Cops Aren't Required to Protect?

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I just want to hear everyone freeback on this article.

On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to police protection, even in the presence of a restraining order.
By a vote of 7-to-2, the Supreme Court ruled that Gonzales has no right to sue her local police department for failing to protect her and her children from her estranged husband.


The post-mortem discussion on Gonzales has been fiery but it has missed an obvious point. If the government won't protect you, then you have to take responsibility for your own self-defense and that of your family. The court's ruling is a sad decision, but one that every victim and/or potential victim of violence must note: calling the police is not enough. You must also be ready to defend yourself.


In 1999, Gonzales obtained a restraining order against her estranged husband Simon, which limited his access to their children. On June 22, 1999, Simon abducted their three daughters. Though the Castle Rock police department disputes some of the details of what happened next, the two sides are in basic agreement: After her daughters' abduction, Gonzales repeatedly phoned the police for assistance. Officers visited the home. Believing Simon to be non-violent and, arguably, in compliance with the limited access granted by the restraining order, the police did nothing.
The next morning, Simon committed "suicide by cop."


He shot a gun repeatedly through a police station window and was killed by returned fire. The murdered bodies of Leslie, 7, Katheryn, 9 and Rebecca, 10 were found in Simon's pickup truck.
In her lawsuit, Gonzales claimed the police violated her 14th Amendment right to due process and sued them for $30 million. She won at the Appeals level.


What were the arguments that won and lost in the Supreme Court?
Winners: local officials fell back upon a rich history of court decisions that found the police to have no constitutional obligation to protect individuals from private individuals. In 1856, the U.S. Supreme Court (South v. Maryland) found that law enforcement officers had no affirmative duty to provide such protection. In 1982 (Bowers v. DeVito), the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit held, "...there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen."
Later court decisions have concurred.


Losers: anti-domestic violence advocates and women's groups, such as the National Association of Women Lawyers, failed to establish that restraining orders were constitutional entitlements. If they had succeeded, the enforcement of such orders would have been guaranteed by due process. Failure to enforce them would have been grounds for a lawsuit against the police, a precedent that local officials feared would flood them with expensive litigation.


Public analysis of Rock v. Gonzales has been largely defined by these two opposing positions.
A third position cries out: Given the court's position that the police are not obliged to protect us, responsible adults need the ability to defend themselves. Thus, no law or policy should impede the access to gun ownership.


Responsible adults — both male and female — have both a right and a need to defend themselves and their families, with lethal force if necessary. If domestic violence advocates had focused on putting a gun in Jessica's hand and training her to use it, then the three Gonzales children might still be alive. After all, Jessica knew where her husband was. Indeed, she informed the police repeatedly of his location.


Of course, the Gonzales case — in and of itself — presents difficulties for the use of armed force by private citizens. Would the same police who believed Simon Gonzales was not dangerous have believed Jessica to be justified in picking up a gun to protect her children from him? Would the police have charged her for use of a weapon? Regardless, these sticky debates would probably be taking place in the presence of three living children and not three dead ones.


Nevertheless, most anti-domestic violence advocates strenuously avoid gun ownership as a possible solution to domestic violence. Instead, they appeal for more police intervention even though the police have no obligation to provide protection.
When groups like the National Organization for Women (NOW) do focus on gun ownership, it is to make such statements as, "Guns and domestic violence make a lethal combination, injuring and killing women every day."
In short, NOW addresses the issue of gun ownership and domestic violence only in order to demand a prohibition on the ability of abusers — always defined as men — to own weapons.


That position may be defensible. But it ignores half of the equation. It ignores the need of potential victims to defend themselves and their families. Anti-domestic violence and women's groups create the impression that guns are always part of the problem and never part of the solution.
The current mainstream of feminism — from which most anti-domestic violence advocates proceed — is an expression of left liberalism. It rejects private solutions based on individual rights in favor of laws aimed at achieving social goals. A responsible individual holding a gun in self-defense does not fit their vision of society.


In the final analysis, such advocates do not trust the judgment of the women they claim to be defending. They do not believe that Jessica Gonzales' three children would have been safer with a mother who was armed and educated in gun use.


The clear message of Gonzales bears repeating because you will not hear it elsewhere. The police have no obligation to protect individuals who, therefore, should defend themselves. The content of state laws does not matter; by Colorado State law, the police are required to "use every reasonable means to enforce a protection order." The Supreme Court has ruled and that's that.


In the wake of Gonzales, every anti-domestic violence advocate should advise victims — male or female — to learn self-defense. They should lobby for the repeal of any law or policy that hinders responsible gun ownership.
The true meaning of being anti-domestic violence means is to help victims out of their victimhood and into a position of power.


Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.
 
This article so F'd up that if I want to post a proper response, it will take me over an hour. Jesus Christ, what planet is this from????
 
if police aren't supposed "to protect and serve" with all due respect what are they on the payroll for?
 
Yea I would love to hear from some police officers from the Hype.
 
Thanks, BHK, now I have even more reason to hate the police. :cmad:

I mean, what the F**K?! A guy willfully takes a woman's children and the police don't do a thing? What kind of f**ked-up, repugnant s**t is that?!
 
Then what they do.. sleep and get their paychecks at the end of the month, jeez
 
My G-d, had someone taken my kids, and I knew where they were located (and the police refused to do anything) you 'bes believe that I would have gone Punisher on the guy's ass.

This is such a sad story...
 
Thanks, BHK, now I have even more reason to hate the police. :cmad:

I mean, what the F**K?! A guy willfully takes a woman's children and the police don't do a thing? What kind of f**ked-up, repugnant s**t is that?!

Don't forget shooting a police window to get shot by cops.
 
Don't forget shooting a police window to get shot by cops.

That I think kinda makes sense--I mean, I don't feel the least bit sorry for someone who gets shot up like Scarface for shooting a police station. Would have been better if they just wounded him, though--would be better for him to be in prison as a child murderer, where most inmates use them as toliet paper.
 
Unfortunately this sounds like a case of a small, backwoods police department that didn't do their job for whatever reason, and then found a loophole in all the laws and statutes when hit with a lawsuit. The state probably helped push this through at the appellate level because hey....$30M is a lot of money to cough up. This is more of a case of an exception rather than the rule, I think, and not worth going Chicken Little over. It's tragic and this woman has gotten absolutely no justice. My heart goes out to her. But it's an isolated case. When these sorts of cases start becoming the norm, then I'll worry.

jag
 
It's funny. If they cops had somehow stopped the man (like they were suppose to) then they would have been rewarded. Yet, when they don't do their job, they still win.
 
Unfortunately this sounds like a case of a small, backwoods police department that didn't do their job for whatever reason, and then found a loophole in all the laws and statutes when hit with a lawsuit. The state probably helped push this through at the appellate level because hey....$30M is a lot of money to cough up. This is more of a case of an exception rather than the rule, I think, and not worth going Chicken Little over. It's tragic and this woman has gotten absolutely no justice. My heart goes out to her. But it's an isolated case. When these sorts of cases start becoming the norm, then I'll worry.

jag

But is it the police job to protect and serve every citizen?
 
But is it the police job to protect and serve every citizen?

It's supposed to be, but these a-holes found a loophole in the Colorado state law backlog that let them get away with not doing anything to help this woman. The scary thing is that this now sets precedent for future actions (or inactions) by police departments in that state. I wouldn't be surprised to see this one get appealed up to the U.S. Supreme Court, though. This is a terrible precedent to have on the books and I can't imagine certain groups letting it stand unchallenged.

jag
 
"suicide by cop" kinda made me laugh. piece of **** could kill his kids easily, put the gun to his own head? dont be crazy....
 
It's the court's fault for that ruling. :o
 
kinda makes me wish he actually shot some of those cops
 
I not defending the police, but i think she was an illegal alien and by law, there is no provision that they don't have to protect her, as an illegal immigrant.

With that said, it is the direction America has been heading since 1986 when the Constitution began to be assaulted, by the World Court and International Law.
 
I not defending the police, but i think she was an illegal alien and by law, there is no provision that they don't have to protect her, as an illegal immigrant.

Then what was the point of her even getting or even being able to get a restraining order?:huh:
 

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