Superman Returns Comparisons of Hair, suits, etc....(merged)

[The Kid]

I agree with Kane on that Michael O' Hearn a terrible Superman. He may look like the comic book Supes come to life, but he can't act crap. I prefer someone with talent & in athletic shape than a musclebound porn star with no talent. O' Hearn will never be that good of an actor Routh is.

Mike did a good job. I'd love to see any of us do as well or better for a fun little fan film like that.

Now let's see what the new guy can do.

 

[Kane]

Am I to believe that Bosworth is a jaded Pulitzer Prize winning veteran journalist and has now moved on to a family life? She looks barely 20.

She pulled off Sandra Dee in 'Beyond the Sea' to when the character was 30.......what makes you think she cant when you see the film?

 

[Kane]

Mike did a good job. I'd love to see any of us do as well or better for a fun little fan film like that.

He was decent for fanfilm standards.... horrible for 200 mil motion picture standards. I heard he posted on his website that he tried to audition for the role too....looks like he learned it the hard way.

 

[Comicfan]

The only true to comics sized Superman we've gotten. But everybody labels him a musclebound steroid oof but I think he was pretty good.

He´s acting was very lame... and he looks ridiculos as Clark Kent is seems like he is about to rip off that suit

 

[Comicfan]

Except for the fact that World's Finest was a trailer! Nothing more. It wasnt scenes cut out of an actual film.

Sandy filmed these scenes specifically alone, there was nothing else.....and THAT was the best he could get out of the pornstar?

He sucks.

Singer could just have easiler hired some talentless body builder but he went with acting skill first (so he claims here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PY4BMj7bqU) Personally Im so thankful he did.

Really?...WF is just a trailer?.... I tought it was a whole movie......I know it wasn´t that good, but i think, it would have been fun to see it

BTW is the Batman in WF Clark Bartram or some other guy?

 

[dark_b]

i only saw the trailer and i never found where to download the whole movie.
now you are telling me that it was never a movie but just a trailer????????????

 

[The Kid]

the batman is Bartram. I can't remember why, but I just don't like Bartram for some reason. Maybe it's the name bartram.

 

[Spare-Flair]

Guys, guys. It's only a trailer. That's all there ever was.

WF is for those people want want the comic book brought to life.
SR is for people who want a Superhero major motion picture.

I'm of the former camp because I value comic sensibilties. imagery, and conventions over Superhero movie conventions and no, we probably can't have both in the same place because a true comic book movie would never satisfy the average public audience...nor a lot of people here apparentely. The portrayal of Clark and Superman by Michael O'Hearn was stiff but he's basically doing what Sandy told him to do: copy iconic images of still artwork and thats why every shot is trying to be a comic panel or a ripoff of Alex Ross or something.

But those are the same reasons that I dislike SR. The image just doesn't fit in my mind and therefore, nomatter the quality of the acting, plot, special effects, etc...it will never be a quintessential Superman comic film to me. Just another superhero film.

 

[Spare-Flair]

lol haha, it all makes sense now:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209427

....interesting

Well at least you got your buddy Bareknucklez on your side

Yep, I posted that I loved World's Finest a long time ago. Whe hell is Bareknucklez? There are a few more supporters of WF in that thread.

 

[Spare-Flair]

Cause the character has changed....shes engaged and has a child.

Exactly, and that's never been Lois Lane in any format we know of her in either comics, films, or series besides the odd Superman is a Jerk comic from the 50s/60s where he marries girls, knocks them up, and ditches them for a quick humourous byline on a silly comic book cover...or an Elseworld's Story. That's another problem with Lois as per this incarnation of her but we'll see how it turns out.

 

[Kane]

Dont be such a comicbook nerd. Youve got to remember some elements dont translate well from the comics into 200 million dollar films. I have faith in Singer as a director.....he probably has a better sense of reality and objectivity over someone who wants a direct translation of the comics onto the bigscreens (which are only a few distinguished individiuals on here).

The trend right now is adapting comic book properties to making them as close to reality as possible.....its what seperates the Batman Begins from the 90s Bat flicks.......and Superman Returns from the horrible ideas tossed around in the 90s.

Director Richard Lester was obsessed with making movies directly based off the comics (without the human elements of Donner's work). Chris made it clear that Richard wanted Superman III to be a comicbook movie in all aspects..............it didnt turn out that well, infact...it sucked.

Singer seems to have done everything humanly possible to avoid that disaster and part of that is using actors that actually have talent (that can play characters with depth.....since Singer's films are very character driven).

To me Brandon Routh looks just as much as Superman as Chris in the first film. Their build is exactly the same, though Brandon looks larger with the suit added....their height about the same. Brandon actually looks better as CK than Reeve did. Brandon also gets to play Smallville Clark, something that Chris didnt.

And its definately in the realm of possibilities (given the depth of the character) that Brandon could deliver a much stronger performance than Chris ever did (since Chris' Superman wasnt as character driven and one dimensional).

Brandon looks his about his age and could pass for late 20s, is that young? Possibly....but thats around the right age for the role. Considering the character spent about 4-5 years in cryogenic statis (according to the novel and top cards), he didnt actually get much older since he left. Therefore Brandon's age range is accurate.

This film and Brandon both have alot going for them, its really useless to expect a comic version on the screen.....it just doesnt work that way. Bale looked nothing like the Bruce Wayne of the comics and the costume was a major departure....but that defiantely didnt stop me from loving that kickass film....It owned the films before it and became an instant classic....and it outdid alot of elements from the source material. Even post-infinite crisis adjusted to Bruce learning that Joe Chill killed his parents and going to Chill's trial. Something obviously brought back through inspiration from the film.

Sometimes change is in the best interest of the product.

 

[Spare-Flair]

Dont be such a comicbook nerd. Youve got to remember some elements dont translate well from the comics into 200 million dollar films. I have faith in Singer as a director.....he probably has a better sense of reality and objectivity over someone who wants a direct translation of the comics onto the bigscreens (which are only a few distinguished individiuals on here).

The trend right now is adapting comic book properties to making them as close to reality as possible.....its what seperates the Batman Begins from the 90s Bat flicks.......and Superman Returns from the horrible ideas tossed around in the 90s.

Director Richard Lester was obsessed with making movies directly based off the comics (without the human elements of Donner's work). Chris made it clear that Richard wanted Superman III to be a comicbook movie in all aspects..............it didnt turn out that well, infact...it sucked.

Singer seems to have done everything humanly possible to avoid that disaster and part of that is using actors that actually have talent (that can play characters with depth.....since Singer's films are very character driven).

To me Brandon Routh looks just as much as Superman as Chris in the first film. Their build is exactly the same, though Brandon looks larger with the suit added....their height about the same. Brandon actually looks better as CK than Reeve did. Brandon also gets to play Smallville Clark, something that Chris didnt.

And its definately in the realm of possibilities (given the depth of the character) that Brandon could deliver a much stronger performance than Chris ever did (since Chris' Superman wasnt as character driven and one dimensional).

Brandon looks his about his age and could pass for late 20s, is that young? Possibly....but thats around the right age for the role. Considering the character spent about 4-5 years in cryogenic statis (according to the novel and top cards), he didnt actually get much older since he left. Therefore Brandon's age range is accurate.

This film and Brandon both have alot going for them, its really useless to expect a comic version on the screen.....it just doesnt work that way. Bale looked nothing like the Bruce Wayne of the comics and the costume was a major departure....but that defiantely didnt stop me from loving that kickass film....It owned the films before it and became an instant classic....and it outdid alot of elements from the source material. Even post-infinite crisis adjusted to Bruce learning that Joe Chill killed his parents and going to Chill's trial. Something obviously brought back through inspiration from the film.

Sometimes change is in the best interest of the product.

I have to mention here that I love Superman III - people will probably use it against me, but I can't help it because it was filmed in my city and seeing some of it up close are some of my first memories in life, ever. That wasn't even a comic book movie - that was a 1980s buddy comedy.

Batman is another story, because the comic book Batman has changed costumes and vehicles almost every couple of issues and has changed so considerably through the years, there is no definitive image of him. But Superman doesn't have a mask, he doesn't have anything other than Clark's glasses, his hairstyle, his costume. And, yes again I'd be a broken record to go into all the things we've discussed about that look.

Quite simply, Routh CAN fit the look, I like the guy. I just don't like the choices they have made in regard to costume, hair, etc. that have accentuated his weaknesses and driven it from the classic and recognizable Superman look and I know many people who agree with me despite what people say on SHH. Without that look, it simply isn't proper Superman to me. That's simply it. Build, height, age, all fine and perfect. Costume and hairstyle...and the way he is filmed? Derails the entire movie for and that's simply it. It's not Brandon's fault, I think he's a great pick for the role with potential.

As for Begins, you could tell that Nolan and especially Goyer worked hard to make the film have as many homages to the comics as possible. I saw so many scenes and direct lines taken directly from comics I had read over the years (not just Year One) that it was great. My problem is that everything I've seen so far is that Singer is taking nothing from the comics and everything from Superman 1978. I'm not a big fan of Superman I or II in many respects, especially when dealing with the campy Hackman's Luthor and the end of the film. We appear to be getting the direct spiritual sequel (to be fair, as Singer stated it was) in SR. To me Superman I and II were pretty far removed from the comics...well maybe they were okay pre-crisis fare...but it's been almost 30 years since then! I want something fresh, something more akin to the characterizations we've had in the comics since then, but most importantly, I want the traditional image of Superman that hasn't changed significantly for decades.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

As I have said before if you dont like any of the choices why the hell are you wasting all of our time & yours when all you do is complain & whine about every single little thing ? Why dont you hang around in Forums with Movies you actually are looking forward to ? Every single post here you do is whning & complaining about something. You should ask an admin to ban you from ONLY the Superman Returns Forums that will save us all the trouble

 

[Spare-Flair]

As I have said before if you dont like any of the choices why the hell are you wasting all of our time & yours when all you do is complain & whine about every single little thing ? Why dont you hang around in Forums with Movies you actually are looking forward to ? Every single post here you do is whning & complaining about something. You should ask an admin to ban you from ONLY the Superman Returns Forums that will save us all the trouble

Because you people keep goading me into it. I replied in this thread defending World's Finest against raw insults and that's all I wanted to do. Then everybody had to go "World's Finest sucks compared to Superman Returns". What am I supposed to do but state how I feel about the two?

There are plenty of people who agree with me or are willing to discuss things instead of just trying to stamp it out, if you check out the majority of this thread or some other thread... but it's always the same three or four people who reply to my posts in frustration like you. If you don't want to waste your time reading it, then don't. I think I'm being perfectly fair, diplomatic, and realistic in what I say.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

Because you people keep goading me into it. I replied in this thread defending World's Finest against raw insults and that's all I wanted to do. Then everybody had to go "World's Finest sucks compared to Superman Returns". What am I supposed to do but state how I feel about the two?

Thats where ignoring things come in handy & if you stopped coming here in general you wont have this problem or as I said ask a Mod to ban you from these Forums only & all problems are solved. You bring that on yourself to get caught up in these types of things. How would you feel if someone posted in the Ghost Rider Forums just to post **** about Ghost Rider & say how bad every single decision is ?

 

[Spare-Flair]

Thats where ignoring things come in handy & if you stopped coming here in general you wont have this problem or as I said ask a Mod to ban you from these Forums only & all problems are solved. You bring that on yourself to get caught up in these types of things. How would you feel if someone posted in the Ghost Rider Forums just to post **** about Ghost Rider & say how bad every single decision is ?

I would eagerly get into a discussion with him and see his point of view and thoroughly enjoy it. Nothing is perfect in the world and everything merits praise AND criticism as long as it's carried out in proper decorum. I've never directed anything rash against you, I think you may be taking things a little too personally.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

everything merits praise AND criticism.

What you are doing is not criticism. Your complaining about every single little detail imaginable about this Movie

 

[Kane]

Dude. I can already confirm to you there will be a sh^tload of homages to the history of Superman comics in SR (the tribute to Action #1 with Routh lifting the car is my favorite)....it just isnt a fullblown comicbook movie.

You cant really use the slight changes in Batman's costume to justify anything. Batman didnt wear an armored suit in the comics like in Begins (not counting Azarel) and whatever fluxuations in the comic costume design were minor.

On the same accord, the Superman costume as varied quite a bit in the comics also. Different artists draw it differently, some with Neal Adam's inspired classic looks [Jim Lee draws a smaller sleeker sheild], Alex Ross draws a hugeass shield and puts Supes in a leotard...

Throughout time, the suit has changed drastically too and is currently changing in the comics right now (observe issue 4 of Superman OYL: Up, Up and Away).

I think fans should be thankful we got such a classic-inspired suit for Returns after all the aborted plans for some suits pretty far removed from the traditional stuff.... The returns suit at least maintains aspects of the traditional familar look while modernizing it to fit the look of the film (in color and style).

As far as you liking Superman III, whatever does it for you. The fact is, that concept probably wouldnt fly well with the majority of fans and definately not the general mainstream audience (who arent as engrossed in the comics as we are).

I didnt even read a DC comic till last year. Batman Begins got me into DC again. I was pretty much in that mainstream audience (who didnt know jack about the comics)...and now I know all. So this process does work.

 

[Kane]

What you are doing is not criticism. Your complaining about every single little detail imaginable about this Movie

lol when he complained about hair. That was my favorite..... "my biggest problem of all is his hair.......today"

 

[Spare-Flair]

What you are doing is not criticism. Your complaining about every single little detail imaginable about this Movie

Then you haven't read my posts clearly enough. I'm only bringing up discussion about little details like hair, costume, CG integration in a few scenes, plot elements carried over from the old movies. Basic design choices. That's it. Because you haven't heard me praising things doesn't mean I don't like those parts of the film. I love the Smallville scenes with both young and old Clark. I love design choices with the FOS, the Daily Planet looks great. Jimmy is a great casting choice as well.

Kane - yep, I decided the hair is the biggest problem for me. The others are still there but I can live with them if only the hair would change.

Now lets go back to page 22 and get this thread back on topic (note other people were talking about the hair and I had nothing to do with it and didn't say a single thing about SR contrary to what you probably imagine)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230252&page=22

 

[Kane]

Kane - yep, I decided the hair is the biggest problem for me. The others are still there but I can live with them if only the hair would change.

And whats the issue with the hair again?

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

I give up. You have fun doing what your doing

 

[Spare-Flair]

And whats the issue with the hair again?

see page 22, or:

bottom right corner is my manip. Blacker (vs brown) and more natural looking hair versus greased back which accentuates the boyish look. His best hair in the film is the natural looking scenes with old Clark on the farm and when Superman is falling through the air.

 

[Spare-Flair]

I give up. You have fun doing what your doing

And you don't have to take it so seriously. Chill out.

 

[Nivek]

Is this valid complaints, or building up a post count?