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College...do we really need it?

The Runaway

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If college was really as important then why is it that 20-30 years ago, you could make a life for yourself with just a high school diploma. Now it seems that if you don't get a college degree, you are a failure. I think this is a little unfair to today's younger generation and puts even more pressure on the next generation. No wonder there are so many sucicidial emo kids out there. Comments? Rebutals?
 
STay in School and don't do drugs:up:
 
If we don't need it, then I am wasting alot of money. :( :up:

And yeah no drugs or Mr T. will cut you.
 
And take your damn vitamins too!
 
PWN3R RANGER said:
If we don't need it, then I am wasting alot of money. :( :up:

You are wasting a lot of money.
 
Yeah,you don't need it if youre ok with sucking at life.:o*













*this is actually a joke,and it's sad that I'd have to even point this out.:(
 
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My dad doesn't even have a high school diploma and makes 60,000 a year. More than most Bachalors and Masters degree people out there. One of my friends makes $25 an hour and 70,000 a year with only a class A and Crane license and permit. 15 years ago it was in demand to have people with college educations in businesses but now its become sooo cliche to go to college and graduate that employers don't even look for that anymore. The number 1 aspect an employer looks for now in applicants is experience.
 
PWN3R RANGER said:
If we don't need it, then I am wasting alot of money. :( :up:
as am I. and even worse, I'm learning more on court tv then i am in class (i'm a criminal justice major)
 
E. Bison said:
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My dad doesn't even have a high school diploma and makes 60,000 a year. More than most Bachalors and Masters degree people out there. One of my friends makes $25 an hour and 70,000 a year with only a class A and Crane license and permit. 15 years ago it was in demand to have people with college educations in businesses but now its become sooo cliche to go to college and graduate that employers don't even look for that anymore. The number 1 aspect an employer looks for now in applicants is experience.
well thats my point, but for me personally, my father now makes over 100,000 a year, but before that he was makeing 80,000 as a police office, whith only a high school diploma. For me to even get an interview with the same police department, i need 60 college credits. I'm wasting my time in a class room, when i could be getting on the job experience.
 
E. Bison said:
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My dad doesn't even have a high school diploma and makes 60,000 a year. More than most Bachalors and Masters degree people out there. One of my friends makes $25 an hour and 70,000 a year with only a class A and Crane license and permit. 15 years ago it was in demand to have people with college educations in businesses but now its become sooo cliche to go to college and graduate that employers don't even look for that anymore. The number 1 aspect an employer looks for now in applicants is experience.

your dad owns....
 
I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting an education, especially since tomorrow's world is getting smaller and smaller(telecommunications, business, etc). But, yeah it's such a scam, it's almost not funny.
 
Not really. I never needed an excuse to get drunk and do something stoupid.
 
While having street-smarts is an important quality to excel in life, having a degree and having street-smarts will get you higher.

It's not a matter of being smarter because you graduated from a good college, but formal education influences a person's line of thinking. It doesn't matter the degree, but a good college education teaches a person critical and analytical thinking.

Yes, one can excel without a college degree. But only if one is cut out for it. Otherwise, all things being equal, a college degree holder trumps a non-holder anytime.
 
One necessary doesn't need it, especially considering that at the end of the day those who don't go to college don't start off their lives with a large debt to first clear.

Saying this, we have been given the idea that in certain trades, what is required to get into it is a certain qualification which really doesn't show anything rather than you have the capacity to do various skilled jobs under pressure.

Although personally i feel that even a basic degree isn't enough for some of these requirements.

Last year I had to sit and watch a bunch of Bachelor (i suppose you yanks would call them major) students give a presentation based on their dissertations and they all had pretty much no idea whatso ever was going on, with no background history or basic knowledge of the area. They couldn't answer any of the questions and didn't gain any basic results. I just thought to myself these people are going to be the Leading Aeronautical Engineers of the world, making planes that you and I are going to be flying on.

I just hope when they get their high paid jobs that their on board training counts for much more than their degree did.

saying that, in hindsight i feel my Master's degree was a load of balls as well, and even my first year PhD. I gues my views on education and qualifications are sliding at an exponential rate. It's true what they say, the higher you get with education, the less you really know.

I'm definitely less sure about the workings of an Aircraft than i was when i was 18 and dead eager to learn. I wish i was slapped straight into a job way back then instead.
 
This is really debatable...College is very over rated and my employers only care about expierence, but that's not saying every employer.
 
E. Bison said:
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My dad doesn't even have a high school diploma and makes 60,000 a year. More than most Bachalors and Masters degree people out there. One of my friends makes $25 an hour and 70,000 a year with only a class A and Crane license and permit. 15 years ago it was in demand to have people with college educations in businesses but now its become sooo cliche to go to college and graduate that employers don't even look for that anymore. The number 1 aspect an employer looks for now in applicants is experience.

Not that I'm doubing you but $25 an hour equates to $52,000 a year. $70,000 is $33.65 an hour. Or does he get overtime and bonuses?

Anyways for any of the big jobs, doctors, laywers, engineers, you are going to have to gave at least a 4 year degree.

Do you some people need college obviously not? But kid it's the sign of the times and even the Police needs you to have at least 2 years of college. Suck it up.
 
Yup. Times they are a-cha-changing.
 
No. Young adults can find other ways of getting drunk, wasting years of their life, spending thousands of their parents' dollars for nothing worthwhile and thinking of themselves as being better and smarter than everyone else because of a silly piece of paper hanging on a wall. :o
 
The Runaway said:
If college was really as important then why is it that 20-30 years ago, you could make a life for yourself with just a high school diploma. Now it seems that if you don't get a college degree, you are a failure. I think this is a little unfair to today's younger generation and puts even more pressure on the next generation. No wonder there are so many sucicidial emo kids out there. Comments? Rebutals?

Social Darwinism. Today's age is so much more technological, it does take longer on average for people to get enough education to have a chance. That's pretty much it.
 
Meh, if i go to college i most likely will have to pay for it all myself. And i sure won't waste it...
 
The Runaway said:
If college was really as important then why is it that 20-30 years ago, you could make a life for yourself with just a high school diploma. Now it seems that if you don't get a college degree, you are a failure. I think this is a little unfair to today's younger generation and puts even more pressure on the next generation. No wonder there are so many sucicidial emo kids out there. Comments? Rebutals?

It's because of the almighty dollar. You have to stretch out what you could learn in 2 years throughout a 4 year span of taking meaningless classes that have nothing to do with your major to pay for all the professor's high paychecks.
 
I wouldn't agree with E. Bison either. Sure there ARE jobs out there that can potentially pay more than college degrees, but when he says "todays jobs aren't looking for college" and he's talking about a crane operator, go figure. Plus, most masters only make around 50 k starting out, sure, but some can make over 100k or more.
 
8Ball2/JanG5 said:
Social Darwinism. Today's age is so much more technological, it does take longer on average for people to get enough education to have a chance. That's pretty much it.
Yes, it's depressing. There's a good chance i won't even graduate highschool.
Both my parents are drop outs and they've maganged to be decently sucessfull at what they do. But if i drop out, i'm pretty much screwed.
 
The Runaway said:
If college was really as important then why is it that 20-30 years ago, you could make a life for yourself with just a high school diploma. Now it seems that if you don't get a college degree, you are a failure. I think this is a little unfair to today's younger generation and puts even more pressure on the next generation. No wonder there are so many sucicidial emo kids out there. Comments? Rebutals?




College does not dispite what many people believe seperate you from the crowd.

What's a resume? A piece of paper you show someone to ask them how much your worth.

What's the Biggest lie in america?
Go to school get a good education and get a good job and you'll be okay.




Do yourself a favor get involved in business ownership not managment and take advice from people that have what you want in life.

A college proffessor making 30-40,000 a year cant teach you how to make a quarter million dollars.
 
Okay for those of you giving advice that you really don't need college? What jobs do you think one could get for someone who doesn't want to go to college and still make good money and where does one start? I'm aware of some jobs that don't really require a college degree but I'm curious as to what you think besides saying college is a waste.
 

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