Civil War Files

[i'm Spider-Man]

man, is that book a toughie to get through. May as well be called "'How to Get my Friends' - from the desk of Tony Stark"

written entirely from his perspective, it outlines the powers and and histories of some of the more major players in the MU, with a few notable exceptions such as Hulk and Thor, who interestingly enough are listed in the Appendix as 'Fugitive' and 'Agent of SHIELD' respectively. (Shock horror, could this mean Thor isn't THE Thor?!)

I must confess to not reading the entire book, purely because I was tired and hungry when it arrived in the post so I only flicked through about 50% of it. However, one part which caught my eye is in the entry for Hank Pym/YellowJacket...

"Reed Richards and I have invited him to join our top-secret think tank where we brainstorm new inventions and scientific breakthroughs, such as several new advances in cloning technology we've stumbled upon"

... cloning technology...

now, this interests me. It wouldn't even be mentioned in the book unless it was going to play a somewhat significant role in the coming storylines. What sort of implications would cloning have on Civil War?

My first impression was perhaps they cloned Thor, and that's who we saw as 'Codename: Lightning' in CW#3. It would explain why he seems to be against Cap, and why he's listed as an Agent of SHIELD. (the REAL Thor would never make himself anyone's 'Agent')

Any other thoughts on this?

 

[SouLeSS]

You're looking too far into it.

 

[3dman27]

isn't cloning illegal in the mu?or maybe a paperback book ala science of the x-men
btw is cwf a magazine or a comic?

 

[Darthphere]

Cloning is illegal only if you dont have government backing on it. Like divulging secret agent identities.

 

[hippy fascist]

Here's a pretty big potential spoiler from the comic book resources forums

Spoiler

Maybe I missed this in the hundreds of messages about Thor's appearance, but Millar left (or planted) a serious spoiler buried in the back of Civil War 1, the Director's Cut.

Spoilers ahead:


In the second to last page, there's an excerpt from "From Draft Four:" It has Captain America's climactic confrontation not with SHIELD director Hill, but some new big shot. To quote:

"2/Cut back to the heli-carrier as Cap gets greeted by a mysterious and enigmatic new character we've been building up in the other books. This guy is called Colonel Blake and his name and cane make us suspect he might be the new Thor. In reality this old man is a.."

All or part of the next five sentences are blacked out.

Then comes a snippet of dialogue, where Blake says "It's a pleasure to SEE you again, soldier." Cap says "Actually, I don't believe we've MET, sir."

The Millar begins to explain the next scene: "Close on Colonel Blake, his eyes twinkling. I....(about three and a half lines are blacked out, but the passage ends with) we can reveal in issue six."

Then Blake says "Oh,we KNOW each other Captain."

Blake then goes on to explain he's part of a new unit assigned to bring down unregistered superheroes.

thoughts?

another theory was that maybe it's

Spoiler

loki

doing a fake out

 

[RogueLDN]

Nice spot with the first one, i think the second is too far though

 

[Knives122]

man, is that book a toughie to get through. May as well be called "'How to Get my Friends' - from the desk of Tony Stark"

This just made me laugh for some reason, I thought it was funny.....penguin

 

[Red]

Hmm I'm still betting that Thor is under mindcontrol of some kind.

 

[Caliber]

man, is that book a toughie to get through. May as well be called "'How to Get my Friends' - from the desk of Tony Stark"

written entirely from his perspective, it outlines the powers and and histories of some of the more major players in the MU, with a few notable exceptions such as Hulk and Thor, who interestingly enough are listed in the Appendix as 'Fugitive' and 'Agent of SHIELD' respectively. (Shock horror, could this mean Thor isn't THE Thor?!)

I must confess to not reading the entire book, purely because I was tired and hungry when it arrived in the post so I only flicked through about 50% of it. However, one part which caught my eye is in the entry for Hank Pym/YellowJacket...

"Reed Richards and I have invited him to join our top-secret think tank where we brainstorm new inventions and scientific breakthroughs, such as several new advances in cloning technology we've stumbled upon"

... cloning technology...

now, this interests me. It wouldn't even be mentioned in the book unless it was going to play a somewhat significant role in the coming storylines. What sort of implications would cloning have on Civil War?

My first impression was perhaps they cloned Thor, and that's who we saw as 'Codename: Lightning' in CW#3. It would explain why he seems to be against Cap, and why he's listed as an Agent of SHIELD. (the REAL Thor would never make himself anyone's 'Agent')

Any other thoughts on this?

Would a clone Thor be able to use Mjolnir in the first place?

 

[Darthphere]

Who says thats Mjolnir?

 

[hippy fascist]

I loved this book, it's great timing because it confirms a lot of maybes while still laying seeds for future developments

eg: spider-man is definately being monitored through the suit

 

[Caliber]

Who says thats Mjolnir?

I assume Mjolnir fell in F4 but it could also be stormbreaker.

 

[CombatRock319]

this is a great thread and to be honest a great idea. i wouldnt be suprised if they had PARTIALLY cloned thor, giving the clone some what resembling powers. This also makes sense why thor would be fighting Cap. Thor is extremely loyal to Captain just as any Avengers reader knows and it wouldnt suprise me if he was a clone or it was the actually thor being mind controlled (although i find the latter highly impossible due to the fact that its probably b*tching hard to do) But for the anti-registration and thor fans there is hope yet. In the meantime im slowly falling in love with Hercules as a replacement, is that just me?

 

[Kable24]

I only read his thoughts on the Punisher and why Castle is a wanted fugitive for not signing the registration act. Weird considering Frank isn't a super.

 

[hippy fascist]

I only read his thoughts on the Punisher and why Castle is a wanted fugitive for not signing the registration act. Weird considering Frank isn't a super.

I've been wondering about that, cause prowler isn't either

 

[i'm Spider-Man]

This just made me laugh for some reason, I thought it was funny.....penguin

cheers, I do try to bring some lightness into the gloomy depths of the forum...

I loved this book, it's great timing because it confirms a lot of maybes while still laying seeds for future developments

eg: spider-man is definately being monitored through the suit

... holy cr*p, you're right! What puzzled me was, the number of time's Peter's said "my spider-sense is tingling!" or "I dunno guys, i've got a bad feeling about this" or "see i've got this 'danger sense' that warns of impending danger" or something along those lines... are they SURE Tony had never heard of his Spider-Sense by now?

Still... the repercussions of Tony's monitoring of Peter could be big. Not to mention the slant that Tony could be becoming more of a Howard Hughes-ish, control freaky Billionaire...

Would a clone Thor be able to use Mjolnir in the first place?

I dunno. But i'm sure a clone of Don Blake, the one person Tony and co. are sure has been able to transform into Thor, would be able to lift Mjolnir in it's stick form, and then transform into Thor...

(plus, there've been some imitations. "The best-known are the two created by Odin himself: Stormbreaker for Beta Ray Bill, and the mace Thunderstrike for Eric Masterson. Loki has been responsible for multiple imitations. Deadpool briefly wielded an imposter Mjolnir gifted to him by Loki. During Ragnarok, multiple "knock-off" Mjolnirs were created by Surtur with Loki's aid." - Wikipedia)


- ISM

 

[i'm Spider-Man]

I only read his thoughts on the Punisher and why Castle is a wanted fugitive for not signing the registration act. Weird considering Frank isn't a super.

well one could argue that since it's a Super HERO Registration, rather than Super POWERS. But Could you really even consider Frank a 'hero'? I'd still class him simply as a vigilante with lots of experience...

 

[hippy fascist]

well one could argue that since it's a Super HERO Registration, rather than Super POWERS. But Could you really even consider Frank a 'hero'? I'd still class him simply as a vigilante with lots of experience...

That's one of my big irks with civil war because it's been refered to as both Super Hero and Super Human registration actdepending on which titles you read. THey really need to pin this down

Also Powers are the main reasoning for the act, remeber all that stuff in the road to books about some of these kids are walking round with as much POWER as a nuclear weapon

 

[i'm Spider-Man]

hmm. I dunno then, I guess they intend it to be an umbrella term for 'anyone in a costume' or 'anyone who Maria Hill doesn't like' (but then that'd be... everyone?)

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't care why the Punisher is being sought after, I just want him 2 get involved! I love the Punisher and dude is a walking army.

 

[3dman27]

That's one of my big irks with civil war because it's been refered to as both Super Hero and Super Human registration actdepending on which titles you read. THey really need to pin this down

Also Powers are the main reasoning for the act, remeber all that stuff in the road to books about some of these kids are walking round with as much POWER as a nuclear weapon

this is correct if it wasn't clarfied soon SHIELD WILL BE ARRESTING EVERY MASKED WRESTLER they can find

 

[danielisthor]

this is correct if it wasn't clarfied soon SHIELD WILL BE ARRESTING EVERY MASKED WRESTLER they can find

I would lay money on Rey Mysterio taking a squad of Shield Cape Killers down.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

this is a great thread and to be honest a great idea. i wouldnt be suprised if they had PARTIALLY cloned thor, giving the clone some what resembling powers. This also makes sense why thor would be fighting Cap. Thor is extremely loyal to Captain just as any Avengers reader knows and it wouldnt suprise me if he was a clone or it was the actually thor being mind controlled (although i find the latter highly impossible due to the fact that its probably b*tching hard to do) But for the anti-registration and thor fans there is hope yet. In the meantime im slowly falling in love with Hercules as a replacement, is that just me?

No. Herc's a great big lug, and EXTREMELY loyal to his friends...that scene with him tossing Iron Man's flunkies aside as he raced to help Cap was pure GOLD, imo...


In regards to Thor being cloned....that's an interesting theory. Is cloning a God possible though (within the confines of the Marvel Universe)...?

How would it know how to use Mjolner? And if it WASN'T Mjolner, could SHIELD generate enough electricity to stun the son of Zeus...?

Hopefully, more will be revealed next week...

 

[bkhedr]

rather then posting my opinion i'm piggy backing on CaptainStacy's t:

No. Herc's a great big lug, and EXTREMELY loyal to his friends...that scene with him tossing Iron Man's flunkies aside as he raced to help Cap was pure GOLD, imo...

Yes it was. Herc rocks and doesnt get nearly enough love from the average marvelite


In regards to Thor being cloned....that's an interesting theory. Is cloning a God possible though (within the confines of the Marvel Universe)...?

I hope not

How would it know how to use Mjolner? And if it WASN'T Mjolner, could SHIELD generate enough electricity to stun the son of Zeus...?

I imagine they could but I think that;s mjolnir and i think its the real Thor

Hopefully, more will be revealed next week...

 

[hippy fascist]

Is cloning a God possible though (within the confines of the Marvel Universe)...?

They don't have to clone a god, just donald blake

also

spoilers (but if you fancy a bit more information I'll put something I posted earlier up again)

Spoiler

but Millar left (or planted) a serious spoiler buried in the back of Civil War 1, the Director's Cut.

Spoilers ahead:


In the second to last page, there's an excerpt from "From Draft Four:" It has Captain America's climactic confrontation not with SHIELD director Hill, but some new big shot. To quote:

"2/Cut back to the heli-carrier as Cap gets greeted by a mysterious and enigmatic new character we've been building up in the other books. This guy is called Colonel Blake and his name and cane make us suspect he might be the new Thor. In reality this old man is a.."

All or part of the next five sentences are blacked out.

Then comes a snippet of dialogue, where Blake says "It's a pleasure to SEE you again, soldier." Cap says "Actually, I don't believe we've MET, sir."

The Millar begins to explain the next scene: "Close on Colonel Blake, his eyes twinkling. I....(about three and a half lines are blacked out, but the passage ends with) we can reveal in issue six."

Then Blake says "Oh,we KNOW each other Captain."

Blake then goes on to explain he's part of a new unit assigned to bring down unregistered superheroes.

either way for me this entire series is gonna hinge on how they explain this. It may sound a bit dramatic but if the explanation's crap it'll sour the whole thing for me...which would be a shame cause I'm loving this story so far!