Cops kill Groom.

[Matt]

I don't think they tried to run when the shooting started. Going by the reports and the picture earlier, the car was already crashed into the police van when the cops started firing. Basicly these guys weren't moving and the cops fired anyway.

After going over it today, how a mistake was made does make sense. The officer that was run over fired at the back of the car. A window shatters and the remaining officers, after having the car nearly hit them, assumed they were under attack and returned fire...But not everything is clear yet so who knows who fired when.

Exactly, it seemed like they were cornered and shooting. It was a tragic mistake. Thats all.

 

[Darthphere]

Exactly, it seemed like they were cornered and shooting. It was a tragic mistake. Thats all.

Oh, thats all folks, nothing to see here.

 

[Matt]

Oh, thats all folks, nothing to see here.

Thats about it. I'm sure these men will lose their jobs. They will probably spend their lives as mall security guards (if they are lucky and don't do jail time). But to sit around and call them racists and murderers is just uncalled for. It was a tragic accident, that will affect countless lives, including their own.

 

[jks]

Thats about it. I'm sure these men will lose their jobs. They will probably spend their lives as mall security guards (if they are lucky and don't do jail time). But to sit around and call them racists and murderers is just uncalled for. It was a tragic accident, that will affect countless lives, including their own.

Lol, they're not going to lose their jobs

 

[comicgirl]

This was a terrible accident, the cops probably shot too much but hindsight is 20/20, I have no clue why this is turning into a race issue, I feel bad for white cops (I'm black) ,if it was asian or black cops who did this, it wouldnt be nearly as big, but since they're white race has to come in, I guess its the Sharpton effect...

The Sharpton effect...I like that! How one misguided, misinformed, vain-glorious man can turn an already horrible situation into a racially charged meylay where neither side listens to the another

 

[SoulManX]

Just found this out the groom was nephew to the Miami basketball head coach.

 

[terry78]

Just found this out the groom was nephew to the Miami basketball head coach.

That's not good. It wasn't good before, but now it's gonna be worse.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Again, it seems like an unfortunate set of events on both sides. The cops were undercover (high stress situation), see one of their own get hit by a car. Five open fire. That is an average of ten bullets a piece. Extreme? Yes. But an unfortunate accident. It is certainly not comprable to the beating of Rodney King.

completely agree (and i were on vacation in LA two days after the King riots, saw plenmty of the coverage of that little incident.)

edited: But i dont think its unfair to ask if a car full of white guys would have been shot at in the same extreme fashion. Its unfair to assume it happened cos they were black, just like its unfair to assume the police did nothing whatsoever wrong.

 

[RockSP]

This was a terrible accident, the cops probably shot too much but hindsight is 20/20, I have no clue why this is turning into a race issue, I feel bad for white cops (I'm black) ,if it was asian or black cops who did this, it wouldnt be nearly as big, but since they're white race has to come in, I guess its the Sharpton effect...

Please. Cops target blacks all the time. It doesn't have jack @##$ to do with Sharpton.

 

[jks]

Please. Cops target blacks all the time. It doesn't have jack @##$ to do with Sharpton.

No, people like sharpton make simple minded people think cops target blacks all the time.

 

[SurfDUI]

No, people like sharpton make simple minded people think cops target blacks all the time.

Why do certain police feel other police have no prejudices whatsoever. Protect your brothers in blue-but the citizens come first.

 

[Karea07]

crazy

 

[jks]

Why do certain police feel other police have no prejudices whatsoever. Protect your brothers in blue-but the citizens come first.

No one said that. The point was that people like sharpton make EVERY incident involving a black suspect out to be a racial case.

 

[SurfDUI]

No one said that.

But that's how a large segment of the police force in certain parts of the country feel-not a question a statement of fact. Us against them got Diallo's executors off. Not to mention the hundreds of supporters those 'cops' and ther families had. They let there disdane get the best of them, and that's how sht happens.-not a question mind you, but a statement of fact.

 

[jks]

But that's how a large segment of the police force in certain parts of the country feel-not a question a statement of fact.

LMAO!! Well, you need to learn the definition of fact. All of us are not very fond of others who bring personnal feelings to the job, regardless of it being race, sexist, religious etc... because if you bring those feelings in, it effects your work and makes the rest of us look bad. Yes, we'll defend our own unless something comes out that definitively shows that they had ulterior motives or that they used improper judgement and actions. This hasn't happened in this case, and more than likely wont.

Us against them got Diallo's executors off.

He was shot because of his own idiotic actions. You dont run from police, stop and then quickly reach into your jacket. I guess you believe it's ok to do so. Glad I live in the REAL world. What, are they supposed to wait until being fired upon and one or more officers being shot to defend themselves? No. What he did was an act of aggression. The officers got off because their actions were justified, not that I expect the uneducated to agree.

 

[SurfDUI]

unless something comes out that definitively shows that they had ulterior motives or that they used improper judgement and actions. This hasn't happened in this case, and more than likely wont. He was shot because of his own idiotic actions. You dont run from police, stop and then quickly reach into your jacket. I guess you believe it's ok to do so. [/font]

Have you ever felt certain members of your NY police precinct overstepped there bounds, did a suspect unjust or holds personal biases-that do effect there job on or off duty? We all harbor biases and rear there heads. You know it happens and in regards to public servants that hurts the citizens.

If so they your just turning a blind eye-which is how most of the 'bad ones' continue, if not they your joyusly naieve. No one takes away your benefit of the doubt, but then none of your talk at any lenghth about improper judement.

 

[Locs]

He was shot because of his own idiotic actions. You dont run from police, stop and then quickly reach into your jacket. I guess you believe it's ok to do so. Glad I live in the REAL world. What, are they supposed to wait until being fired upon and one or more officers being shot to defend themselves? No. What he did was an act of aggression. The officers got off because their actions were justified, not that I expect the uneducated to agree.

Talking out your a$$ much? The guy was reaching for his wallet to probably produce identification and the b*tches shot him 42 times. Again, each magazine only holds about 16 rounds and he was completely unarmed. It goes against their training and there's is no way to defend that level of excessive violence. Well unless your name is Bobby-Sue.
I can deal with my share of bat***** but this is too much. Obeying the law is unlawful because some cops murder someone? That's moronic.

 

[jks]

Talking out your a$$ much?

No, talking out of experience and training.

The guy was reaching for his wallet to probably produce identification and the b*tches shot him 42 times.

He was running from them, stopped and quickly reached into his jacket. That is an act of aggressiveness.

Again, each magazine only holds about 16 rounds and he was completely unarmed.

1. If they were using the standard glock 22, the magazine holds 15 rounds. Of course, that is irrelevant. 2. It doesn't matter if he was unarmed, he caused it himself. You simply don't run and then reach into your jacket like that. Following your warped logic, an officer would have been shot before they should be able to defend themseles.

It goes against their training and there's is no way to defend that level of excessive violence.

I can't speak for the training in order to be POST certified in new york, but here in GA, if they recieved the same training, their actions were justified and they followed their training to a T.

Well unless your name is Bobby-Sue.

Ok, so insulting someone helps your argument how, exactly?

I can deal with my share of bat***** but this is too much. Obeying the law is unlawful because some cops murder someone?

They didn't murder anyone. What part of this is confusing to you? He acted aggresively and they defended themselves.

That's moronic.

Yes, people with no clue as to what training police officers recieve, no knowledge of proper procedure and when you are and are not allowed to use lethal force in defending yourself and still commenting on a case IS moronic. I'd refrain if I were you.

 

[Savage]

What I don't like is the excess of shots being fired (in both cases being discussed). Disable but don't kill. If you see a shot did get the person then alright, good job, you got him. The second clip really isn't necessary.

 

[jks]

What I don't like is the excess of shots being fired (in both cases being discussed). Disable but don't kill. If you see a shot did get the person then alright, good job, you got him. The second clip really isn't necessary.

Shooting specifically to wound or disable is strictly prohibited.

 

[Savage]

...Are you serious!? That sucks! So it's either death or not?

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Shooting specifically to wound or disable is strictly prohibited.

then wtf do they have bloody guns for!? To get the guy from stop hurting you, you disable them to the point where they can't. I believe they could have done that without causing death.

And you keep on saying that he acted aggressively. From what was said, it sounded like he didn't have time to do anything at all, none the less act aggressively.

People make mistakes. The dude made a mistake for reaching into his jacket, and the cops made the mistake of killing and ambushing the wrong people they were after (if that was the case).

Both made mistakes, can we AT LEAST make an agreement on that?

 

[RockSP]

No, people like sharpton make simple minded people think cops target blacks all the time.

Yeah that's it. Sharpton invented this ridiculous fictional idea of police brutality.

 

[jks]

Yeah that's it. Sharpton invented this ridiculous fictional idea of police brutality.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10653700&postcount=163

Please read before posting

 

[samurai black]

in my humble opinion, this was a clear case of excessive force. The officers who were involved should be terminated at the very least, there should be a very thorough investigation into the actions leadin up to shooting, i mean why did the undercover cop blow his cover, why did one officer pause to reload? so many questions and the sad thing is that he was about to be someone partner for life.