Clor gonna get a whuppin!

[Marcdachamp]

Looks fantastic.

 

[Son_of_W]

I don't think it's out of the question for Storm to be able to beat Clor, or at least to stalemate him.

I don't care how smart Reed and Hank are, there's no way that they can recreate the real Thor's powers to the tee. There's no way he's as strong as Thor. There's no way his powers are as great as Thor's. There's no way that he shares Thor's immunities. And lest we forget, Storm is immune to lightning herself. She stands a better chance than most.

Storm isn't immune to lightning actually. She's been struck by her own lightning before and it hurt her. ALOT. I personally think it'd be cool to have Storm freeze Clor's ass into submission, seeing as somone pointed out, there's only so cold you can go before your mechanical parts start to freeze. But she won't do it with innocent people nearby, that's a spare casuality waiting to happen. Clor is gonna beat her senseless.

Also, BP almost beating Iron Man is a hell of a lot more impressive then him beating Clor. Iron Man's got adamantium armour now, and has survived Sentry beating the living crap out of him. If the ebony blade can cut through it then it'd cut through flesh, and a fake Mjolnir, like fire burns paper. Easily. Also, the vibranium armour thing, alot of Clor seems to be energy based attacks. If the armour absorbs it, and he has to come in close against BP, who has said blade, doesn't that put him at a disadvantage?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson) specifically powers and weapons section.

Thor's power of weather and lightning is not himself. It is Mjolnir. I want to see Thor take out Clor, and this is how I want it done:

Thor arrives to shock of all heroes in a flash and spectacle of lightning, fire and storm (yes, he'd be on Earth, he just destroyed Asgard in Disassembled) Clor throws Fake Mjolnir at Thor in that odd flight kinda' thing. Thor catches Clor by throat as Clor goes for first hit. Thor breaks Clor facsmile neck and throws the body up into the sky, where Thor then God blasts it. Thor joins rebel heroes and tears apart all opposition.

Then it would come down to either Iron Man vs. Thor, or Sentry vs. Thor, the latter of course being th far more impressivve battle.

 

[Tropico]

Yet you still engage in the discussion.

How many Clones of Thor are there really? Besides Clor?

Beta Ray Bill
Thunderstrike

Neither are or where clones.

Do some more research. Go to the Official Civil War thread around the date when Clor came out and you'll see the posts where they list the BAD GUYS that are practically Thor clones, it's a bunch of them. Oh, and there's also more good guy Thor knockoffs than those 2 you mentioned.

 

[PinnyPed]

Umm Thor's lightning abilities are innate at least in his last series. He was fighting Durok the Demolisher without Odin or Rune power, just regular old Thor and lightning blasted Durok by grabbing hold of him and lighting up like a Pikachu. This is without the hammer and while Thor looked a little messed up Durok was fried-dead. So sorry Thor's lightning powers are now considered to be innate including his immunity.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Marvel.com still lists the lightning and other weather related powers as being part of Mjolnir. His natural powers are listed as physical ones plus the Odinforce.

 

[bkhedr]

Marvel.com is wrong. Mjolnir enhances his weather control powers. They are innate.

 

[supermarvelman]

Deadpool had the Hammer of Thor for awhile.

Thats *****in when did it happen?

It's not in continuity is it?

 

[supermarvelman]

Do some more research. Go to the Official Civil War thread around the date when Clor came out and you'll see the posts where they list the BAD GUYS that are practically Thor clones, it's a bunch of them. Oh, and there's also more good guy Thor knockoffs than those 2 you mentioned.

I only mentioned 2, so you could mention more.

Also neither of those characters are clones, so...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Handbooks have stated for many years that his weather control powers come entirely from Mjolnir. And for those who want to quote stories, Marvel has said that where the Handbooks conflict with a published story the Handbook is considered to be correct. This presumably goes for the info on their official website as well.

 

[Fading]

Thats *****in when did it happen?

It's not in continuity is it?

I remember someone at the Hype talking about it before. I think he was having a dream or something, but I could be wrong.

 

[Harlekin]

The Handbooks have stated for many years that his weather control powers come entirely from Mjolnir. And for those who want to quote stories, Marvel has said that where the Handbooks conflict with a published story the Handbook is considered to be correct. This presumably goes for the info on their official website as well.

When has Marvel said this? Either way, Son of Asgard alone contradicts this assessment, and it's in continuity. Besides that, I wouldn't take the website as official. Now it's a glorified wiki, and before that, it was just blatantly wrong.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

When they introduced the Handbooks they said that the Handbooks were Marvels official decision on the subjects. The website entries are studied and approved by Marvel. Long ago they used to say that the stories in the comics are writers retelling of the events not the events themselves. So if a story contains an error or something they later change their mind about they have an out. The writer simply got it wrong the event did not actually happen that way.

 

[Red]

Thats *****in when did it happen?

It's not in continuity is it?

Mjolnir is fake. It was created by Loki for Deadpool.

 

[Harlekin]

When they introduced the Handbooks they said that the Handbooks were Marvels official decision on the subjects. The website entries are studied and approved by Marvel. Long ago they used to say that the stories in the comics are writers retelling of the events not the events themselves. So if a story contains an error or something they later change their mind about they have an out. The writer simply got it wrong the event did not actually happen that way.

You mean, when they introduced the handbooks... in the 80s!? Sorry pal, but the comics will always be more canon than the handbooks. That's pretty much considered a universal rule.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The whole reason the Handbooks were created in the first place was to settle the differences that keep coming up in various titles. That is why they take precedence over the comics. When they put out the Master Edition in the mid 90's they said that even the writers were bound by the stats that were published until Marvel published a new handbook changing them. Unfortunately they did not enforce it.

 

[Tropico]

I only mentioned 2, so you could mention more.

Also neither of those characters are clones, so...

Thank you for shooting yourself in the foot. There goes your whole "comparing Spider Women to Clor is comparing apples to apples" theory.up:

 

[Fading]

Well let's face it, a writer will write the character how they want anymore. Even after the handbook is updated every so once and awhile, it is quickly broken.

I wish they would just make something like that, a book that was absolute law, like X character can lift 50 tons and no more, and not have a writer the next day have him liftning 70 tons without any sweat, unless they gave a reason for the upgrade before the character did it.

The handbooks can be useful, but I agree that anything that actually happens in the books trumps the handbooks. Few of the writers seem concerned with sticking to it.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Well let's face it, a writer will write the character how they want anymore. Even after the handbook is updated every so once and awhile, it is quickly broken.

I wish they would just make something like that, a book that was absolute law, like X character can lift 50 tons and no more, and not have a writer the next day have him liftning 70 tons without any sweat, unless they gave a reason for the upgrade before the character did it.

The handbooks can be useful, but I agree that anything that actually happens in the books trumps the handbooks. Few of the writers seem concerned with sticking to it.

That's what the Handbooks were intended to be. The powers at Marvel made their decisions and then the writers essentially ignored them and were allowed to get away with it.

 

[Ockham]

Slightly off-topic, but I don't want to make a new thread for this...

In M:UA my pc asked Thor if anyone else has been able to lift Mjolnir, and this is what he answered:



So is that list correct?

 

[Harlekin]

That's what the Handbooks were intended to be. The powers at Marvel made their decisions and then the writers essentially ignored them and were allowed to get away with it.

What they were intended to be and what they actually up as are two very different things.

Beta Ray, Odin and Cap all lifted Mjolnir, but I'm pretty sure Storm didn't.

 

[bkhedr]

Storm lifted a facsimile that Loki created for her. She has never lifted Mjolnir

 

[Tropico]

Slightly off-topic, but I don't want to make a new thread for this...

In M:UA my pc asked Thor if anyone else has been able to lift Mjolnir, and this is what he answered:



So is that list correct?

Found this list in a Thor webpage:

1. Odin
2. Air-Walker (Thor #305)
3. Tiwaz
4. Beta Ray Bill
5. Captain America
6. Red Norvell (with the aid of gauntlets)

Storm had her own hammer made for her by the same dwarves that made Thor's hammer, she didn't use Mjolnir. 2 DC characters have used the hammer before, Wonder Woman and Superman.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Storm who is overrated stalemating Clor is laughable. I hope Storm is prepared for an ass whipping with Black Panther crying like a little beyootch.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Iron Man's writers should take notice on how easily IM get beaten or nearly beaten by Hudlin's Black Panther and spank Black Panther on his vibranium suit saying "Uh, uh - not this time T'Challa. I'm writen as the genius like I am originally thought to be by Stan Lee". Marvel ought to restrain Hudlin from writing a comeback.

BTW, it should not be a race thingy and BP vs IM should be equal. That way there should be a good, healthy competition between both armored Avengers. Or a three way fight with Dr. Doom. Until now it's always BP all the time - what's so cool about that?

 

[Not Jake]

Ugh I effin' hate Storm. Goddess posturing and crap. Lame, nonsensical powers! I hope Clor beats her.

I think in the end it will come down to Reed fixing the chip that prevents Clor from killing, and Storm/BP not having any problem with destroying what they see as an artificial being.