Clor gonna get a whuppin!

[Silicon Surfer]

Keep in mind that the Thor's in most of those hand books are avatars, at least the ones I've seen.

They have however repeatedly listed the specific enchantments that Mjolnir itself contains and weather control has been among them and has been transmitted to each worthy person. So whether Thor possesses weather control power of his own is an ambiguous situation, the fact that Mjolnir contains the power cannot be questioned since other people keep manifesting the power after lifting the hammer

 

[Vartha]

Well that's the point tho, even the Enchantment says "the POWER of Thor", it doesn't mention just one strength or power.
The other reasoning we Thor fans have been using is the fact that Thor is the son of Gaea/Jord or Mother Earth, it just makes sense that Weather control would be a Birthright for Thor.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

As I understand the history of the elder gods they chose their paths and interests over a long period of time and were not born to a particular set of abilities. Thor should however have inherited true immortality and a lot of magic potential which seems to be true considering the power of the godforce that he unleashes.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

This may be a stupid question but how were they able to clone a God???? And I know about the strand of hair.

And as such, how could the clone have the same power base as the God who was created out of a divine union between Odin and Gaea?!?

In any case, depending on how much of Thor's power he has, he should make short work of Storm. The real Thor would certainly as his weather powers should trump hers not to mention all the other powers he has.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Gods in the MU are physical beings and as such are injurable and clonable. A clone would have all the base physical attributes of the original and magical potential as well. The clone would not have any learned skill such as combat skills or magical knowlege and training unless the person doing the cloning had access to that knowledge. The topic being debated however is whether or not the specific weather control powers are natural or by means of Mjolnir. There are grounds for both arguements although for the most part Marvel for the last 30-40 years has said the answer is Mjolnir. Recently however some writers have revived the inherant powers idea and created a slight controversy. If the powers are inherant Clor would win over Storm. If the powers are from Mjolnir then the weather control power he has is tech and that means he will go down hard against a truly angry Storm.

 

[ibsisomis]

Don't forget that in Contest of Champions II that Thor beat Storm. Even though that this is Clor, and not Thor. They do have the same powers.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Gods in the MU are physical beings and as such are injurable and clonable. A clone would have all the base physical attributes of the original and magical potential as well. The clone would not have any learned skill such as combat skills or magical knowlege and training unless the person doing the cloning had access to that knowledge. The topic being debated however is whether or not the specific weather control powers are natural or by means of Mjolnir. There are grounds for both arguements although for the most part Marvel for the last 30-40 years has said the answer is Mjolnir. Recently however some writers have revived the inherant powers idea and created a slight controversy. If the powers are inherant Clor would win over Storm. If the powers are from Mjolnir then the weather control power he has is tech and that means he will go down hard against a truly angry Storm.

Within Norse mythology, the weather powers were inherent and not a part of Mjollnir.

With regard the comic books, during the reigning, when he had the Odin force, he affected weather patterns without the use of Mjollnir. And imho I do not think that his weather powers should be derived from it, but it hs been shown both ways throughout the years so who knows how they wish to portray it now.

 

[IronMan_2005]

Storms lightning may be powerful, but again I'll ask, since when does she have superhuman resistance to superpowered attacks? Or do people think it'll be a onesided fight with Storm landing ALL the blows and Clor, She-Hulk, Ms Marvel not fighting back?

Do bullets bounce off her?
If Thor or Clor hits her in the head, or body with the hammer would it not cause severe trauma or internal bleeding?
If She-Hulk or Ms Marvel punch her would it also not cause severe trauma?

 

[bkhedr]

During the Ragnarok arc Thor didnt have the odinforce and mjolnir had been destroyed and he used his inherent weather powers to kill Durok the Demolisher.

He even mentioned that ht too often relied on Mjolnir in the past and he would use his own inherent strength to defeat Durok.

I think that settles it.

 

[Kitsune]

Within Norse mythology, the weather powers were inherent and not a part of Mjollnir.

With regard the comic books, during the reigning, when he had the Odin force, he affected weather patterns without the use of Mjollnir. And imho I do not think that his weather powers should be derived from it, but it hs been shown both ways throughout the years so who knows how they wish to portray it now.

Thor owns a short-handled war hammer, Mjolnir, which, when thrown at a target, returns magically to the owner. His Mjolnir also had the power to throw lighting bolts. To wield Mjölnir, Thor wears the belt Megingjord, which boosts the wearer's strength and a pair of special iron gloves to lift the hammer.

The strike of the hammer caused thunderclaps, and Thor was named after the Common Germanic word for thunder. With the hammer, Thor performs his giant-killing duties.

I don't remember any myth stating that Thor had weather control powers without the hammer.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

During the Ragnarok arc Thor didnt have the odinforce and mjolnir had been destroyed and he used his inherent weather powers to kill Durok the Demolisher.

He even mentioned that ht too often relied on Mjolnir in the past and he would use his own inherent strength to defeat Durok.

I think that settles it.

What trade is Ragnorok out in? What about the other recent-ish arcs? I really want to get into Thor.



Umm. not THAT way though.

 

[bkhedr]

Its Thor: Disassembled, and it absolutely rocks

If you are looking for good Thor trades I suggest anything by Jurgens or Simonson

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

No they don't come from the Hammer. Thor Odinson was born with Strength AND weather powers. Look at Blood Oath and the Ragnarok Arc, both storylines he couldn't use Mjolnir, and controled the weather. The Warriors Three even remind Thor of when he was a kid and had a nightmare one time that made huge storms, it took all three of the warriors to wake him.
Mjolnir is a TOOL that focus's the user's powers. ODIN himself used the hammer as well and it DID NOT give him the power of Weather, it just amplified his own powers.

I stand corrected!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I don't remember any myth stating that Thor had weather control powers without the hammer.

I may have been mistaken but as I do not have a copy of my norse mythology books with me I could not say. However, it is true I never remember him using his weather powers that much in any of his myths.

 

[supermarvelman]

Eros, just. give. up. They will say storm sucks against [fill in blank] until proven wrong. Just leave it alone.

It's not Storm sucks against [fill in blank] it's more like Storm can beat[fill in blank], no matter what anybody says to a Storm fan, they always have some cockamaimy reason as to why she can basically beat anybody, yes her power is very formidable, but she is not invulnerable, in the handbooks her durability is a 2 (normal), all it would take is one solid punch from She-Hulk or Ms. Marvel to knock her out, but Storm fans wont budge.
I'm the one who left it alone if you notice COMICBOY, after the Batman vs Captain America thread the other day, I dont feel like going through a debate where nobody will budge. Dont act like it's just me or a couple other people who wont be proven wrong, cause it seems as if Storm fans are as stubborn if not more stubborn than Hulk fans, so I left the thread and let everybody else debate over how powerful Storm is and how she could beat Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. It's a 2 way street, why is it when the other side of the argument isn't budging, they arent being stubborn, I just dont get some of your logic.

 

[supermarvelman]

No they don't come from the Hammer. Thor Odinson was born with Strength AND weather powers. Look at Blood Oath and the Ragnarok Arc, both storylines he couldn't use Mjolnir, and controled the weather. The Warriors Three even remind Thor of when he was a kid and had a nightmare one time that made huge storms, it took all three of the warriors to wake him.
Mjolnir is a TOOL that focus's the user's powers. ODIN himself used the hammer as well and it DID NOT give him the power of Weather, it just amplified his own powers.

Yea in the Marvel Encyclopdia, it says that Thor naturally controls lightning and Weather, he has Mastery over elements of storm. It also says Mjolnir helps him better focus his control over weather, can project mystical energy, open interdimensional gateways, and affords Thor the power of flight.

 

[supermarvelman]

As for Storms powers guys, think about this, ONE lightning storm can power the United States for TWENTY minutes!
Storm has access to those storms, Clor doesn't, as much as I want Clor to become an Anti-Thor she should be able to kick Clor's butt.

Clor might not beable to control the weather, but he does have other powers that Thor has, including strength, invulnerability, and energy projection, Storm's durability is normal, she is rated as a 2, she does have some resistance to lightning and elements of storm but thats because of her powers, what do you think would happen to her if she got blasted by the same kinda blast that took down Goliath, who's durability was in proportion to his size, it blew a hole right through him, what do you think it would do to her, Clor's Hammer might not be made of Uru, but I'm sure they made it out of either Vibranium or Adamantium or both, what would happen if Clor nailed her with it?

 

[supermarvelman]

This may be a stupid question but how were they able to clone a God???? And I know about the strand of hair.

And as such, how could the clone have the same power base as the God who was created out of a divine union between Odin and Gaea?!?

In any case, depending on how much of Thor's power he has, he should make short work of Storm. The real Thor would certainly as his weather powers should trump hers not to mention all the other powers he has.

How the hell did they create a serum so powerful to create Sentry, it's comics, scientist can do whatever they need, when the writer needs them to do it. He might be cloned from a god, but he probably isnt recognized as a God. He should make short work of Storm, but Marvel wants to force her down our throats, and they want to force us to believe that she is more formidable than she really is, they can do it, it is there company but I think its bull****.

 

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At least I hope he does.

Tsk
Storm will beat his azz.

Understand three things:

1.She has beat asgardians alone.

2.This is NOT THOR,.. at best it's a combination of asgardian DNA from Thor mixed with technology.

3. none of the weather control powers that THOR HAS AS BIRTHRIGHT IS PRESENT.

She should be able to beat him into bad health,... Clor doesn't have the immunities or magical atributes attached to Mjolner. All he has is a tech hammer and normal asgardian physical abilities.

All you non readers of comics who don't know your history should be ashamed.

 

[Kitsune]

I may have been mistaken but as I do not have a copy of my norse mythology books with me I could not say. However, it is true I never remember him using his weather powers that much in any of his myths.

Well the myths rarely say what a hero can't do. Gods tend to be a lot like Superman, gaining powers as the story requires.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If Clor's hammer contains technology then it is almost certainly the source of his weather control powers since there would be no other purpose. They would have simply made the hammer out of solid adamantium.

 

[IronMan_2005]

Tsk
Storm will beat his azz.

Understand three things:

1.She has beat asgardians alone.

2.This is NOT THOR,.. at best it's a combination of asgardian DNA from Thor mixed with technology.

3. none of the weather control powers that THOR HAS AS BIRTHRIGHT IS PRESENT.

She should be able to beat him into bad health,... Clor doesn't have the immunities or magical atributes attached to Mjolner. All he has is a tech hammer and normal asgardian physical abilities.

All you non readers of comics who don't know your history should be ashamed.

again I'll ask, does she have superhuman resistance to superpowered attacks?

Do bullets bounce off her?

Would one single blow to the head not cause her massive head trauma?

Would a blow to the body or any extremeties not shatter her bones?

Clor is powerful enough to bring down a building with one blow, what would happen to Storm if she was hit with the same exact blow?

As far as I know, Storm is as fragile as any regular human being.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The winds that she uses to fly would blow bullets away from her. Physical attacks would hurt her as they would any ordinary person assuming that they hit her. Since she can fly the She-Hulk would never get close to her and could be barbequed with lighning at leisure. Storm is quite agile and would not be an easy target. A combat between Clor and Storm would probably take place mostly in the air with Storm fighting with weather from a distance. Despite his power even the true Thor has never displayed much in the way of aerial manuverability and Storm would have little difficulty keeping her distance.

 

[supermarvelman]

Tsk
Storm will beat his azz.

Understand three things:

1.She has beat asgardians alone.

2.This is NOT THOR,.. at best it's a combination of asgardian DNA from Thor mixed with technology.

3. none of the weather control powers that THOR HAS AS BIRTHRIGHT IS PRESENT.

She should be able to beat him into bad health,... Clor doesn't have the immunities or magical atributes attached to Mjolner. All he has is a tech hammer and normal asgardian physical abilities.

All you non readers of comics who don't know your history should be ashamed.

So what if she has beaten Asgardians, Clor has killed superhumans. Even if Clor had Thor's weather control powers it wouldn't matter since Storm has some level of immunity to things like lightning and elements of the weather, Clor will beat her with his other attributes, like his strength, again like other people posted, she does not have invulnerability, she has nothing close to it, no healing factor she has normal human durablity, except against the elements of weather, and she's still been hurt by her own lightning. So although Storm could use wind to deflect bullets, Clor wont be shooting her with bullets, he will fly right at her and hit her with his hammer or shot an energy blast that Storms wind would not beable to deflect. Clor most likely has similar attributes that Thor has without Mjolnir, like Strength and Invulnerability, I doubt her lightning would do **** to Clor. Yes he has a tech hammer made by some of the smartest people in the MU, people who have created the Ult Nullifier and the Ironman Armor, his hammer is no joke, and I'm sure his hammer is made out of something like Vibranium or Adamantium or both, Storm's head would get smashed like a pumpkin, it doesn't have to be Mjolnir or have any mystical enchanments to do that.

 

[supermarvelman]

The winds that she uses to fly would blow bullets away from her. Physical attacks would hurt her as they would any ordinary person assuming that they hit her. Since she can fly the She-Hulk would never get close to her and could be barbequed with lighning at leisure. Storm is quite agile and would not be an easy target. A combat between Clor and Storm would probably take place mostly in the air with Storm fighting with weather from a distance. Despite his power even the true Thor has never displayed much in the way of aerial manuverability and Storm would have little difficulty keeping her distance.

I'll give you that, since she can keep her distance she would probably beat She-Hulk, but only cause She-Hulk wouldn't beable to get near her, but I doubt she would be BBQ'd like you say. Ms. Marvel though, no she aint beating Ms. Marvel, it's not like she can keep her distance from her, and like I've already said, Storm could go ahead and hit her with a lightning bolt, but as we've all seen in the NA Colloective arc, if hit with enough energy Ms. Marvel's Binary Powers could manifest and if that happens Storm doesnt stand a chance.