Costume.

[Saint]

Awww. Poor fanboys! They didn't use the exact costume YOU feel is the one they should have! Get over yourselves people!

I don't know, it sounds like if anyone needs to get over themselves, it's you. People like different things, and this is the forum to discuss them.

Saint, in all seriousness...

Look at a smaller version of this, and maybe look at this on a better monitor.

To the former, I have, and to the latter, I assure you my monitor is fine. I'm a designer; this requires a decent monitor.

There are distinct black and green areas. The green light runs around his chest in the traditional fashion, the black parts of his arms is there. The green doesn't go down and make "briefs", but the basic look is there.

Yes, as I said before, I can see the difference. We're obviously operating with different values as to what is sufficiently distinct, but surely you can understand my problem here. Misty green highlights are a far cry from Green Lantern's design, whether they are misty green highlights in the right places or not.

I'm not a big fan of the organic look, but I would be a lot more receptive to it if it didn't extend to this cloudy colouring of the costume. I would have preferred something visually less on the organic end of science fiction and more on the holographic technology end, but if this organic look at least had sharply defined green and black areas following the pattern of the post-Rebirth design, well, we'd probably be in business. But that's not the case.

And then there's that mask. That would probably look better with some of the highlights the rest of the costume has, in addition to changing it's absurd shape. If not for the raised brow, it would look exactly like face paint.

 

[Doc Samson]

As usual, all of this is much ado about nothing. Anybody who's really deterred from seeing this movie because of the suit didn't plan on seeing it anyway. For everybody else, we'll all be there as long as the actual footage is up to snuff.

I think the suit it fantastic, but even if they went with a traditional cloth costume, you guys would still be upset about....something that isn't comic accurate to the tee. That's just par for the course, but if your honest with yourself, you know full well seeing a straight, traditional representation of the comic GL suit in a live action blockbuster movie would look ridiculous. Utterly.

 

[terry78]

This is the closest comic piece I seen online that looks similar to this costume.

 

[Mr. Earle]

We're just discussing what we like and what we dont man. Relax. Even if we were discussing the comics suit which is set in stone, there would be opposing opinions. I for one hate Hal's comics suit.

 

[Doc Samson]

We're just discussing what we like and what we dont man. Relax. Even if we were discussing the comics suit which is set in stone, there would be opposing opinions. I for one hate Hal's comics suit.

He'y I'm all for that, this is the reason for being here but at some point, it goes beyond actual criticism and becomes nitpicking for the sake of it, and it can get tiresome pretty fast. Having legitimate qualms is welcomed, I for one, love to engage in it, but once we start getting into the "nose" of his mask, isn't that just a bit of a reach? I mean, really?

The most important aspect of any film like this is the characterization, and then the appearance. If they knock it out the park in that regard, I doubt anybody will be heart broken about his nose peeking out from the mask or the shade of green. Then again, I've been wrong about those type of things before....

 

[bunk]

Saint, in all seriousness...

Look at a smaller version of this, and maybe look at this on a better monitor. There are distinct black and green areas. The green light runs around his chest in the traditional fashion, the black parts of his arms is there, because the arms and sides of his body are not lit up at all. The green doesn't go down and make "briefs", but the basic look is there.

I've looked at this thing for long enough I don't know how much of what I'm seeing is actually there, or how much is imagined. Hopefully a second shot will clear things up. At any rate, if the design elements are that subtle you can't tell what you're seeing at first glance, I don't know how successful it is.

 

[Webley]

Awww. Poor fanboys! They didn't use the exact costume YOU feel is the one they should have! Get over yourselves people!

This is from the guy that thinks that unless you are Ron Perlman that any other actors/actresses once thay have played a superhero thay shouldn't play another.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15385637#post15385637

I think you are calling the kettle black sun or should I say "fanboy"

 

[Saint]

That's just par for the course, but if your honest with yourself, you know full well seeing a straight, traditional representation of the comic GL suit in a live action blockbuster movie would look ridiculous. Utterly.

Meaningless. As Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, the Hulk, and and others have demonstrated, it is entirely possible to design a costume that is both faithful and viable in live action, making attempts to belittle faithful costumes by pretending they are inviable more irrelevant with each passing year.

Green Lantern's costume is, in fact, especially well suited for live action, in that it does not have many of the features that typically make such adaptation difficult, it's patterning is fairly straightforward and well suited to a uniform-style outfit, and it's ring-created nature offers an easy out for altering the material and embellishing elements of the design. Really, they were on the right track, they just followed it too far.

 

[JamalYIgle]

who be he? i jsut curious, and would you minf PMing me your design?

It's no big secret.

 

[Saint]

Having legitimate qualms is welcomed, I for one, love to engage in it, but once we start getting into the "nose" of his mask, isn't that just a bit of a reach? I mean, really?

The most important aspect of any film like this is the characterization, and then the appearance. If they knock it out the park in that regard, I doubt anybody will be heart broken about his nose peeking out from the mask or the shade of green. Then again, I've been wrong about those type of things before....

If his mask looks silly, yeah, that sounds like a legitimate qualm to me. I'm going to be looking at the guys face for most of the film. I'd like it to look good.

Furthermore, the "It's the characterization that matters" line is tired and irrelevant. Obviously the characterization is what matters, but this is the costume thread. If there's a problem with the mask, we're going to talk about it. I hardly think that's unreasonable, whether or not people feel more strongly than you think is appropriate.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What would the alternatives to this "organic" look be? A high tech leotard like Routh's or a suit that looks more armoured, say like the ones in the GL animated movie which would tranlate into something like Russell's suit in Sky High. Even if they glowed, they would look like simple materials that just glow.

This feels more high tech and it oozes energy and imho that's much more appropriate for a GL.

 

[Saint]

It's no big secret.

It drive me nuts that they ditched this with the return of Ronnie. It's most damning that they abandoned the revised symbol. The traditional Firestorm symbol looks like crap.

 

[NoirMan82]

so far, i'm not digging the ''organic'' look. i need to see more, though.

 

[Octoberist]

Again, I think the mask should have a point on the nose and look more solid than grease paint.

I'm just interested in how it all looks in motion because this reminds me of when Heath Ledger's first pic as Joker was released. I loved it while people were mixed. Then when we got the trailer, everyone looked pass their qualms, and rejoiced. Samething here.

The suit doesn't look bad, it's just the photo is very dark, the pose is comic book accurate but kinda awkward, and you can't tell what the colors of the suit is really like. Once we can get a clean shot (in natural lighting) of the suit, I shall be still supportive of the design.

 

[sabetoonth]

It's no big secret.

HOLD ON, REWIND! he's an actual comic artist? HERE, on the Hype!?

What would the alternatives to this "organic" look be? A high tech leotard like Routh's or a suit that looks more armoured, say like the ones in the GL animated movie which would tranlate into something like Russell's suit in Sky High. Even if they glowed, they would look like simple materials that just glow.

This feels more high tech and it oozes energy and imho that's much more appropriate for a GL.

agreed

 

[Saint]

What would the alternatives to this "organic" look be? A high tech leotard like Routh's or a suit that looks more armoured, say like the ones in the GL animated movie which would tranlate into something like Russell's suit in Sky High. Even if they glowed, they would look like simple materials that just glow.

This feels more high tech and it oozes energy and imho that's much more appropriate for a GL.

It could be a simple stylistic adjustment with sharper, more angular lines, and better defined patterning. A more holographic/augmented reality approach would maintain the energy look of the suit, but wouldn't look veiny and organic.

Of course, there are also more drastic alternatives.

 

[Octoberist]

yes, he works for DC COMICS. hoyyy!

 

[Doctor Jones]

But the point of the nose and that domino mask in the comics was the same generic domino mask we've seen many times before, and they are Earth made. This should be a departure from that.

This thing is alien and is apart of him. It makes sense for it to be more organic than mechanical. It should be more unrecognizeable. No angular designs of any kind. This is all stuff artists draw. You couldn't really pull off the same look for this on paper and the other way around.

 

[Doc Samson]

If his mask looks silly, yeah, that sounds like a legitimate qualm to me. I'm going to be looking at the guys face for most of the film. I'd like it to look good.

Furthermore, the "It's the characterization that matters" line is tired and irrelevant. Obviously the characterization is what matters, but this is the costume thread. If there's a problem with the mask, we're going to talk about it. I hardly think that's unreasonable, whether or not people feel more strongly than you think is appropriate.

Tired and irrelevant are the perfect words to sum up your feelings on the mask, not to mention some of the other things you've said around here. But that's neither here nor there, the point is, just like you can have your opinion about the costume, I can have my opinion about your opinion, right? And IMO, it's trivial, at best, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[sabetoonth]

yes, he works for DC COMICS. hoyyy!

i find this awesomesauce

 

[Octoberist]

In Geoff Johns' recon, the mask was a product of the ring. Same thing with the mask here. That's why Devin of Chud.com (and to a lesser degree, Russ of slash film, in whom I like a lot) doesn't understand: Hal didn't decide "Hey I'm gonna make a domino mask and get the supplies from a costume store". They both questioned the mask as a concept, when the movie will provide all the answers.

 

[Doc Samson]

Meaningless. As Spider-Man, Iron Man, Superman, the Hulk, and and others have demonstrated, it is entirely possible to design a costume that is both faithful and viable in live action, making attempts to belittle faithful costumes by pretending they are inviable more irrelevant with each passing year.

Green Lantern's costume is, in fact, especially well suited for live action, in that it does not have many of the features that typically make such adaptation difficult, it's patterning is fairly straightforward and well suited to a uniform-style outfit, and it's ring-created nature offers an easy out for altering the material and embellishing elements of the design. Really, they were on the right track, they just followed it too far.

I couldn't disagree more. Spiderman has possibly the best designed costume in the whole genre, Iron Man's suit was probably the main draw for people who didn't have any idea of who Tony Starks was, The Hulk's "costume" if you will, consists of ripped pants, and Superman is impossible to tinker with just from the sheer uproar that would cause. For pete's sake, people had issues with the size of his "S" in Superman Returns, surely you recall that?

GL's costume, for a live action movie would look silly, and that's just my opinion, we can agree to disagree

 

[Octoberist]

Tired and irrelevant is the perfect words to sum up your feelings on the mask, not to mention some of the other things you've said around here. But that's neither here nor there, the point is, just like you can have your opinion about the costume, I can have my opinion about your opinion, right? And IMO, it's trivial, at best, in the grand scheme of things.

As for the domino mask, I would rather have him wear it then not. Then it becomes a Superman problem. If you give Hal a cowl, it completely alters the look of the character.

At least something is there to cover his face, that's how I look at it. And nobody complained about The Comedian from The Watchmen did they? Hell, he had a goatee to boot too, which makes him even more recognizable.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It could be a simple stylistic adjustment with sharper, more angular lines, and better defined patterning. A more holographic/augmented reality approach would maintain the energy look of the suit, but wouldn't look veiny and organic.

Of course, there are also more drastic alternatives.

You mean how some artists draw a GL logo hologram in front of his chest? Its cool but it could be distracting.
Btw i'm not getting the vein vibe. It looks more like his muscles and tendons or rather a glowing computer microchip or whatever these things are called.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I like it, but it needs black in the mid section.