Civil War: Whos side are you on?

[supermarvelman]

Just because they already did it doesn't mean they cant do it again especially since they retconned it, this would be a much better way to kill off the old bag, I would all be because Peter revealed himself, something Aunt May herself wanted him to do, it would be ironic. MJ also pushed him to do it against his own judgement, there would be a lot of resentment built up between Peter and MJ.

How exactly did they kill her the first time around?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

S.H.I.E.L.D. really should offer some kind of Superhero Protection Program for all the heroes that comply and reveal their identities. They're not stupid, they know that villains will pounce on the opportunity to hit a hero where it hurts...his/her family.

 

[DOOM2099]

I'm on with G'Nort!!!!!!

 

[Dread]

Just because they already did it doesn't mean they cant do it again especially since they retconned it, this would be a much better way to kill off the old bag, I would all be because Peter revealed himself, something Aunt May herself wanted him to do, it would be ironic.

How exactly did they kill her the first time around?

She died of heart/age related issues in ASM #400. She passed on in a hospital after giving Peter a heartfelt farewell, including that she knew he was Spider-Man and was proud of him. This was in the midst of the Clone Saga stuff, though (almost immediately afterwards, Peter was arrested for murders Kaine committed, because they had the same fingerprints). But I could be off.

The loss of "the old female mentor" figure in the books was immediately felt, and MJ's Aunt Anna was trucked in to fill the gap. It obviously didn't work, because Mackie "revived" Aunt May shortly after "Revelations" (that brought back Norman Osborn and kick-started his "responsible for every evil act ever committed upon Spider-Man from now until the end of all recorded time" incarnation). He claimed that Norman secretly kidnapped May and held her captive while "an actress" who was modified to the point that even Peter was fooled impersonated May for some reason, and it was the actress who died. Definately not a high point.

The Kicker? After going through all that to revive her, May proceeded to do absolutely nothing worthwhile until JMS came along. Despite all his mistakes on ASM, revving up May's character was one of the positives of his run.

 

[supermarvelman]

Marvel already tried killing May once; Mackie pulled a major retcon to undo it, and JMS admittedly did well with May as a character some years since. So I doubt it.

Spider-Man's concern over the fate of his family was the major drawback of him revealing himself (or even registering to begin with). As stated, it is a bit of a shame that CW seems to hypocritically state that heroes who obey the law and register with the government are STILL hypocrites unless they just completely "come out", despite the fact that undercover cops, spy agents, and covert ops are a fact of life in the real world, and mostly are accepted. Still, Spider-Man's supposed to go through a ringer here, so his family may become at least threatened by it.

Plus, he has more people to care about than MJ or May. How about Betty Brant? Flash Thompson? Liz Allen? Heck, maybe Debra Whitman blows her brains out after calling it years ago and believing herself crazy. Or whatever. There's other "shock value" options that a bloodthirsty Marvel or Millar could pursue aside for killing MJ or May, something I doubt Marvel wants to do (especially with SPIDER-MAN 3 under a year away).

Well Cyclops is still alive and so is Prof X and the movie just came out, so in the end as much as you disagree I really dont think it matters what happens in the comics. Eddie Brock isnt even Venom but he will be in the movies so I dont think it matters.

 

[supermarvelman]

She died of heart/age related issues in ASM #400. She passed on in a hospital after giving Peter a heartfelt farewell, including that she knew he was Spider-Man and was proud of him. This was in the midst of the Clone Saga stuff, though (almost immediately afterwards, Peter was arrested for murders Kaine committed, because they had the same fingerprints). But I could be off.

The loss of "the old female mentor" figure in the books was immediately felt, and MJ's Aunt Anna was trucked in to fill the gap. It obviously didn't work, because Mackie "revived" Aunt May shortly after "Revelations" (that brought back Norman Osborn and kick-started his "responsible for every evil act ever committed upon Spider-Man from now until the end of all recorded time" incarnation). He claimed that Norman secretly kidnapped May and held her captive while "an actress" who was modified to the point that even Peter was fooled impersonated May for some reason, and it was the actress who died. Definately not a high point.

The Kicker? After going through all that to revive her, May proceeded to do absolutely nothing worthwhile until JMS came along. Despite all his mistakes on ASM, revving up May's character was one of the positives of his run.

So pretty much it was kinda pointless and stupid way to kill her off, I wouldnt have added crap to the character of Spider-man. But if she was killed because of Peter's dicicions in CW, it would add a lot to his character. Wasnt most of the Clone Saga stuff retconned?

 

[samurai black]

For my money? A "major arrest" is supposed to take place, and I'm calling it on

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Capt. America

. I hope I'm wrong, though, because I would like to be surprised by Marvel for a change (and not in a bad way).

Although it's the obvious choice, it's the one that makes the most sense sotry wise. If

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Cap does get arrested, he may become somewhat of a matyr for the cause.

If that happens, it could be the straw that broke the camel's back and gets Spider-man to change sides and possibly lead the resistance which would totally be the **** IMHO.

 

[Dread]

Well Cyclops is still alive and so is Prof X and the movie just came out, so in the end as much as you disagree I really dont think it matters what happens in the comics. Eddie Brock isnt even Venom but he will be in the movies so I dont think it matters.

Actually, Marvel's releasing a sequal to PHOENIX ENDSONG in the X-books that detailed art that looked a lot like stuff that happened in X3 (although many of us figured it was likely a dream or illusionary sequence).

As for Eddie Brock, now that SPIDER-MAN 3 is in the works, Marvel's editorial dept. is denying his "official" death from MKSM and playing coy. Meanwhile, the Gargan-Venom is set to show up in BEYOND!, and some people are guessing that BEYOND! could be used to seperate Gargan from the symbiote and launch a possible return of Brock as Venom. This is all pure speculation, but some of the pieces are in play.

 

[Dread]

So pretty much it was kinda pointless and stupid way to kill her off, I wouldnt have added crap to the character of Spider-man. But if she was killed because of Peter's dicicions in CW, it would add a lot to his character. Wasnt most of the Clone Saga stuff retconned?

More of it has been ignored and omitted than retconned. Norman was revealed to be responsible for a good deal of it, but some of the other niggling plot-points, such as Kaine, the "lost baby" or even Peter acting like he'd just lost a brother to death (Ben Rielly was like a brother to him when he was killed by Osborn) is usually forgotten and officially "ixnay" to mention because Marvel wants to distance itself from that maligned storyline.

 

[supermarvelman]

Actually, Marvel's releasing a sequal to PHOENIX ENDSONG in the X-books that detailed art that looked a lot like stuff that happened in X3 (although many of us figured it was likely a dream or illusionary sequence).

As for Eddie Brock, now that SPIDER-MAN 3 is in the works, Marvel's editorial dept. is denying his "official" death from MKSM and playing coy. Meanwhile, the Gargan-Venom is set to show up in BEYOND!, and some people are guessing that BEYOND! could be used to seperate Gargan from the symbiote and launch a possible return of Brock as Venom. This is all pure speculation, but some of the pieces are in play.

True they do have a whole year to get the symbiote back to Brock.

 

[Dread]

Although it's the obvious choice, it's the one that makes the most sense sotry wise. If

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Cap does get arrested, he may become somewhat of a matyr for the cause.

If that happens, it could be the straw that broke the camel's back and gets Spider-man to change sides and possibly lead the resistance which would totally be the **** IMHO.

Very possible. The arrest would most likely deliver more punch to the storyline that the one mentioned in ULTIMATES 2 #9, almost to the point of the repetition being worthwhile. Some could argue, "Why NOT repeat yourself if you do it right the next time?" Unfortunately, this arguement results in comic companies repeating many of their mistakes every few years. But it could work in CW, as you stated.

 

[Image]

I'm on Cap's side and I wan't Spidey to be too! lol

 

[Colossal Spoons]

In time, I guess.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I haven't read # 2 yet but when I picked it up yesterday I had to AT LEAST look through it.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 13 year wish has finally come true!!!! I had to freakin' pinch myself in the comic shop to make sure that I was seeing what I was seeing!!! My reaction was almost like JJJ's reaction!!!!! HAHA!!

Holy crap. I knew it was happening and in this issue...but it is still an awesome feeling and such an exciting thing! Man, I cannot wait to see what the other reactions to this are going to be! I wonder what JJJ is going to say when he wakes up, hahahaha!!!

That cover to # 5 confuses the hell out of me though. Spidey reveals his ID and they put Green Goblin and Venom on the cover?

The two rogues that have KNOWN Spider-Man was Peter Parker for a REALLY LONG TIME!!

Why not have it be Electro, who recently got his ass owned by the New Avengers, or Doctor Octopus? Those two would probably be really fired up about it too. And what the hell is Bullseye doing there? I thought that he was in jail!

I'm guessing that some crazy stuff is gonna go down in Daredevil for Bullseye to be out, which means there must be prison breaks or something....or Marvel flubbed their continuity....AGAIN!

But, man, I am so freakin' happy and excited about this. I've waited for this moment for 13 god damn years and I'm relishing every last damn second of it. And they actually have done it in a rather well done manner too, which surprises the hell out of me too.

Kudos to the boys at Marvel for doing this though, especially JMS and Quesada who get torn apart daily on these boards. I may not like Quesada very much as an editor in chief...or as a person...but he's made a lot of ballsy decisions for Spider-Man. Most of them have been horrible for the character and the fans...but this is something I can respect them for. All the criticism that they take and the outrage that they've faced...they still step up and are doing something new and interesting with Spider-Man. I think it's right they get SOME kind of credit. Instead of being called names by faceless people on the Internet who wouldn't have the guts to say any of this stuff to his face.

But, definitely an exciting time to be reading Spider-Man! And if you dropped the titles because of the unmasking...well, you're loss. Because this is probably going to be one of the most exciting times to be a Spider-Man reader.

 

[deemar325]

I'm happy for you SpideyTree.

 

[jaydawg]

God damn, why is every other response about why GG and Venom are on the cover? I should make a thread just to say why so people can stop asking!!

 

[SpideyInATree]

God damn, why is every other response about why GG and Venom are on the cover? I should make a thread just to say why so people can stop asking!!

Because Spider-Man reveals his identity to the world and the two villains they put on the cover afterward are the two that have ALREADY KNOWN!

 

[Anubis]

Should have been some opportunistic *****e like Electro or Doc Ock.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Should have been some opportunistic *****e like Electro or Doc Ock.

Exactly. The villains who DON'T KNOW who he is and would piss them off when they found out.

Would make a LITTLE more sense.

Though Goblin I understand a little more because he'd be pissed off that his little secret over Pete's head would be rendered useless.

 

[Anubis]

You know what would really be cool? If GOblin actually was there to help Pete. Like, nobody is gonna off Spidey except the Green Goblin, and he aint finished f**king up his life yet.

 

[Tropico]

was that Mimic in the last page of Thunderbolts this week?

Yes, it look like him to me. There were also a couple of villains from the New Warriors which I guess Fabe had sneaked in there.

 

[SpideyInATree]

You know what would really be cool? If GOblin actually was there to help Pete. Like, nobody is gonna off Spidey except the Green Goblin, and he aint finished f**king up his life yet.

That actually WOULD be kinda cool. And it would make sense. But by the looks of the cover that's not what it looks like, heh.

But it would be cool as hell and definitely an interesting team up.

 

[The Joker]

Exactly. The villains who DON'T KNOW who he is and would piss them off when they found out.

Would make a LITTLE more sense.

Though Goblin I understand a little more because he'd be pissed off that his little secret over Pete's head would be rendered useless.

Exactly. The two villains who do know his identity now no longer have that little threat over him. Spider-Man's secret life is open game to all of them. So it is natural that GG and Venom [though it should be Brock not Gargan] react first. The others need to time to let it sink in and plan something.

Though I hope they don't dwell on those two for too long. I want to see the other villain's reactions, especially Ock's.

That's about the only good thing to come out of this, seeing everyone's reaction.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd like to see Doc Ock's reaction too, considering he unmasked Peter before pretty much anyone else and got laughed at for it.

 

[The Leaguer]

He's used to being laughed at. He's fat.