Constantine

[TheVileOne]

He said Heaven was nothing but "hypocritical bull****," but at the same time he's trying to bargain his way into heaven and he uses HOLY artifacts and symbols as his weapons. Are crucifixes not a sign of faith and belief in God?

If he hates and doesn't like Heaven or God, why would such things work for him?

 

[Horrorfan]

He did kind of have a dislike for Gabriel, but that could have more to do with him being a halfbreed more than anything else....

I thought he hated him/her/it because it was a *****e


But I suppose if it's a choice between going to a peaceful utopia over a demon infested hell hole (literally), hypocritical or not, I 'd know where I'd go...

 

[Eric Draven]

I thought he hated him/her/it because it was a *****e


But I suppose if it's a choice between going to a peaceful utopia over a demon infested hell hole (literally), hypocritical or not, I 'd know where I'd go...

Constantine is different though. Heaven or Hell, it's all the same **** to him. Sometimes he sees Heaven as being an even worse place than Hell because at least Hell doesn't try and pretend to be something that it's not. And that's the main difference the movie got wrong from Dangerous Habits. In DH, Constantine was more concerned about staying alive rather than resigning himself to the fact that he's going to die and that he wants to reserve a spot in Heaven. If he dies and ends up in hell, he doesn't give a ****.

 

[Eric Draven]

What Constantine really thinks of heaven:

There are a few others, but I really can't put them up right now due to some language

 

[TheVileOne]

Something about Constantine's origin they didn't touch on in the movie. Can anyone clarify this for me:

Spoiler

Constantine actually had a twin brother. While they were still in the womb together, it was apparently destiny that this baby would ultimately become the most powerful natural born magic user on the planet. But what happened was that Constantine as an embryo basically ABSORBED his twin and either killed it or made it still-born or something.

The Constantine in the movie made it very black and white, it wasn't grey as it is in the comics.

And why? Because it's a $100 million movie.

I bet they could've honestly made nearly as much money, or spent a hell of a lot less with a British actor and material closer to the comics. More of like a low-budget, surreal type of drama/horror film.

Clive Owen I think would've made an awesome Constantine. Paul Bettany, tons of other actors.

I mean why spend so much freaking money on such a big disappointment when they could've spent LESS money on something that would've been a lot more classic.

Quite frankly I think we are well overdue for a movie with a solid, great anti-hero type character that's very ambiguous. I think Constantine could've been this movie. Instead it just ended up being another action vehicle for Reeves.

 

[Eric Draven]

Something about Constantine's origin they didn't touch on in the movie. Can anyone clarify this for me:

Spoiler

Constantine actually had a twin brother. While they were still in the womb together, it was apparently destiny that this baby would ultimately become the most powerful natural born magic user on the planet. But what happened was that Constantine as an embryo basically ABSORBED his twin and either killed it or made it still-born or something.

Oh man, that whole Golden Boy thing was just one huge mind****. He was supposed to have been the "Perfect" child while John was considered the "Sick" child. If they had to incorporate that there, they probably would've had to include his mother dying at birth and his father resenting Johnny. Which would've gotten John started on the whole magic thing.

You could see how the movie would've been way different if they did that....

 

[Movies205]

SUch is life VileOne, such a movie will come when no one expecting it probably, Hollywood will dump it thinking it'll bomb in one of the dump months and it'll make a **** load of money.

 

[y2jversion1]

In DH, Constantine was more concerned about staying alive rather than resigning himself to the fact that he's going to die and that he wants to reserve a spot in Heaven. If he dies and ends up in hell, he doesn't give a ****.

Actually - he does at the end of DH because Satan & his 2 brothers are fuming to tear John apart for eternity after he screwed them over. He even mentioned how he's gotta be careful because even though he cheated Satan & Co. once, they're going to be on high alert to try and get his soul at the first chance.

 

[Eric Draven]

Actually - he does at the end of DH because Satan & his 2 brothers are fuming to tear John apart for eternity after he screwed them over. He even mentioned how he's gotta be careful because even though he cheated Satan & Co. once, they're going to be on high alert to try and get his soul at the first chance.

He did come up with a better plan to stop that though. And it kind of ****ed over the First even more.

 

[y2jversion1]

Was that in Rake at the gates of Hell?

I was a quarter ways through that one and I forgot it at my friend's house...in Florida (I'm in Toronto)


The movie got me into the graphic novels and after I read all the novels except for 4, there were so many things they could've done with the film to make it a total ass-kicker. Things that bothered/puzzled me in the film:

- Why did they make Chas so damn young, and to make things worse, kill him?
- Why did they just focus on the Christian spiritual plane and not really on Magick/Occultism

I did enjoy the film, but felt they totally underused source material.

 

[TheVileOne]

Was that in Rake at the gates of Hell?

I was a quarter ways through that one and I forgot it at my friend's house...in Florida (I'm in Toronto)


The movie got me into the graphic novels and after I read all the novels except for 4, there were so many things they could've done with the film to make it a total ass-kicker. Things that bothered/puzzled me in the film:

- Why did they make Chas so damn young, and to make things worse, kill him?
- Why did they just focus on the Christian spiritual plane and not really on Magick/Occultism

I did enjoy the film, but felt they totally underused source material.

Once again, big budget Hollywood movie.

What's the majority religion of most Americans that Hollywood wants to have people pay to see the movie?

That's why the movie really isn't sacriligous at all. Even though the filmmakers tried to disguise it and trying to make fanboys think it was.

 

[Eric Draven]

Was that in Rake at the gates of Hell?

I was a quarter ways through that one and I forgot it at my friend's house...in Florida (I'm in Toronto)


The movie got me into the graphic novels and after I read all the novels except for 4, there were so many things they could've done with the film to make it a total ass-kicker. Things that bothered/puzzled me in the film:

- Why did they make Chas so damn young, and to make things worse, kill him?
- Why did they just focus on the Christian spiritual plane and not really on Magick/Occultism

I did enjoy the film, but felt they totally underused source material.

Yeah, I loved the way he screwed over Gabriel as well. And it was all for his own selfish needs


And yeah, I was also annoyed that they replaced the occult surroundings with more of a religious experience in the movie. Constantine didn't even feel like the trickster mage

 

[Movies205]

To be honest the one change I actually liked and you guys might disagree with me, is he actually did some type of magic, I never see him do any kind of cool magic in the book and it was cool to see him use that flame thing and **** like that.

 

[Eric Draven]

Eh, I wasn't a huge fan of that but only because he's primarily a conman. He would rather get by on his reputation or his ability to get out of sticky situations using his brain. So really, he's just the normal guy who happens to have a passing interest in the occult....

 

[y2jversion1]

He did some magic - like at the end with the Red King alchemical symbol on his forearms to bring Gabriel into the light. I wished they had a bit more of that type of magick instead of focusing heavily on Christian influences.

Don't get me wrong, what he did in the movie was pretty cool - I mean heck, after watching it I was inclined to get all the books - but my point was that they could've vastly improved by using more source material.

 

[Movies205]

Eh, I wasn't a huge fan of that but only because he's primarily a conman. He would rather get by on his reputation or his ability to get out of sticky situations using his brain. So really, he's just the normal guy who happens to have a passing interest in the occult....

Yeah I get all of that, but I don't know it's just cool to see a little magic every now and then especially in a movie all about the occult.

 

[Eric Draven]

Yeah I get all of that, but I don't know it's just cool to see a little magic every now and then especially in a movie all about the occult.

He does do a bit of magic. Although nothing like the "INTO THE LIGHT I COMMAND THEE" sort

 

[Movies205]

He does do a bit of magic. Although nothing like the "INTO THE LIGHT I COMMAND THEE" sort

Nah that's gay, but I mean maybe the occasional fire-ball, or osmeting just uber cool and I mean maybe like once in the entire movie, and he just shrugs it off, that'd be cool and very cinematic IMO.

 

[Eric Draven]

He's never done anything like a fire-ball. In fact, he would probably laugh at someone who did that

 

[블라스]

This thread makes me thirsty.

 

[Movies205]

He's never done anything like a fire-ball. In fact, he would probably laugh at someone who did that

You need something for a movie, it's fine in the comics, but you just need that uber cool moment for a movie, the shot that everyone just talking about.

 

[Eric Draven]

I suppose. I could actually maybe be willing to see something like that. But only as a one-time thing maybe

 

[블라스]

Steve Dillon art?

 

[Movies205]

I suppose. I could actually maybe be willing to see something like that. But only as a one-time thing maybe

It'd have to be just once or else it'd ruin it, I mean this character who doesn't do magic the entire movie, and is constantly around it, just once when really no ones around except this evil, and he pulls out this one piece of magic and just doesn't speak of it agian. At just one point in the movie.

 

[Eric Draven]

Steve Dillon art?

He was a collaborator with Ennis for about 20-30 issues. A few of the plot elements from their Hellblazer run actually were the inspiration for Preacher...