It wasn't a career nomination. It was a nomination for BB. It was an academy type movie that had revolutionary make-up effects. This is why it got nominated by the academy while Zodiac didn't. Zodiac is easily a better movie, but it wasn't an academy movie.
So let me see if I get this. Saito only died in Level 3 because he died in Level One (you cease to exist in a level when he die in the previous one). This is why he ended up in a separate limbo from Fischer - who only died in the third level.
Cobb got to this "second" limbo by drowning in the van. But since Saito died before Cobb in Level One, he appears decades older in limbo.
I was thinking that Inception would be used in classrooms in the future as well. Right when I left the theater in fact.
And I think Crook is onto something with the title appearing three times. The title appears with the cut to black, before the introduction to the cast, and then at the very end of the credits. Now Nolan says he puts the titles at the end because ti means something. Like BB and TDK. With BB, at the end with the title showing up, it was literally Batman beginning and his career. Not in the beginning of the film where he's just Bruce Wayne. With TDK, he has no been called a dark knight because of his actions which led up to him being called that. Now with Inception it could mean that one theory with Cobb and the three levels of the dream state. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Most of Inception is dreams in a flashback form!!!
Cobb is in a dream with an old Saito,after he stops talking to him,he has a long ass flashback,he had no sedatives or dream machine to use,Yusif wasn't in it. He thought of previous dreams wether he dreamed them or not,after the flashback is done,him and an old Saito kill themselves off screen. Which leads to Cobb,Saito,and the team leaving the airplane and airport. Cobb goes home,and finally sees his kids faces. It was only in the dreams in flashback form that he had issues with his wife and that he had an issue with controlling his subconscious and that he couldn't go home or see his kids faces,in the real world he is fine minus him having a dead wife. I think the totem was going to stop spinning,it sounded like it was going to make a stopping noise,it stops spinning after the movie ends. Cobb didn't know the team or Saito on the airplane before the dream,they just dreamed normal like us,there was no dream machine,and no sedatives,and no Yusif.
DREAM(COBB AND AN OLD SAITO)->FLASH BACK OF DREAMS(COBB)->BACK TO THE ONLY DREAM(WITH COBB AND AN OLD SAITO)->REALITY
A Clockwork Orange got nominated because it was a Stanley Kubrick film. As did 2001: A Space Oddyssey, but neither of these films won. But, looking at the films they were up against, I say they were better. Again, showing the academy has a bias against these type of films. Even when they get a nom, they have no chance, and these are 2 of the only exceptions ever in the 80+ year history of the academy. They are exceptions to the rule.
Star Wars got a nom because it was the Titanic of that era. However, Titanic was actually able to win the award. Even look at Avatar. It got a BP nom on effects alone. But, it had no chance to win. They didn't even award it a Screenplay nom.
Due to the kids being older on the phone then they are in his memory and seeing them at the end unchanged and still young, i think its safe to say that he was dreaming. Which makes this film a ****ing tragedy haha.
Due to the kids being older on the phone then they are in his memory and seeing them at the end unchanged and still young, i think its safe to say that he was dreaming. Which makes this film a ****ing tragedy haha.
It lends itself to that theory very strongly, no doubt. I'll have to see it again, but I'm pretty sure I heard 3 voices. 2 of which were supposed to be the girl, only one was young, the other was older.
I looked around the audience to see if I was the only one that noticed.
I don't agree with his assessment that the film's [blackout]reality definitely is a dream[/blackout]. But I'm starting to agree that Inception is a metaphor for cinema itself, and that it doesn't matter at all what the ending suggests.
It's an artistic statement by Nolan to reinforce that metaphor.
What you're seeing is not real, because it's a movie. It's a nudge for the audience.
Too bad a lot of people are interpreting that ending as a cop-out twist instead.
This one is even more ambiguous. I don't think any of us will ever truly know for sure. We can think one way or the other, but Nolan doesn't give enough to either side of the argument to disprove the other side of the argument. He gives just enough proof to each side of it that both can be argued in a convincing way, but neither are certain. F**king brilliant.
What's brilliant is that it's so ambiguous and as much of an artistic statement as a story point, I don't think even Nolan knows one way or another.
I've actually inadvertently done the same myself, for visual art. Some people completely interpreted my stuff in a way I had not expected at all. It was deeper than I had ever anticipated, so I welcomed the discussion, and the assumptions that I was more clever than I seemed.
I did always think there was a certain dreamlike quality about the Mombasa scene with the faceless goons and Saito just happening to show up. Same with the closing scenes that were indeed edited in a very "dreamlike" way
I think it is the ambiguity of the ending that makes people discuss it endlessly. And by cutting the film just before the top topples over or stays spinning, Nolan is encouraging this kind of discussion which he knew will inevitable happen. The ending is also tied up to the rest of the movie, and whether it supports the theory that everything else was a dream, or not.
I think people just want to know what happens to the characters, [blackout]whether an ending is actually meant to be ambiguous or not.[/blackout]
I remember for the figure skating forum that I go to, the pages and pages AND PAGES of arguments (that got pretty personal ) that went back and forth over whether Will and Elizabeth end up together at the conclusion (post-credits) of the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie. People just want to know this stuff, and I do think Nolan is commenting on that urge with this film.
The point of all of the films is completely not the same at all, although they do share some basic ideas and premises. I think the most prominent one is The Matrix, where [blackout]questioning your reality[/blackout] is a major aspect of both films.
The jacking in and changing your environment part is pretty superficial. People who think it's a ripoff for using those tools are just nitpicking for details.
But your brain can still be alive, definitely. If enough time passes where they can't get his heart going, they're going to assume he's brain dead and it's really too late.
I think that's what they were counting on, because if his brain was alive, they could still jack into another dream with him.
Due to the kids being older on the phone then they are in his memory and seeing them at the end unchanged and still young, i think its safe to say that he was dreaming. Which makes this film a ****ing tragedy haha.
As for the kid's voice on the phone,it was nothing but Cobb just dreaming of one of his kids being older than they actually are in reality,as always, dreams don't always exactly reflect our reality. Imo that is.
#movienews #boxoffice Inception weekend final: $62,785,337. Fri $21,782,199. Sat $21,791,608. Sun $19,211,530. Great hold on Sunday!
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Ariadne and Cobb go into Limbo to get Fischer. When Mal and Cobb forgot they were dreaming, that was limbo. Cobb says so when he and Ariadne get there. Also, Cobb doesn't magically appear on the beach. He drowns in the first level of the dream and since he's under heavy sedation, he's sent to limbo and all the following "Cobb"s cease to exist. But I see you've said this. Ariadne says in the warehouse that anyone who dies would go to the limbo of the person who's been there (Cobb) so they all end up in Cobb's limbo.
Yeah, we're on the same page about when he drowns and is sent to limbo but as you said in the beginning of your post, Ariadne and him go into limbo to get Fischer. So since he's already in limbo, when he drowns, he gets sent to limbo but in a different area where Saito has recreated his house or a different limbo overall?
I ask because from everything i've read about limbo in the past with other stories and even the bible, there is only one limbo, one big area of dead space. When they say whoever dies will end up in Cobb's limbo, that's because he was the first one in limbo(which technically is the same shared space for anyone and everyone)and they refer to it as his simply because he was the first one to populate it. If there is a different possible limbo inside each person's head then that would mean when Cobb and Ariadne went in to get Fischer, they were inside Cobb's head correct? How would he get inside Saito's head later when he dies in the van instead of his own limbo then? That would lead me to believe what I previously said that there is only 1 limbo that everyone would share regardless.
When Cobb and Ariadne go after Fischer, they're going down another level. Most people did see it as limbo, but that doesn't explain why they'd need to use the machine to follow Fischer. Also, Saito dying in the snow level put him in limbo. Which explains why he went somewhere else, while Ariadne and Cobb went elsewhere. Once Fischer and Ariadne escape, that's when Mal stabs Cobb. His other bodies are dead from the multiple kickers, and his body in level 1 is dying from drowning. Coupled with being so deep already, the stabbing instead sends him to limbo...which is where Saito has been all along. Due to arriving there earlier, and with the whole time distortion, Saito has been there for decades, whereas Cobb just arrives. Explaining why he's still young.
See that's where I stand for the most part. That they wouldn't need the machine to get to limbo and that they explained earlier in the film the only way to reach limbo is to die when they're heavily sedated. With that being said, then how were Cobb and Mal stuck in limbo 'til they got old when they never died under sedation to get there?? Cobb said he kept pushing Mal to go further into the subconscious and they ended up many levels into it and simply forgot over time they were still dreaming, that's when they killed themselves and woke up, so how was that limbo? Unless limbo can also be considered when you accept the dream as reality and limbo is basically an area you are stuck in. Only possibility is if that's true and limbo can be referred to not just as a void but any level of a dream where you get stuck because you think it's reality.
When you refer to him drowning and going to limbo where Saito has been all along, that would mean the possibility that I said above is wrong and there is in fact only 1 limbo where everyone would go to correct? If that's true and my little theory is incorrect. Why was it considered limbo when Cobb and Mal grew old together rather than being just a low level in their subconcious since they didn't die to get there and that for the most part was explained as the only way to reach limbo.
That was one of the things I did understand from first viewing in regards to Cobb still being young in limbo. Saito died way earlier so that makes sense.
The ending I don't think has a definitive answer. This is like Pan's Labirynth, you aren't told what happened. It is for you to decide. Even if Nolan told me how he interpreted it, I wouldn't 100% say that is what happened. He filmed it in such a way that we are to decide for ourselves, and he gave clues each way.
lol I want to read peoples opinions but it gives me a headache....just so happy everyone loves the movie and I hope everyone gives money to this and at least AT LEAST see it twice
#movienews #boxoffice Inception weekend final: $62,785,337. Fri $21,782,199. Sat $21,791,608. Sun $19,211,530. Great hold on Sunday!
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My audience let out a very loud (and uniform) "Awwwwww!" when they cut to the credits with Cobbs piece still spinning and possibly beginning to topple.
THEN afterwards, seriously, EVERYONE was talking about it. Groups of teenagers, grown ups, I overheard one guy say, "Man, this is complicated." and even I had to get some clarification from my cousins, lol.
Just shows how good a movie it was when you got everyone trying to figure it out afterwards.
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