Constantine

[블라스]

God No... Best hope is for an HBO series closer to the comic book, that'd kick ass!

Let's burn that bridge for a Watchmen mini-series, is what I say

 

[Darthphere]

Add an extra zero to that number and that would be my assessment


I just wasn't a huge fan of the movie not only because it wasn't a good adaptation of the source, but because the movie copied a lot of plot elements from other media like the Prophecy, Blade, Buffy, Angel, etc.

As a stand alone movie I like it but its not Hellblazer. I also like a lot of crappy movies, but im not sure if this is one of them.

 

[Movies205]

That doesn't make the comic better for some people.
Nor would Keanu's acting or whatever make the movie better than the comic.
So let's stop with the "OMG THE COMIC IS BETTER, LOOZERS!" trolling, please.
This is NOT a "Hellblazer vs. Constantine....FIGHT!" thread.

Chill out this is a discussion thread, all of hte points brought up by Eric Draven have been mroe valid than anything in this thread which has been "Shut up your a loser the movie Rocks!", this is a discussion, discussion involve differences in opinion. People need to learn to handle that...

 

[Eric Draven]

God No... Best hope is for an HBO series closer to the comic book, that'd kick ass!

Oh I would totally love that. Or even a BBC series

 

[Movies205]

Let's burn that bridge for a Watchmen mini-series, is what I say

Watchmen is better as a movie IMO, for people who understand the medium, the concept, and not afraid to make changes. Movies are different than books, I'd say just focus on Owl-Man, make everyone else supporting and you'd have a hell of a 2 hour and a half movie

 

[Movies205]

Yeah see Constantine works great as a series because it can be done low-budget and it's more of an adventures type deal.

 

[Eric Draven]

As a stand alone movie I like it but its not Hellblazer. I also like a lot of crappy movies, but im not sure if this is one of them.

Oh totally. It's not Hellblazer at all.

What's funny though is that if they had actually made a proper Hellblazer film, it probably could've been made with half the budget of Constantine and could've earned a pretty good return thus almost ensuring a sequel. I really think the 100 million dollar budget for Constantine kind of squashed any chances for future films....

 

[Movies205]

JAck I like how we've had this conversations hundreds of times before and the passion never dies

 

[iceberg325]

Oh totally. It's not Hellblazer at all.

What's funny though is that if they had actually made a proper Hellblazer film, it probably could've been made with half the budget of Constantine and could've earned a pretty good return thus almost ensuring a sequel. I really think the 100 million dollar budget for Constantine kind of squashed any chances for future films....

I think what it was is not enough people knew about hellblazer. The studio probably felt that they needed to make it appeal to the mass audience, explaining why they felt like adding alot of CGi.

 

[Eric Draven]

That just shows how much I really like the character. It's why I spent a ****load of time and money amassing an entire run of Hellblazer and getting the various comics he's appeared in

 

[블라스]

Chill out this is a discussion thread, all of hte points brought up by Eric Draven have been mroe valid than anything in this thread which has been "Shut up your a loser the movie Rocks!", this is a discussion, discussion involve differences in opinion. People need to learn to handle that...

I am chilled.
We've talked, dude.
It's just that it bothers me a bit when comicbook people basically call movie people losers because they like something, or viceversa, and we're doing both things in here.
We should just talk about the best aspects of each version, not indulge in fanboy quarrels, which you yourself hate.
And you didn't post in my Odd Couple thread

 

[Movies205]

I think what it was is not enough people knew about hellblazer. The studio probably felt that they needed to make it appeal to the mass audience, explaining why they felt like adding alot of CGi.

It has nothin do with to do with mass appeal, it had to with Akiva Goldman raping **** per usual. And people who had no diea what constantine is about making it into the usual cliche occult stuff.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah that's the comic....satan is in a kid's disguise and gets constantine hooked on cigarettes, only to find constantine stole his packet


speaking as someone with friends from liverpool, believe me, you do NOT want to hear one on the big screen....it's pretty harsh on the ears

Cheeky BASTARD!!!!!!

 

[Darthphere]

Oh totally. It's not Hellblazer at all.

What's funny though is that if they had actually made a proper Hellblazer film, it probably could've been made with half the budget of Constantine and could've earned a pretty good return thus almost ensuring a sequel. I really think the 100 million dollar budget for Constantine kind of squashed any chances for future films....

Yeah, I didnt even mind Keanu Reevs as Constantine that much honestly, there were a lot of nice Hellblazer like moments in the movie like him trapping that spider under his drinking glass. But overall it was just another CGI buffet.

 

[Movies205]

I am chilled.
We've talked, dude.
It's just that it bothers me a bit when comicbook people basically call movie people losers because they like something, or viceversa, both of which is exactly what we're doing here.
We should just talk about the best aspects of each version, not indulge in fanboy quarrels, which you yourself hate.
And you didn't post in my Odd Couple thread

I am a movie person above all, I look at the movie Constantine and I've already said it in past points... It's a mediocre movie, not outrightly terrible, but any artist will tell you that mediocrity is the worse thing you could get, it's like luke-warm coffee, you either have it cold or hot.

Pros:
-Decent Visual Style

Cons:
-The entire movie is cliche after cliche

I did like the unisex Gabriel though...

 

[Eric Draven]

I think what it was is not enough people knew about hellblazer. The studio probably felt that they needed to make it appeal to the mass audience, explaining why they felt like adding alot of CGi.

But it shouldn't have cost that much to make that film, particularly one that is not very well-known and is based off of a comic for "mature readers".

Blade was made for half the budget of Constantine, earned almost the same amount and ended up having two sequels and a tv series-spinoff. The same could've been done with Constantine IMO...

 

[블라스]

Watchmen is better as a movie IMO, for people who understand the medium, the concept, and not afraid to make changes. Movies are different than books, I'd say just focus on Owl-Man, make everyone else supporting and you'd have a hell of a 2 hour and a half movie

You know the fanboys would cry "RORSHACH!!!!"

 

[Movies205]

Gammy, RORSHACH would not work as a main character because he's took ****ed up in the head and it'd ruin his character, he's best used as a supporting character to keep his mystery, nad just throw in a scene of Owlman visiting him in prison(Which he might have done I don't remember, I don't think so) but to me Owlman was the most interesting character of the whole thing plus the whole thing is tie to him anyway.

 

[블라스]

I am a movie person above all, I look at the movie Constantine and I've already said it in past points... It's a mediocre movie, not outrightly terrible, but any artist will tell you that mediocrity is the worse thing you could get, it's like luke-warm coffee, you either have it cold or hot.

Pros:
-Decent Visual Style

Cons:
-The entire movie is cliche after cliche

I did like the unisex Gabriel though...

Of course it's cliche in some parts, most parts maybe.
That doesn't make the movie any less fun to me, or a lot of people I'm sure.
But we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I am becoming interested in getting the graphic novels, though.

 

[Darthphere]

Watchmen is better as a movie IMO, for people who understand the medium, the concept, and not afraid to make changes. Movies are different than books, I'd say just focus on Owl-Man, make everyone else supporting and you'd have a hell of a 2 hour and a half movie

Except Rorsharch is technically the main character in the book, and thats not a fanboy thing at all. As ive said, I think Watchmen has too much for a movie, but to little to support a mini-series.

 

[블라스]

Gammy, RORSHACH would not work as a main character because he's took ****ed up in the head and it'd ruin his character, he's best used as a supporting character to keep his mystery, nad just throw in a scene of Owlman visiting him in prison(Which he might have done I don't remember, I don't think so) but to me Owlman was the most interesting character of the whole thing plus the whole thing is tie to him anyway.

Oh, I know he couldn't carry the movie by himself.
Yeah, Nite Owl, Manhattan and Ozymandias should be like the main characters.
But my point is, fanboys love Rorshach and you know what would happen.

 

[Movies205]

Except Rorsharch is technically the main character in the book, and thats not a fanboy thing at all. As ive said, I think Watchmen has too much for a movie, but to little to support a mini-series.

Change is good I'm actually all for change in movies, I hate seeing the same story twice, movies are a completely different format then comics they both have there strengths. I think Constantine is a perfect example of when change is bad because they didn't keep it faithful, I think Batman 89' is the perfect example of what to do. Batman 89' is it's own movie, it not limited to the comics but it's faithful to it while carving out it's own mythos.

 

[Darthphere]

Change is good I'm actually all for change in movies, I hate seeing the same story twice, movies are a completely different format then comics they both have there strengths. I think Constantine is a perfect example of when change is bad because they didn't keep it faithful, I think Batman 89' is the perfect example of what to do. Batman 89' is it's own movie, it not limited to the comics but it's faithful to it while carving out it's own mythos.

Youre an Owl fanboy.

 

[블라스]

They should make a movie about the first Nite Owl

 

[Movies205]

Oh, I know he couldn't carry the movie by himself.
Yeah, Nite Owl, Manhattan and Ozymandias should be like the main characters.
But my point is, fanboys love Rorshach and you know what would happen.

I say this lighty but **** the fans It is not our work, I don't pay 10 dollars to see fans work... Fans hate change nad when it's done they love it. For example, "Spiderman has organic webshooters ZOMG", fans, BAH go back to writing fan fiction. I mean don't mistake what I'm saying, critize movies and have your opinions as you should, but I mean this is not our property. I dislike Constantine the movie but WB owns it they can do whatever they want with it, I'm not presumptious enough to have the attitude that "Batman" belongs to everyone and every other popular character.