Christopher Nolan's Inception

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Anita18 said:
No. It's just that when she shows up,
**** hits the fan. Kinda like the Joker without makeup. :funny:
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haha exactly...She was great in this movie.
The collective gasp from the audience when she came down from the duct was great


Well, Im planning on seeing this a 4th and 5th time with the gf soon...She hasnt seen it so it yet so it should be interesting explaning this to her.

For those who are discussing soundtrack. I love the Journey to the line music that Hans did, but man there are some epic soundtracks on this...I suggest people going on youtube to look it up.

But this one hit the spot and just forced me to completely enjoy the film even more
Played during Level 3 when Fischer opens the safe scene



Other great soundtracks:
Time (1A to either Dream is collapsing or 528491)
Dream is Collapsing (my personal fav)
Dream within a Dream
Paradox
 
DarKJediKnight said:
Ahh... it's starting to get clear to me now.
When Fischer was shot, he wasn't dead yet, thus the defib. They got into Fischer's or Cobb's dreams, whatever it was, and not into limbo, and they've taken along Cobb's subconscious which is represented by Mal. It was when Cobb got killed in Level 1 that he got to Saito's Limbo. I've only got confused because Cobb's dream is the same with his limbo.
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Exactly. Only way to get to limbo was if you died and your real body was under heavy sedation. Anything else is just going down into another level of someone's dreams/subconscious.
 

This song plays everytime I kick someone's ass on the ceiling
 
^ Actually I've edited my post from which your quote comes from, since I've realized that the 4th level is clearly Cobb's dream. Meaning he's the host, as well as its architect, and that's why it's the same with his and Mal's limbo. The same with every level, Fischer is still the Mark, so Fischer's unconscious state is in there, it's just he can't fill it with his projections, maybe because he's dying. So clearly level 4 is not Limbo. It's Cobb's dream, he's the host/dreamer, whatever Heretic wants to call it.
 
Solidus said:
I said the same thing pages back.

Ariadne designs the dreams, and feeds them while designing them with the "hosts". She feeds them into them practicing. Then when the heist starts the architect is not required. She was not suppose to go but begged to because of Mal/Cobb ordeal.

And we were not getting hung up on names. But I never thought the name mattered. If it does to you that's fine. I don't mind what it's called but Anita and I and some others were saying exactly what that post said about the Host.

But maybe our communication was just not the best I dunno.
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The thing is that we ALL need to admit...EVERY ONE OF US...that we don't KNOW what is going on. We have theories...

For instance, Gordon Levitt is the dreamer in level 2. It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world. He does NOT populate level 2...Murphy does (Murphy populates all of them). CLEARLY the mark has the ability to populate as well. It is best to allow the mark to do this, so that Gordon-Levitt doesnt have a thousand people chasing after Murphy...heck, if everyone populated the dream with projections, everyone would be ripped to shreds. So...it is the dreamers JOB to populate, unless there's a mark involved in the dream. Others potentially COULD do it...we dont really know for sure, but there doesnt seem to be anything stopping them according to the science in the film.

So, whereas some of you want to give a certain amount of power to the dreamer, I merely contend that his extra power is limited only to his job title, and his knowledge of the world. A Burger King cashier COULD make fries...but that isnt their job...and the fry cook probably knows the layout of the freezer better. It's semantics...

For instance, there could be two people who are quite skilled at forgery. However, when they enter the dream, one person's JOB is to be the forger...so two people aren't pulling the same stunts and getting things confused. My point is that the "dreamer" doesnt have special powers...he just has a task assigned to him. The dream isn't literally in his head...it's in the shared consciousness of everyone.

The movie is a bit confused on the subject, because Saito seemed to think that they were actually breaking into HIS dream...when in reality he was a part of a shared dream. It probably is not even possible in the Inception world to break into someone dream unless they are attached to the device. The dream belongs to the Architect really, fed into the system. Therefore, no one is technically the "dreamer". That term...to me anyway...implies that it is possible to enter a person's dreams, and it is not. The only way to do it is to be hooked up to the machine and sharing a dream that the architect built for everyone.
 
Ziggyman said:
See I think this seems wrong...

Wouldn't it make more sense if the 4th level was Fischer's dream world with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...and since Fischer is just only dying and hasn't yet...the defibrilator acts as the kick so he and Ariadne leave...Cobb then dies because of either Mal's attack or the van...and then he is officially sent off to limbo...that's why he ends up in the water again...by Saito...this also expalins how he's young during this scene...
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I still think I have something with this...^
 
Solidus said:
LOL, doubt it but would be interesting to see that demographic watching this movie. What is their demographic like 10 year old girls? lol.
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Hehehe. I'd say about 8 - 15 years old covers the majority of their demo. Interestingly enough, I spoke to my buddy a little while ago and he went to see it with his family. His little sister, Jonas Brother fan and all, thought it was amazing and loved every second of it. She can't wait to see it again. Just goes to show that stereotypes are meant to be broken. :woot:
 
DarKJediKnight said:
^ Actually I've edited my post from which your quote comes from, since I've realized that the 4th level is clearly Cobb's dream. Meaning he's the host, as well as its architect, and that's why it's the same with his and Mal's limbo. The same with every level, Fischer is still the Mark, so Fischer's unconscious state is in there, it's just he can't fill it with his projections, maybe because he's dying. So clearly level 4 is not Limbo. It's Cobb's dream, he's the host/dreamer, whatever Heretic wants to call it.
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I realized that right after I posted but it doesn't really matter because in your original post you pretty much had it right anyways.
 
Heretic said:
The thing is that we ALL need to admit...EVERY ONE OF US...that we don't KNOW what is going on. We have theories...

For instance, Gordon Levitt is the dreamer in level 2. It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world. He does NOT populate level 2...Murphy does (Murphy populates all of them). CLEARLY the mark has the ability to populate as well. It is best to allow the mark to do this, so that Gordon-Levitt doesnt have a thousand people chasing after Murphy...heck, if everyone populated the dream with projections, everyone would be ripped to shreds. So...it is the dreamers JOB to populate, unless there's a mark involved in the dream. Others potentially COULD do it...we dont really know for sure, but there doesnt seem to be anything stopping them according to the science in the film.

So, whereas some of you want to give a certain amount of power to the dreamer, I merely contend that his extra power is limited only to his job title, and his knowledge of the world. A Burger King cashier COULD make fries...but that isnt their job...and the fry cook probably knows the layout of the freezer better. It's semantics...

For instance, there could be two people who are quite skilled at forgery. However, when they enter the dream, one person's JOB is to be the forger...so two people aren't pulling the same stunts and getting things confused. My point is that the "dreamer" doesnt have special powers...he just has a task assigned to him. The dream isn't literally in his head...it's in the shared consciousness of everyone.

The movie is a bit confused on the subject, because Saito seemed to think that they were actually breaking into HIS dream...when in reality he was a part of a shared dream. It probably is not even possible in the Inception world to break into someone dream unless they are attached to the device. The dream belongs to the Architect really, fed into the system. Therefore, no one is technically the "dreamer". That term...to me anyway...implies that it is possible to enter a person's dreams, and it is not. The only way to do it is to be hooked up to the machine and sharing a dream that the architect built for everyone.
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"It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world." No, it states that the TARGET populates the dream. Look at the cafe scene. They were in Ariadne's dream, but Cobb was populating it.
 
Ziggyman said:
I still think I have something with this...^
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See my post above, I've got it all figured out.

In the 4th level, Fischer is still the Mark. Cobb is the host and the dreamer, but he was also it's architect. We got it confused with Limbo because they look the same since Cobb built his own world within the Limbo. Fischer as a Mark can't fill it with his projections because of (either of these reasons): a.) he's dying; b.) Mal (as Cobb's subconscious) has captured Fischer's unconscious self.
 
The Squirrel said:
"It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world." No, it states that the TARGET populates the dream. Look at the cafe scene. They were in Ariadne's dream, but Cobb was populating it.
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Yes thank you.

There is a lot of theories, but a lot these rules are the rules of the dreamworld are pretty much set one way. But I think I'm off for the night. Can't stay up as late as I did last night lol.
 
Honestly guys, all your theories are futile in a final analysis. I'll tell you why....

In the end, Cobb is happy and that's all that matters.
 
I don't know if I should ask this in here due to a possible bias but how well does the Inception soundtrack hold up just listening to it outside of the film? For me a lot of film soundtracks are great when watching the film but listening to the actual album just doesn't work for me at times. For those that also liked the soundtracks to BB and TDK, how would you rate it alongside those?
 
I see Heretic is still going on with questions over each explanation...
 
Figs said:
I don't know if I should ask this in here due to a possible bias but how well does the Inception soundtrack hold up just listening to it outside of the film? For me a lot of film soundtracks are great when watching the film but listening to the actual album just doesn't work for me at times. For those that also liked the soundtracks to BB and TDK, how would you rate it alongside those?
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Honestly the only soundtracks I've ever been into was TDK but IMO Inception soundtrack is better then TDK. I've been listening to it in the car over the weekend and it makes me feel like I'm actually involved in the movie or just reignites my mind of what happen in the movie.
 
VRICH said:
I wonder.. If Heath were still alive, if he would have a spot in this film
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Nolan had Eames's role in mind for Heath...It would have been a great role for him...However, Hardy did a great job
 
Figs said:
I don't know if I should ask this in here due to a possible bias but how well does the Inception soundtrack hold up just listening to it outside of the film? For me a lot of film soundtracks are great when watching the film but listening to the actual album just doesn't work for me at times. For those that also liked the soundtracks to BB and TDK, how would you rate it alongside those?
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I can't stop listening to it. There are few tracks that I'll skip over, but for the most part, I love it. Truly a great score. Works just as well on its own as it does in the film. And it's tough to compare it to the BB and TDK scores. There are tracks from each that I'd rate above one another, but I try not to compare. For example, "Time" from Inception is the most epic track of all three scores, whereas "Aggressive Expansion" from TDK never fails to get my blood pumping. Just my 2 cents. :)
 
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