Clor gonna get a whuppin!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What's the other part?

Her turning, attitude-wise, into a holier-than-thou goddess-queen-b**ch of the universe??? t:

Yup

Awww.

*high five*

Just in case a hug is too much.

 

[supermarvelman]

For a fellow Storm hater, you can have a hug.

 

[supermarvelman]

So anyway, If Ironman can beat Storm and he's covered in metal and circuity, that can be frozen and fried, why would Clor's cybernetic parts cause him to lose? If she did fry his cybernetic implants, that possibly prevent him from killing wouldn't that just make things worse for her?

 

[Ockham]

I don't see any reason why Storm shouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir. She is a leader, protector, experienced warrior, royalty, noble and honorable character, and has been worshipped as a god. She has almost all the same qualities as Thor himself. She only lacks a notable super-strenght, but that is not one of the requirements of being worthy for Mjolnir. She may display a large ego sometimes, but so does Thor (all the time, actually). In fact, she seems to be MORE qualified to lift the hammer than Captain America, as she has more in common with Thor.

 

[Ockham]

So anyway, If Ironman can beat Storm and he's covered in metal and circuity, that can be frozen and fried, why would Clor's cybernetic parts cause him to lose? If she did fry his cybernetic implants, that possibly prevent him from killing wouldn't that just make things worse for her?

Iron Man's metal parts are external, whereas Clor's are internal. Look up "Faraday cage" and "skin depth".

 

[HandOfFate]

So anyway, If Ironman can beat Storm and he's covered in metal and circuity, that can be frozen and fried, why would Clor's cybernetic parts cause him to lose? If she did fry his cybernetic implants, that possibly prevent him from killing wouldn't that just make things worse for her?

Huh...have Iron Man and Storm ever fought? The only time I can think of was in the X-Men/Avengers book called the "Gamma Quest". IIRC, Storm dropped Iron Man with a EMP forcing him out of the sky. Later on, after he reboot his system, he easily counter her lightning attacks.

 

[bkhedr]

I don't see any reason why Storm shouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir. She is a leader, protector, experienced warrior, royalty, noble and honorable character, and has been worshipped as a god. She has almost all the same qualities as Thor himself. She only lacks a notable super-strenght, but that is not one of the requirements of being worthy for Mjolnir. She may display a large ego sometimes, but so does Thor (all the time, actually). In fact, she seems to be MORE qualified to lift the hammer than Captain America, as she has more in common with Thor.

Well lots of people who are seemingly noble and worthy have tried and failed to lift it. So who knows why she cant?

I just think its important to keep the number of people who lift it very small or else is loses its mystique. That's why you cant have every noble hero in the MU (and there are lots of them) worthy of the hammer.

On another note Super Strength has nothing to do with lifting Mjolnir. Eric Masterson and Jake Olsen are just normal humans and they could lift it because they were worthy. A starving, cancer ravaged baby, if worthy, gain the power of Thor just by touching it.

Storm, for one reason or another, doesnt meet Odin's criteria.

 

[Ockham]

Well lots of people who are seemingly noble and worthy have tried and failed to lift it. So who knows why she cant?

What do you mean, "can't"? Has she ever tried and failed?

I just think its important to keep the number of people who lift it very small or else is loses its mystique. That's why you cant have every noble hero in the MU (and there are lots of them) worthy of the hammer.

I agree, the number should be kept small. Still, Storm could be one of those few. As I said, Storm has many common features with Thor, much more so than the vast majority of other heroes. It is likely that these Thor-like virtues are mainly responsible for making one "worthy".

On another note Super Strength has nothing to do with lifting Mjolnir. Eric Masterson and Jake Olsen are just normal humans and they could lift it because they were worthy. A starving, cancer ravaged baby, if worthy, gain the power of Thor just by touching it.

I know. That's why I said: "She only lacks a notable super-strenght, but that is not one of the requirements of being worthy for Mjolnir."

Storm, for one reason or another, doesnt meet Odin's criteria.

Again, do you have proof for that? Because to my knowledge, Storm has never failed lifting Mjolnir, she simply hasn't tried. And I don't mean to be rude or insulting or anything; I would just like to know if she's proven to be unable to lift it.

BTW, I posted my message on a wrong thread. It (along with these replies) should be on the "Non Thor characters who can wield" -thread.

 

[supermarvelman]

I don't see any reason why Storm shouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir. She is a leader, protector, experienced warrior, royalty, noble and honorable character, and has been worshipped as a god. She has almost all the same qualities as Thor himself. She only lacks a notable super-strenght, but that is not one of the requirements of being worthy for Mjolnir. She may display a large ego sometimes, but so does Thor (all the time, actually). In fact, she seems to be MORE qualified to lift the hammer than Captain America, as she has more in common with Thor.

Yea right, total bs.

 

[supermarvelman]

Iron Man's metal parts are external, whereas Clor's are internal. Look up "Faraday cage" and "skin depth".

Whether the metal and circuitry is internal or external doesn't really matter though.

 

[Ockham]

Yea right, total bs.

You don't seem to have a counter-argument, just your unfounded and biased opinion. Are you saying, for example, that my comment of Thor having a large ego is "total bs"? Or Storm having a large ego is "total bs"?

 

[Ockham]

Whether the metal and circuitry is internal or external doesn't really matter though.

So you think a heart pace-maker provides just as good a protection vs. a lightning strike as being inside a (metal) car?

 

[bkhedr]

What do you mean, "can't"? Has she ever tried and failed?



I agree, the number should be kept small. Still, Storm could be one of those few. As I said, Storm has many common features with Thor, much more so than the vast majority of other heroes. It is likely that these Thor-like virtues are mainly responsible for making one "worthy".



I know. That's why I said: "She only lacks a notable super-strenght, but that is not one of the requirements of being worthy for Mjolnir."



Again, do you have proof for that? Because to my knowledge, Storm has never failed lifting Mjolnir, she simply hasn't tried. And I don't mean to be rude or insulting or anything; I would just like to know if she's proven to be unable to lift it.

BTW, I posted my message on a wrong thread. It (along with these replies) should be on the "Non Thor characters who can wield" -thread.

I suppose you are right because we have never seen Storm try to lift Mjolnir. But seeing as how several very noble, worthy, selfless characters have tried and failed to lift Mjolnir over the years I think its fair to assume that someone can't lift Mjolnir until they acctually do.

I think you'd agree.

 

[bkhedr]

You don't seem to have a counter-argument, just your unfounded and biased opinion. Are you saying, for example, that my comment of Thor having a large ego is "total bs"? Or Storm having a large ego is "total bs"?

Thor is a god. He's allowed to have a big ego.

Storm just believes her own hype. Primitives call you a goddess doesnt give you an excuse to act like one. And while I'm at it, put some shoes on for god's sake! Stupid Hudlin

 

[Ockham]

I suppose you are right because we have never seen Storm try to lift Mjolnir. But seeing as how several very noble, worthy, selfless characters have tried and failed to lift Mjolnir over the years I think its fair to assume that someone can't lift Mjolnir until they acctually do.

I think you'd agree.

Well, I think that the odds are indeed against any hero who tries to lift it (unless previously shown to do so). But truth to be told, I would not get upset in either case (success or failure) if at some point in the future she tried lifting it. For example, she was quite readily accepted as the new god of thunder and possible future queen by the asgardian council, when Loki presented her to them. Loki is good with words, but I'd like to think that the asgardian nobles did recognize something "worthy" in her, too. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Ockham]

Thor is a god. He's allowed to have a big ego.

Storm just believes her own hype. Primitives call you a goddess doesnt give you an excuse to act like one. And while I'm at it, put some shoes on for god's sake! Stupid Hudlin

I think "believes her own hype" is not fair. She lived amongst a Kenyan tribe in which all the others were regular humans, and she alone had the inexplicable, extraordinary power to conjure good weather to help her tribe. For this, she was told to be, and worshipped as, a goddess. How could she have known differently? But she no longer believes to be one. Besides, the concept of god is a bit fuzzy in MU. Isn't any powerful entity, who is worshipped, essentially a god? Who says Thor isn't just another alien who believes the (mutual) hype of asgardians, and the (already extinct) hype of midgardians?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Who says Thor isn't just another alien who believes the (mutual) hype of asgardians, and the (already extinct) hype of midgardians?

Wisdom of the ages and, oh, I dunno, the rough equivalent of ETERNITY to figure it out??

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Thor is a god. He's allowed to have a big ego.

Storm just believes her own hype. Primitives call you a goddess doesnt give you an excuse to act like one. And while I'm at it, put some shoes on for god's sake! Stupid Hudlin

Amen.

And yeah, using that very word is kind of a joke.

 

[Kevin]

Actually...





First page of this very thread. Nice try.

Because she's the good guy, you ****ing asstard! Get your facts straight before you try to prove someone wrong.

 

[Tropico]

Wisdom of the ages and, oh, I dunno, the rough equivalent of ETERNITY to figure it out??

According to Earth X and subsequent series the Marvel gods WERE aliens that took on the shape of the ones talked about in myths. Their "wisdom" and "equivalent of Eternity" didn't help them to figure out anything until Loki tried to convince them and managed to convince Thor. Even then, it sometimes took them tremendous efforts of will not to revert to their "I'm _____ the god of ____". It might not be canon, but at least it is published proof against your speculation.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

According to Earth X and subsequent series the Marvel gods WERE aliens that took on the shape of the ones talked about in myths. Their "wisdom" and "equivalent of Eternity" didn't help them to figure out anything until Loki tried to convince them and managed to convince Thor. Even then, it sometimes took them tremendous efforts of will not to revert to their "I'm _____ the god of ____". It might not be canon, but at least it is published proof against your speculation.

Huh. Really?

My bad for assuming they'd go for something ressembling the actual mythology.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Because she's the good guy, you ****ing asstard! Get your facts straight before you try to prove someone wrong.

Jesus. Calm down. Wasn't the smilie thingy a clue that I'm not on hostile mode?

Oh.

I'm taking it you meant that she would win by default just cause she's one of the good guys?

It's just that I saw severalconsecutive posts of yours saying she would win. Browsed through the whole page and read them and I did notice you switched from 'she wins' to 'she walks away from it'.

Oh well, my bad, I guess. *shrugs*

 

[Kevin]

Sorry.

 

[bkhedr]

I think "believes her own hype" is not fair. She lived amongst a Kenyan tribe in which all the others were regular humans, and she alone had the inexplicable, extraordinary power to conjure good weather to help her tribe. For this, she was told to be, and worshipped as, a goddess. How could she have known differently? But she no longer believes to be one. Besides, the concept of god is a bit fuzzy in MU. Isn't any powerful entity, who is worshipped, essentially a god? Who says Thor isn't just another alien who believes the (mutual) hype of asgardians, and the (already extinct) hype of midgardians?

Good point

 

[bkhedr]

According to Earth X and subsequent series the Marvel gods WERE aliens that took on the shape of the ones talked about in myths. Their "wisdom" and "equivalent of Eternity" didn't help them to figure out anything until Loki tried to convince them and managed to convince Thor. Even then, it sometimes took them tremendous efforts of will not to revert to their "I'm _____ the god of ____". It might not be canon, but at least it is published proof against your speculation.

I dont think thats canon. So its being published doesnt make it proof of anything