BvS City Battles in BVS.

[WBwins]

How do you feel about this movie possibly having superhero battles in cities?Bearing in mind the reaction to Metropolis fight in the last movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

Giant city fights aren't the problem. Ignoring the immense devastation and loss of human life by quickly cutting to a scene of superman smarting off to a general was what rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

 

[Bwahaha!]

How do you feel about this movie possibly having superhero battles in cities?Bearing in mind the reaction to Metropolis fight in the last movie.

Not a problem if the characters just say funny quips as untold numbers of innocents are being slaughtered. Quips make everything fun!

 

[Nemeres]

Giant city fights aren't the problem. Ignoring the immense devastation and loss of human life by quickly cutting to a scene of superman smarting off to a general was what rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

That's pretty much it. People love devastation and wouldn't have had a problem with the entire city being obliterated if only it'd had two seconds of Superman coming down and saving a citizen or two. If BVS does that - which I suspect it will do plenty of, to compensate - there won't be a problem.

 

[DeadPresident]

We all know this movie is about seeing Batman and Superman killing as many civilians as possible, right?

 

[Flint Marko]

Not a problem if the characters just say funny quips as untold numbers of innocents are being slaughtered. Quips make everything fun!

If you address the devastation and loss in some form or fashion (like instructing those involved to keep it within a three block radius, or a candle-light vigil/monument honoring the dead after its all over), you're free to show as much calamity as you want without anyone complaining.

 

[Bwahaha!]

If you address the devastation and loss in some form or fashion (like instructing those involved to keep it within a three block radius, or a candle-light vigil/monument honoring the dead after its all over), you're free to show as much calamity as you want without anyone complaining.

I woulda loved to hear someone telling Superman, an untested brand new hero, to keep Zod and all those other Kryptonians in a three-block radius. LOL.

A candlelight vigil would've been great in MOS. I think we'll get something like that in BvS. Which may have been Snyder's original intention. Create controversy with MOS, and then address it in BvS.

 

[DeadPresident]

People will, with some merit, call responding to MoS's events in BvS bad film making.

 

[Zionite1]

People will, with some merit, call responding to MoS's events in BvS bad film making.

Not just bad-horrible.
I mean think about it.All Snyder needed was to put in a short memorial/metropolis rebuilding scene and all this complaints would have been avoided.ONE scene.

this is why I'm glad for Affleck.To help with certain basic storytelling skills Snyder clearly lacks

 

[Rorschach2012]

Not just bad-horrible.
I mean think about it.All Snyder needed was to put in a short memorial/metropolis rebuilding scene and all this complaints would have been avoided.ONE scene.

this is why I'm glad for Affleck.To help with certain basic storytelling skills Snyder clearly lacks

smh i completely disagree

the fights in MOS were perfect

 

[Zionite1]

smh i completely disagree

the fights in MOS were perfect

Not complaining about the fights.Was complaining about the absence of a proprietress resolution

 

[blumatic]

Not just bad-horrible.
I mean think about it.All Snyder needed was to put in a short memorial/metropolis rebuilding scene and all this complaints would have been avoided.ONE scene.

this is why I'm glad for Affleck.To help with certain basic storytelling skills Snyder clearly lacks

I disagree as well. I mean will we call Captain America Civil War terrible if the used the events in Age of Ultron. We all know Civil War starts with calmity. Age of Ultron seems to be headed that way.

I doubt people will call it bad film making. I think it's brilliant you can improve the outlook of a past film with a new one.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Not complaining about the fights.Was complaining about the absence of a proprietress resolution

Nah the movie was perfectly fine without such a scene. People treated MOS so unfairly, i think it's nearly perfect

 

[InJustice]

this is why I'm glad for Affleck.To help with certain basic storytelling skills Snyder clearly lacks

And we STILL don't even know whether Affleck had an expanded role besides just being an actor. Why even make a baseless comment like this?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

the recklessness in the fight against zod really set up for a cool story arc in BvS

But I'm sure Supes will be a little more experience this time around, he was only superman for less than a week when the fight with zod happened.

 

[Rorschach2012]

And we STILL don't even know whether Affleck had an expanded role besides just being an actor. Why even make a baseless comment like this?

it's generally agreed upon that Affleck has a pretty big say. He brought HIS guy to rewrite the script. Affleck is one of the most critically acclaimed directors right now, you can bet that he has some degree of control over the DCCU.

Affleck, Snyder, Terrio, with Goyer as an ideas guy.

 

[Mad Love]

Other movies had several big city fights but somehow there's 0 causalities and injuries. And, audiences don't think twice because the endings are cheery.

DC isn't afraid to show it more realistic, but I agree that they should balance the devastation with the right emotions: a sense of loss, renewal, unity, etc. Of course, the heroes should always be trying to save lives.

 

[Nemeres]

Nah the movie was perfectly fine without such a scene. People treated MOS so unfairly, i think it's nearly perfect

It it'd had such a scene, or some form of acknowledgment, the fights would have still been there, but the common complaint would not. Would have been a win-win. Less dissatisfaction. So it wasn't perfectly fine.

 

[Jekecy]

Nah the movie was perfectly fine without such a scene. People treated MOS so unfairly, i think it's nearly perfect

Unfair would be an inaccurate term for the criticisms, I feel. People were perfectly ready to be completely on-board with this reboot, as evidenced by the insane pre-hype all across the board.

Some things just didn't hit. At least as well as they could have.

 

[Flint Marko]

I woulda loved to hear someone telling Superman, an untested brand new hero, to keep Zod and all those other Kryptonians in a three-block radius. LOL.

At the very least they could have shown him display sort of regard or effort to help keep the collateral damage to a minimal. The most we got was him catching a pilot and setting him on the ground. All we got other than that was "PUNCHPUNCHPUNCHYOU'REAMONSTERZODPUNCH".

A candlelight vigil would've been great in MOS. I think we'll get something like that in BvS. Which may have been Snyder's original intention. Create controversy with MOS, and then address it in BvS.

Even if that was their intention (which I think is giving them to much credit) that isn't an example good film making. They should have at least touched on it ever so briefly, but they didn't.
Plus, Snyder's original intentions don't really matter that much anymore now that we are getting a JL prequel instead of MoS 2, which was his original plan.

Nah the movie was perfectly fine without such a scene. People treated MOS so unfairly, i think it's nearly perfect

No, it definitely needed some sort of scene to show the fallout of such a catastrophic fight. That would've quieted a lot of the criticisms the film receives. I get that you enjoyed the film but to pretend that it's being judged so harshly simply because we are holding it to an unfair standard, rather than that it was a deeply flawed movie, is you believing what you want to believe.

It it'd had such a scene, or some form of acknowledgment, the fights would have still been there, but the common complaint would not. Would have been a win-win. Less dissatisfaction. So it wasn't perfectly fine.

Other movies had several big city fights but somehow there's 0 causalities and injuries. And, audiences don't think twice because the endings are cheery.

DC isn't afraid to show it more realistic, but I agree that they should balance the devastation with the right emotions: a sense of loss, renewal, unity, etc. Of course, the heroes should always be trying to save lives.

Displaying the realistic side of these larger-than-life, bombastic fights is all well and good but it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day if you don't actually address it or show the consequences. Good idea, horrible execution.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I liked the film, and I still agree something was missing at the end. It didn't help that the climax didn't feel like a climax, and it was cut short.

Something cool would've been Superman stepping out of the train station, realizing how much damage has been caused and how many lives he failed to save. He thinks he's failed and, for a moment, decides to flee, afraid of what people will think of him.

But he remembers Pa Kent's words about "standing proud in front of the human race" and decides to stay, and what would follow is a montage of Superman helping and directing medical teams and fire trucks, helping construction teams rebuild, and news reports covering his efforts. Slowly, we see Metropolis become whole again. And as things get brighter, segue into the scene with Swanwick.

Something like that would've been an uplifting way to conclude it. It's a rare thing to see superheroes help civilians pick up the mess - The Avengers sure has hell didn't. Seeing Superman do something like that would be great in BvS.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Even if that was their intention (which I think is giving them to much credit) that isn't an example good film making. They should have at least touched on it ever so briefly, but they didn't. Plus, Snyder's original intentions don't really matter that much anymore now that we are getting a JL prequel instead of MoS 2, which was his original plan.

If MOS2 was the original plan, which I believe it was, then Snyder still could have planned on addressing the collateral damage in MOS2, instead of BvS.

Who knows what the Snyder's intention was? Nobody on these boards. But controversy creates interest. And to have fans STILL talking passionately on both sides about a superhero movie from last year means Snyder won, even if he didn't plan it this way.

And yes, I def believe that the fun comedic light tone over at Marvel (movies I love, btw) prevented a similar backlash for Marvel movies. Quips keep even the darkest hour fun!

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

If you address the devastation and loss in some form or fashion (like instructing those involved to keep it within a three block radius, or a candle-light vigil/monument honoring the dead after its all over), you're free to show as much calamity as you want without anyone complaining.

i don't diasgree with this because that's the one thing that bothered me about the movie.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Meh...

Most of the distruction was caused by what Zod was doing and not Superman yet everyone sees it the other way around.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I still don't get why MoS is like the one movie that needs to address the destruction. I can't think of any other CBM that's done that. Is it because they showed people being happy a couple of scenes later? I guess it's crazy to imagine that people could be happy months after a disaster. Maybe Snyder would've been better off just cutting to Superman flying and giving that cliche speech that'd end with "I am Superman." Credits roll and no one complains.

At any rate, there are bound to be city battles. I definitely don't mind, but it'd be cool to see some other settings if they work within context.