Clor gonna get a whuppin!

[BrianWilly]

Why do people act like Storm is just going to be blown willy-nilly by some wind? She's immune to the weather too! We have no idea, absolutely no idea at all, just how good Clor is at controlling the weather. There's no evidence whatsoever that he's more powerful than her in that regard.

 

[supermarvelman]

Thats not how he would beat her in the first place, he would beat her with the powers he has that she doesnt.

 

[BrianWilly]

Like...what? Super-strength? Yeah, good thing Storm's never fought a super-strong opponent in her life. Oh, wait.

 

[supermarvelman]

That doesn't mean **** though. Pretty much what your saying is that super strength doesn't matter when fighting Storm no matter who it is. Thats BS.

 

[BrianWilly]

Okay.

 

[supermarvelman]

I'm just being realistic, I didn't say Clor would definetly beat her with his other abilities, I said that "if" Clor where to beat her it would be with his other abilities like his Super Strength. So lets say somebody beat Cyclops in a fight, does that mean that that same character would beat every energy projector that they fight? No it doesn't. I'm actually giving respect to Storm, in a way, cause if Clor can control the weather I dont think it would compare to hers, so he would rely on other abilities.

 

[bkhedr]

I wouldn't go that far. Jean Grey and Franklin Richards are both Omega level mutants.

So's Iceman and Thor would obliterate him. (didnt he just get pwned in this month's X-men?)

Even if Storm hit Omega level she is still a weather manipulator and Thor is still immune to weather effects.

I guess it comes down to the mutant.

Franlkin and Jean are good examples of Omegas who could potentially (in the case of Jean) and most probably (in the case of Franklin) beat Thor

 

[bkhedr]

Why do people act like Storm is just going to be blown willy-nilly by some wind? She's immune to the weather too! We have no idea, absolutely no idea at all, just how good Clor is at controlling the weather. There's no evidence whatsoever that he's more powerful than her in that regard.

As far as I know Storm is immune to HER OWN weather manipulations. Nothing more, nothing less. If she gets struck by lighting she will burn. (I could be wrong)

As for being blown by the wind how does Storm fly? She manipulates air currents and rinds them. Now what if somene with weather manipulation powers that trump hers tells the wind to drop her? She'll fall like a stone.

Now I dont know what kind of weather control powers Clor has and weather or not he inherited Thor's inherent powers in the cloning process but we know (by Storm's own admission) that Thor's weather control powers are superior to her own. She has to manipulate and goad the weather into doing what she wants. Thor just tells it what to do and it obeys. She's a mutant, he's the God of Thunder.

 

[bkhedr]

Like...what? Super-strength? Yeah, good thing Storm's never fought a super-strong opponent in her life. Oh, wait.

Now i'm not saying that Clor will get a hand on her (again I think she will find a way to beat him) but I think we can all agree that if he did get a hand on her he could just crush her head like a grape and the fight would be over. Sure she's more manuverable in the air and can keep her distance, unless of course he has Thor's weather control powers (which I doubt) and can just tell the winds to keep her grounded.

 

[Locs]

That Thorbot just spilt a multi-storied building in half! I really hope those preview pages aren't the climax of the supposed battle.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm saying Storm being able to pick up Mjolnir is BS.

Thank you.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That doesn't mean **** though. Pretty much what your saying is that super strength doesn't matter when fighting Storm no matter who it is. Thats BS.

Have I mentioned you're my very own Jesus?

 

[Ockham]

I'm saying Storm being able to pick up Mjolnir is BS.

Again, you fail to provide any arguments or explanations for your opinion. That being the case, your opinion doesn't mean much to me.

I, on the other hand, already gave an explanation to why I think Storm does have a chance of lifting Mjolnir whereas heroes like Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc. would likely fail. I'm not saying that she absolutely CAN lift it, simply that she has a better chance at it than the vast majority of the other heroes. As of now, we simply do not know whether Storm can lift it or not.

 

[Ockham]

What I'm saying is that if Storm cant defeat Ironman by freezing or frying his armor or circuits when he's covered in the stuff, why would she beable to beat Clor, who has much less metal and circuits in his body, and most likely has the phsyical attributes of Thor. I just think that if Storm were to try and fry his cybernetic implants, all it would do is destroy the implants that prevent him from killing again, and that would not be good for Storm.

First of all, Iron Man's armor can absorb electricity to recharge its batteries. Secondly, electric currents flow at the surface of a metal conductor, so that Tony would be quite safe from being electrocuted while the current gets transmitted to ground via the outer layers of his armor. Most probably the vital circuitry is placed at the inner layers of the armor, so it should also be well protected from lightning bolts.

Not so if the metal parts are internal. Skin and flesh are reasonably good dielectrics (insulators), and the current likes to travel through any conducting objects that are submerged in the dielectric. In Clor's case, the metal implants in his brain would direct Storm's lightning bolt right into his gray matter. Massive damage to the brain likely ensues.

 

[supermarvelman]

Again, you fail to provide any arguments or explanations for your opinion. That being the case, your opinion doesn't mean much to me.

I, on the other hand, already gave an explanation to why I think Storm does have a chance of lifting Mjolnir whereas heroes like Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc. would likely fail. I'm not saying that she absolutely CAN lift it, simply that she has a better chance at it than the vast majority of the other heroes. As of now, we simply do not know whether Storm can lift it or not.

I'm not trying to state fact, I'll admit that, it's my opinion that Storm being able to pick up Mjolnir would be total BS. I'm not trying to argue, I really cant, cause there is no proof that she can or cant pick it up. IMO, i just dont think she is worthy. Also nothing you have said has been fact so, your OPINION holds as mach water as mine, which is pretty much a cup with a hole in the bottom, so your opinion really doesnt matter to me either.

 

[supermarvelman]

First of all, Iron Man's armor can absorb electricity to recharge its batteries. Secondly, electric currents flow at the surface of a metal conductor, so that Tony would be quite safe from being electrocuted while the current gets transmitted to ground via the outer layers of his armor. Most probably the vital circuitry is placed at the inner layers of the armor, so it should also be well protected from lightning bolts.

Not so if the metal parts are internal. Skin and flesh are reasonably good dielectrics (insulators), and the current likes to travel through any conducting objects that are submerged in the dielectric. In Clor's case, the metal implants in his brain would direct Storm's lightning bolt right into his gray matter. Massive damage to the brain likely ensues.

Well I brought up the whole Ironman thing to have something to compare, I was never stating fact, I was asking a question I wanted answered. Thank you for answering my question, it was never meant to be an argument, so here's another question.

Even if Clor killed Goliath and he is a Clone, would Storm go that far to basically give Clor brain damage or possibly even kill him?

She has faced many villians who have done a lot worse than Clor, and she has not taken it to that level, so why now? Also if she were to do something like that, I think that right there would make her unworthy of picking up Mjolnir. Also with Thor having Asgardian attribute and attribute similar to Thor, I dont think her lightning would do much to his brain or body, it would damage his cybernetic parts, but like I said before, all that would do is basically destroy the cybernetics that hold him back from snapping and killing people.

 

[Ockham]

I'm not trying to state fact, I'll admit that, it's my opinion that Storm being able to pick up Mjolnir would be total BS. I'm not trying to argue, I really cant, cause there is no proof that she can or cant pick it up. IMO, i just dont think she is worthy. Also nothing you have said has been fact so, your OPINION holds as mach water as mine, which is pretty much a cup with a hole in the bottom, so your opinion really doesnt matter to me either.

It seems we are reaching a point where we acknowledge our different opinions and accept that. What mostly bothered me was that when I gave my opinion with some supporting arguments you simply dissed that by saying that's "bs", while not having any actual proof to the contrary -- just your opinion. You could have simply said that you do not agree.

 

[Ockham]

Even if Clor killed Goliath and he is a Clone, would Storm go that far to basically give Clor brain damage or possibly even kill him?

I don't know about Hudlin's Storm, but Claremont's Storm respected life above anything. For example, one time Storm was infected with a brood embryo and faced a huge moral dilemma of whether she should kill it before it kills her (and possibly many others afterwards). Indeed, it might be that her unwillingness to take a life, no matter who/what and under what circumstances, actually disqualifies her of Mjolnir: after all, Thor, Odin, BRB, and even Captain America are familiar with killing and do not hesitate if need be.

 

[Tropico]

I don't know about Hudlin's Storm, but Claremont's Storm respected life above anything. For example, one time Storm was infected with a brood embryo and faced a huge moral dilemma of whether she should kill it before it kills her (and possibly many others afterwards). Indeed, it might be that her unwillingness to take a life, no matter who/what and under what circumstances, actually disqualifies her of Mjolnir: after all, Thor, Odin, BRB, and even Captain America are familiar with killing and do not hesitate if need be.

Storm has changed in that aspect. She almost killed Callisto in that knife fight they had and she took out one of Morrow's hearts (she didn't know she had two at the time) so that she could take out the explosive set in it. Clor is a clone/cyborg, it's very possible that he's not even seen as a he but rather an it, that might make it very easy to go the extra mile and kill him/it. But I doubt that'll happen.

We don't know how Clor's tech parts work. A sufficiently high electrical charge might, as per Supermarvelman's speculation, disable the tech controlling him and take out any "circuit breakers" holding him back. It could also mean that it "fries his circuits" and renders him unusable until "fixed".

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

We don't know how Clor's tech parts work. A sufficiently high electrical charge might, as per Supermarvelman's speculation, disable the tech controlling him and take out any "circuit breakers" holding him back. It could also mean that it "fries his circuits" and renders him unusable until "fixed".

Berserker scenario would've been funny. As if regular Clor wasn't enough of a bloodthirsty sociopath.

But then again, I don't recall any mention of him CW 6, so...

 

[KAD]

Berserker scenario would've been funny. As if regular Clor wasn't enough of a bloodthirsty sociopath.

But then again, I don't recall any mention of him CW 6, so...

You all forget one thing whatever circuits are in clors head were designed by RR, I'm sure he thought far enough ahead to protect them from lightning.

 

[Tropico]

Berserker scenario would've been funny. As if regular Clor wasn't enough of a bloodthirsty sociopath.

But then again, I don't recall any mention of him CW 6, so...

I don't see him as a bloodthirsty sociopath, I think that's giving too much personality to Clor. I think he was programmed to be as effective as possible and they forgot to put stricter limits on him. I wouldn't mind a berserker scenario either. I get the feeling that you're saying the berserker thing to further tarnish a character you're biased against (Storm), but to me it would just be a further point against the SHRA and showcase how the clone is nothing more than a destructive machine that has no place in trying to keep order. It would be a great way to take out the whole clone thing out of the equation.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

HUH...

Refering to your enemies as WRETCHES while beating the f**k out of them qualifies as enjoying yourself in my book.

Kinda fit the bloodthirsty/berserker profile.

And just for the record, I'd be saying the same goddamn thingfor about 95% of heroes trying to fight Clor. I just don't see how the hell Storm can take him down with wind, thunder and rain.

 

[Tropico]

HUH...

Refering to your enemies as WRETCHES while beating the f**k out of them qualifies as enjoying yourself in my book.

Kinda fit the bloodthirsty/berserker profile.

And just for the record, I'd be saying the same goddamn thingfor about 95% of heroes trying to fight Clor. I just don't see how the hell Storm can take him down with wind, thunder and rain.

I saw it as contempt against his enemies, seeing himself as better than them. I can't say if it's because he still sees himself as a deity, he thinks highly of his own power or it's part of his magnanimous attitude towards people that are defying the law. I saw his expressions as disgust against the rebels, not joy at beating them.

To clarify on the berserker scenario.....I took your comment (how it would be funny that he went berserk) as blaming Storm for it since the last posts had to do with what an electrical attack might do/not do to Clor. I saw it as you saying "Hahahaha, Clor goes berserk and causes even more damage because the stupid weather witch attacked him." Get it?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To clarify on the berserker scenario.....I took your comment (how it would be funny that he went berserk) as blaming Storm for it since the last posts had to do with what an electrical attack might do/not do to Clor. I saw it as you saying "Hahahaha, Clor goes berserk and causes even more damage because the stupid weather witch attacked him." Get it?

Oh.

I didn't mean to call Storm stupid for trying.

I meant it more in a 'OMG, she was our best shot!!! WTF do we do now????!!!!!' capacity.