one thing no can argue about, the score. the horns from hans zimmer were amazing.

BRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNN !!! t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Can someone clarify just a few things for me...to make sure if we all on same page...?

You can base it on any theory you want...

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Why was it so important to find Saito at the end...? Was to remind him to make the call...or was it for both of them to realize they were in limbo...and...when Fischer is dying, and Cobb and Ariadne try to fetch him through Cobb's dream (4th level of which is filled with Cobb's sub-con and architecture)...how is the kick received through Fischer? (the de-fibulator)

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Cobb wants to find Saito because he feels guilty at not having been honest with everyone about how dangerous Inception was, he's basically trying to undo what he had done, much like his final scene with Mal was his closure to the mess he'd help create. I'm not sure what you mean with the second question, the kick in limbo is received by Ariadne and Fisher both falling off the balcony, then they wake up in level 3 and the kick there is caused by the base collapsing from the explosive Eames set.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Who here thought Level 3 was essentially METAL GEAR SOLID?
Level 2 and even the first few minutes reminded me of HITMAN

Oh and HEAVY RAIN... haha

 

[flickchick85]

Thanks for the replies guys!!! I really appreciate it. I added another question in that post of mine but it seems i was too late. So:

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What was the point of convincing Fischer that his father was proud of him? How could that make him destroy his company?

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Actually, what they needed to convince him of was that his father wanted him to forge out on his own, and be his own man. Create something of his own. They thought the inception would be more powerful (and more likely to stick) if they tied the idea (dissolving the empire) to positive feelings of his father ("I want him to be proud") rather than negative (like "sticking it to the old man" or something).

 

[Mr. Earle]

OP of a thread from 4chan's movie board:

Best Moments

>1. Hallway Fight Scene with BRRRRRMM
>2. Synchronized Kicks with BRRRRRMM
>3. Mombassa Chase with BRRRRMMM
>4. Cobb infiltrating Saito's dream
>5. Eames on the snow
>9001. Ariadne infiltrating Cobb's dream

Character rankings
>1. Arthur
>2. Eames
>3. Cobb
>4. Fischer
>5. Ariadne
>6. Saito
>7. Mal
>8. Yussuf
>9001. Browning


Also, let us discuss how much BRRRMMM really made the intensity of the movie.

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Actually, what they needed to convince him of was that his father wanted him to forge out on his own, and be his own man. Create something of his own. They thought the inception would be more powerful (and more likely to stick) if they tied the idea (dissolving the empire) to positive feelings of his father ("I want him to be proud") rather than negative (like "sticking it to the old man" or something).

Thanks a lot!!! t:

 

[spider-neil]

matrix exposition

visual;
* woman in the red dress - agents can assume any perform wired into the matrix
* the desert of the real - the world as it is today
* the dojo - fighting technique
* the sewers - the sentinals

verbal;
the first 'one' mopheus to neo
run when you see an agent - cypher to neo
you'll have to make a choice - the oracle to neo


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okay I admit there was a LOT of exposition in the matrix but I still feel there was more character developement for neo, trinity and morpheus.
they say the best stories are when the character goes on a journey (metaphorical) starting in one place an ending in another a changed person. example; neo, completely different person at the end of the matrix than he was at the start.

who went on a journey in inception other than cobb and maybe ariadne?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

What can I say about this movie that has not already been said? Loved it, loved it, loved it! I saw it 3 times(first time regular theater, last two times in IMAX) and it got better each time. It went from great to amazing to one of my favorite films of all time.

Entire cast was great and I love how well dressed everyone was. t: And the score by Zimmer, fantastic stuff.

Nolan does it again.

10/10

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ok, i dont know about Inception, but the exposition in the Matrix was pretty awesome. They made it so that you were craving for all this info and then they showed you most of the stuff, the fake world, the training, the real world robots and man-batteries, etc. It was all really cool and never got tiresome imho.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

If my second question is answered then everything will be clear to me!!!

 

[Ziggyman]

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Is level 4...Cobb's dream or limbo? I thought it was clearly Cobb's dream filled with Cobb's architecture (which is the limbo that he and Mal experienced) and filled with Cobb's sub-con...

 

[Bunker]

My next viewing I will pay MORE attention to all the people staring, I dunno, but I have a feeling they maybe important? It's kinda creepy all these people stare at you!


But anyone already noticed anything unusual about these starers?

Yeah, of all the things to watch for your second time, pay more attention to one of the things that was actually explained thoroughly.

 

[Evil Twin]

This movie immensely complex. I loved it so much!

It would be nice to spark more discussions about dreams, I think.

Dreams are fascinating!

Dreams are fascinating, but I don't think INCEPTION ultimately has much to say about dreams. About psychology, sure. But Nolan's "dreams" aren't much like real dreams. Not in the way that Gilliam, Lynch, or Cocteau could capture.

I'd argue that Nolan's dreams are more about Nolan commenting on cinema than on dreams. I think it's perhaps best to think of the layers as cinema as shared dreams.

 

[Anita18]

okay I admit there was a LOT of exposition in the matrix but I still feel there was more character developement for neo, trinity and morpheus.
they say the best stories are when the character goes on a journey (metaphorical) starting in one place an ending in another a changed person. example; neo, completely different person at the end of the matrix than he was at the start.

who went on a journey in inception other than cobb and maybe ariadne?

It was Cobb's journey because it is Cobb's story. Nobody elsess, that's why nobody else gets a character arc.

It's like Memento in that way. It's certainly not like Heat, it's not like The Matrix, it's not TDK, and it's not even like The Prestige.

Entire cast was great and I love how well dressed everyone was. t:

On the gossip blog ONTD, the girls are discussing who they wanted to sleep with. One of the better replies was, "I couldn't decide between JGL or Tom Hardy, so I decided both at the same time. t: "



This is how I'm getting my sister to see Inception. "You like hot guys in suits!"

 

[terry78]

Every girl's crazy bout a sharp dressed man.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Who here thought Level 3 was essentially METAL GEAR SOLID?
Level 2 and even the first few minutes reminded me of HITMAN

Oh and HEAVY RAIN... haha

The snow base reminded me of the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The first part at the pary in the tuxedos with the silenced pistol reminded me of Bond as well.

matrix exposition

visual;
* woman in the red dress - agents can assume any perform wired into the matrix
* the desert of the real - the world as it is today
* the dojo - fighting technique
* the sewers - the sentinals

verbal;
the first 'one' mopheus to neo
run when you see an agent - cypher to neo
you'll have to make a choice - the oracle to neo


-----

okay I admit there was a LOT of exposition in the matrix but I still feel there was more character developement for neo, trinity and morpheus.
they say the best stories are when the character goes on a journey (metaphorical) starting in one place an ending in another a changed person. example; neo, completely different person at the end of the matrix than he was at the start.

who went on a journey in inception other than cobb and maybe ariadne?

I don't think Trinity or Morpheus changed much by the end of The Matrix as both believed Neo was the one and Trinity believed she'd fall in love with The One and by the end they both believed they had been proved right.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

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Is level 4...Cobb's dream or limbo? I thought it was clearly Cobb's dream filled with Cobb's architecture (which is the limbo that he and Mal experienced) and filled with Cobb's sub-con...

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Cobb's own dream world. But since it was beyond level 3, it was Limbo and that's how Cobb finds Saito there.