College Professor Fired for not respecting bible

[teseract]

Please give scriptures for your two about bats being birds and hares chewing the cud.

Buddy, big mistake!

In terms of the argument at least!

 

[Steve Rogers]

I don't know what's worse...this post or the one after it deeming it brilliant.

So if it's in a book that only a fraction of the people on Earth believe; it's true? But if it's in a movie; it's not true? So, basically if a Christian believes it, then it must be true? I love that mentality. It reminds me why I am not a Christian.

 

[Kritish]

The bat quote is real. It's one of the most debated and argued verses in the OT.

Debate? No I'm pretty sure the debate is over, bats are not birds.

 

[The Chairman]

I meant its meaning is debated. I agree though that there's nothing to debate. Anyone who approaches it as a historical or scientific text is asking for trouble. It should be approached as a man-made written religious text, and any other interpretation should be made by the reader.

 

[Kritish]

Please give scriptures for your two about bats being birds and hares chewing the cud.

For bats: Leviticus 11:19 "And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat."

For rabbits: Leviticus 11:6 "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."

 

[Kritish]

I meant its meaning is debated. I agree though that there's nothing to debate. Anyone who approaches it as a historical or scientific text is asking for trouble. It should be approached as a man-made written religious text, and any other interpretation should be made by the reader.

But that’s the problem, countless people treat the Bible as historical and scientific fact.

 

[Addendum]

http://dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070925/NEWS02/709250379/1001

From the article: "Often, these students are essentially right out of high school and they take things so personally," Bitterman said. "They really can't distinguish between a critical assessment of their argument and an attack upon them personally."

I agree totally. And the second part of that quote is true for some on this board.

 

[Steve Rogers]

But that’s the problem, countless people treat the Bible as historical and scientific fact.

And those same people treat scientific fact like it's bull*****

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Please give scriptures for your two about bats being birds and hares chewing the cud.

Why don't you Christians ever read your Bible?
It is so insane that I'm constantly having to teach YOU all about what the Bible says.
Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Leviticus 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls
Leviticus 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

[Kritish]

Leviticus 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls
Leviticus 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

I posted those already.

 

[Danalys]

i don't know maybe it's like the tail like a ceder thing that is actually about the animal's virility.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I posted those already.

Don't be embarrassed.

 

[jaguarr]

Wait. He tried to encourage critical thinking in his students!? Burn him alive!!!

jag

 

[Kritish]

Don't be embarrassed.

Wait, I thought that was the oral sex smilie.

 

[Danalys]

people seem to use it as the snooty smiley.

 

[Kritish]

Wait. He tried to encourage critical thinking in his students!? Burn him alive!!!

jag

I know, that slippery slope could lead to free-thought if we’re not careful! How dare that man make them think through their world views!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I know, that slippery slope could lead to free-thought if we’re not careful!

And that would make us storm out of class crying.

 

[Sloth7d]

Okay, Kristen Fry can go to Hell.
I'd like to give her something to cry about.

Does this mean you believe in God? J/K

 

[Addendum]

Does this mean you believe in God? J/K

Don't you know Hell is a town? And it has a zipcode: 48169

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Does this mean you believe in God? J/K

No, I want her to go to the Hell of the 7 spinning blades.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Read and repent! READ AND REPENT!

 

[Sloth7d]

Don't you know Hell is a town? And it has a zipcode: 48169

Now I need to apologize to those tele-marketers.

 

[CristoTheSecond]

For bats: Leviticus 11:19 "And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat."

For rabbits: Leviticus 11:6 "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."

François Bourlière (The Natural History of Mammals, 1964, page 41) says: "The habit of ‘refection,’ or passing the food twice through the intestine instead of only once, seems to be a common phenomenon in the rabbits and hares. Domestic rabbits usually eat and swallow without chewing their night droppings, which form in the morning as much as half the total contents of the stomach. In the wild rabbit refection takes place twice daily, and the same habit is reported for the European hare." In this regard, the work Mammals of the World (by E. P. Walker, 1964, Volume II, page 647) states: "This may be similar to ‘chewing the cud’ in ruminant mammals."

 

[Carcharodon]

François Bourlière (The Natural History of Mammals, 1964, page 41) says: "The habit of ‘refection,’ or passing the food twice through the intestine instead of only once, seems to be a common phenomenon in the rabbits and hares. Domestic rabbits usually eat and swallow without chewing their night droppings, which form in the morning as much as half the total contents of the stomach. In the wild rabbit refection takes place twice daily, and the same habit is reported for the European hare." In this regard, the work Mammals of the World (by E. P. Walker, 1964, Volume II, page 647) states: "This may be similar to ‘chewing the cud’ in ruminant mammals."

Yes, rabbits eat their poop. It's not cud. Similar is not equivalent.

 

[EdRyder]

This bugs me-
2nd Time this was posted-2nd Time its left unchallenged-Im convinced you guys just like the idea you can "say" we were founded as a Christian Nation,without ever providing any documented proof to support that claim..
Much like the rest of your beliefs

Quotes from James Madison, fourth president of the United States:

"It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov't from interfence in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespasses on its legal rights by others." - James Madison, "James Madison on Religious Liberty", edited by Robert S. Alley, ISBN 0-8975-298-X. pp. 237-238.

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." - "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." - 1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches


Quotes from John Adams, second president of the United States:

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" - letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" - letter to Thomas Jefferson

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes." - letter to John Taylor

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"

"Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?" - letter to Thomas Jefferson

"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"

". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."


Quotes from Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States:

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia"

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests." - to John Adams, 1803

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." - to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind." - to Carey, 1816

"Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself." - in his private journal, Feb. 1800

"It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it." - to Carey, 1816

"The priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, are as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore." - to Story, Aug. 4, 1820

"The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.
1. That there are three Gods.
2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, is nothing.
3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit the faith.
4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save." - to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822

"Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a common censor over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia"

"Creeds have been the bane of the Christian church ... made of Christendom a slaughter-house." - to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822

"Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and bloody persecutions."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac."

"The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." - to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823

"They [preachers] dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live."

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ."

"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever." - Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

"... I am not afraid of priests. They have tried upon me all their various batteries of pious whining, hypocritical canting, lying and slandering. I have contemplated their order from the Magi of the East to the Saints of the West and I have found no difference of character, but of more or less caution, in proportion to their information or ignorance on whom their interested duperies were to be played off. Their sway in New England is indeed formidable. No mind beyond mediocrity dares there to develop itself." - letter to Horatio Spofford, 1816

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." - letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." - letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT "The Complete Jefferson" by Saul K. Padover, pp 518-519


Quote from George Washington, first president of the United States under the Constitution:

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." - letter to Edward Newenham, 1792


Quotes from Benjamin Franklin, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States:

"I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did." - letter to his father, 1738

". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it." - "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", 1728

"I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity." - Works, Vol. VII, p. 75

"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here (England) and in New England."

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - in Poor Richard's Almanac

"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."

"I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."


Quote from Abraham Lincoln, sixteenth president of the United States:

"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."